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    Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    I have heard about this 'trainer' on a few other forums but I finally went to you tube & found strangely short clips of his sessions (hmmm wonder if he had something to do with this) but what I could see shocked me & he makes CM not seem so bad after all, it makes one wonder how this guy is still in business!

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    (IMO) - He's a total ******. I wish he would find a new career. I don't like how he "handles" dogs at all.

    ETA - the word I was trying to post really wasn't that bad at all, but, I stand by it. It now is a "mystery word" LOL

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    oh ye who know not the facebook drama lmao...

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Oh, this is the guy from the show "At the End of my Leash"?
    I have been into watching the Dog Whisperer, and now I always look for pet shows because I assume they'll be great. It was just a couple days ago that I watched this guys' show, and the memories of it have been disturbing me.
    He went into a home with a dog scared of strangers, and it eventually peed, and then pooped itself, then he started yelling "Look at yourself, now your sliding around in your own poop, absolutely pathetic"...
    I was confused as to how he keeps it up, it's not a pleasant show to watch at all, and he's rude to the owners he talks with.

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi View Post
    oh ye who know not the facebook drama lmao...
    This needs repeating..
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    See, I can't really find any REAL vids showing REAL examples of his cruelty that everyone's been tallking about, all that's left on you tube that I can find is little snippets not even aminute long.

    Its not that I like seeing abuse or anything, I just want to not be in the dark anymore about this guy since I don't live in Canada where I can watch at the end of my leash.

    See, I can't really find any REAL vids showing REAL examples of his cruelty that everyone's been tallking about, all that's left on you tube that I can find is little snippets not even aminute long.

    Its not that I like seeing abuse or anything, I just want to not be in the dark anymore about this guy since I don't live in Canada where I can watch at the end of my leash.
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    He's done a good job of getting many of the vids removed.
    I've seen vids of him hitting dogs, hanging dogs and basically just being an ahole to the people AND the dogs. His show is actually pretty well edited to remove much of the yanking about. But two episodes come to mind: One he HIT a golden retriever on the face when it went to jump on him and the other he teased a dachshund with a blanket til the dog grabbed it and started growling, then said the dog was aggressive and then smacked the dog to get the blanket away from him (the smack is hidden behind the coffee table..but if you replay the scene you can HEAR it).

    In his new book only a couple of pages in he talks of how using food to train makes dogs food aggressive. He's an undereducated, cocky loser who knows nothing about LEARNING and a lot of how punishment works. It's sad.

    He also threatens to sue anyone who disparages him publicly.
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Ah, I see. I believe that a dog should be repremended for certain exessively rude behaviors (stealing food, jumping on people & such) but I go no further then a stern stare down & a firm no, I have never jerked a dog around by the leash, or ever dreamed of doing any of the things that he does EVER he is a maniac that needs to be stoped & prosecuted for animal cruelty.

    I know nothing of this facebook business either only hearsay. Something about him threatening to sue people who say negitive things about him or something.
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cracker View Post

    He also threatens to sue anyone who disparages him publicly.
    *raises hand*

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Zim- did you get sued or threatened by this guy for speaking out? He technically can't say anything because as a free human you have a right to your opinion!! I would tell him to stick that in his pipe & smoke it.

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

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    Zim- did you get sued or threatened by this guy for speaking out? He technically can't say anything because as a free human you have a right to your opinion!! I would tell him to stick that in his pipe & smoke it.
    no..he cant do anything about it because of the DMCA and a new law that passed not too long ago.

    I'ziz in America. He's a Canuck(sorry canadians..i love you guys and your Tim Horton's and alcohol serving strip clubs but BP is a canuck.). he can whine all he wants.

    search his name on the forum. see what you come up with. i dont want to get into it right now.

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    Ok Zim, will do. No explination needed. I'm born & bred USA as well & though I love my neighbors to the north who were so very hospitible during the olympics, probably one of the most hospitible countries I have ever seen. I also agree that BP is a bleedin' lousy excuse for a trainer. also lol.

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    I also agree that BP is a bleedin' lousy excuse for a human being
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Here are some vids of him still on Youtube:







    There's a reason he doesn't allow filming at his 'sessions' anymore.

    For all that I disagree strongly with CM's methods, I truly believe that Cesar likes dogs and thinks he's doing the right thing. I get none of that from Brad -- it's all negativity and nastiness both towards the owners and the animals. And I think that CM's popularization of 'physical corrections' on TV is what allows Brad to get away with his stuff.
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    I had a conversation with him a while ago through Facebook messaging (weird, I know).

    S.S. June 14 at 10:18pm
    Why are you so afraid of those who train differently from you and those who publicly express their dislike of your methods? Why do you make no mention of the proven principles of classical and operant conditioning when you talk about your methodologies in dog training? Do you have something to hide? If you do, it's going to come out sooner or later. And, as you might have read in the group that you so unfairly got removed from Facebook, I will do everything in my power to direct people towards dog training that is based in science rather than hearsay, dog training that is humane rather than physical, and dog training that emphasizes having a relationship with your dog rather than simply being "alpha" over them.

    Rather than simply delete this message and the many others that I'm sure you get, I wish you'd explain yourself in a public forum rather than hide behind your fame, your bogus law threats, and your deletion of any content that you do not find appealing. It's cowardly, at best, dishonest and dangerous at worst.
    B.P. June 14 at 11:43pm Report
    Thank you Samantha for being the first person to ask me a direct question. I would love to speak with you, but may I ask you a question?
    How can we have a civil conversation when you already call me names?
    If you had any clue of who I am as a person and what I know then it is doubtful you would be so rude.
    Leave your phone number and I will call you. I do not engage in lies or arguements. Come with out an attitude and we will have a civil conversation.

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    S.S. June 15 at 12:15am
    Brad,

    I refuse to give out personal information beyond this for privacy reasons, but I would be more than happy to speak with you here.

    You have to understand that your actions (deleting Facebook groups, YouTube videos, et cetera) are all I have to go by. I did not create the group which called you a "jerk," and can see why you might be offended by such a statement. In fact, I joined that group because it seemed to be the most popular, without any regard as to what it was called.

    Perhaps I should clarify my position: I have no idea who you are as a person, nor do I care, nor will I make any judgements about you personally. If I have done so, I do apologize.

    But, at the same time, from what I've seen of your dog training methods, I am thoroughly unimpressed. I WILL make judgements about your training methods.

    Just as you feel it is rude for people to call you names, I feel it is rude for you to make assumptions about training techniques that differ from your own. You speak so often of people "bribing" their dogs with treats, for example. Well, I consider myself a proficient trainer who does happen to use reward-based methods. I take it personally. For you to basically denounce all "treat-trainers" as permissive and inefficient, you reveal a serious lack of knowledge in that area. You attempt to take away from the accomplishments of people like me, who have used such methods to not only train their dogs, but also help manage their dogs' behavior issues. My dog was a rescue from Georgia who used to flee at the sight of a plastic bag blowing in the wind. She now is titled in two different performance sports and training at a very high level.

    You talk about dogs getting fat, aggressive, and demanding, by using treats. You do not acknowledge that self-control must be taught to dogs who are trained using rewards, nor do you acknowledge that low-fat, tiny food rewards are perfectly acceptable. Sometimes, I even use kibble. Despite my use of treats, my dog is at a low-normal body weight (for the sake of her agility career), is well-behaved, and does not require the use of constant treats now that the behaviors have been reinforced. If you are all about "natural" dog training, why not make use of the natural, symbiotic relationship by which dogs came to humans originally? We provide them food, shelter; they provide us companionship, protection, among many other things.

    I have said before in public forums that I do not have any qualms with correction-based training so long as the trainer understands the science behind the methods and is fair with their corrections. So far, I will honestly say that you have not convinced me that you possess either of these. Perhaps you can explain otherwise to me.

    I can continue highlighting the inaccuracies that I've heard you say regarding reward-based training, among other things, but I'm not sure how far this is going to get me. So, I suppose that all I can say is that my initial questions still stand:

    - Why are you so afraid of those who train differently from you and those who publicly express their dislike of your methods?

    - Why do you make no mention of the proven principles of classical and operant conditioning when you talk about your methodologies in dog training?

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    S.S. July 3 at 3:44pm
    A response would have been nice.
    B.P. July 3 at 5:40pm Report
    Why?
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    S.S. July 3 at 9:49pm
    Why not?
    I think I have screenshots of this around somewhere as well.

    A good dog trainer, even if they DIDN'T want to talk to me, wouldn't have evaded my accusations of knowing nothing about basic learning principles. They would have, at least, told me to shut up and go read certain literature, etc. Instead, this creepster asked me for my phone number. Yeah. Probably to try to get my personal info and slap me with a lawsuit, but I wasn't stupid enough to bite..
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    He's probably the only person in the world I would bite because he'd just yank Wally around like a doll, so I'd have to bite him in his place.

    After all, I'm alpha, right? Alphas protect their pack. :P

    So I'd bite him in junk, then pee on his head to put an exclamation point on my dominance. Then tell Wally "go potty" and hope he sees the hair on BP's head as a nice patch of grass.

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Everytime I see these vids I just want to throw up.
    Do you notice the total silence from the people when he smacks that dog after telling the owner he's annoyed at him/her? And the yelp and the appeasement/stress behaviours of the husky in the back of the shot.

    If I ever saw this in person, he'd have to deal with me..and it would NOT be pretty.

    MM, I think you worded your messages to him very well. He's an inarticulate ahole to not even REPLY to your position and questions. He's afraid because he knows he would be torn to pieces by anyone with any knowledge of training and learning theory, regardless of the methods they use.
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    I'm sure he'll get back to you as soon as he's done reading the Wikipedia entries on operant and classical conditioning.

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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    I'm not holding my breath - that all transpired 6 months ago
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    Re: Brad Pattison... now THIS guy is true abuse!!!

    Well he's a slow reader.

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