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    I'm new to the forum, and about to reach my breaking point. I'm reaching out for help before I give up entirely and try to find a new home for my family's miniature dachshund.

    We (husband, myself, and 2 kids) purchased a miniature dachshund from a hobby breeder in early July of 2007 (born April 26, 2007). We did all the proper house-training with her, and set boundaries for her. She isn't allowed in the bedrooms, because they have carpet and because she's destructive with anything she finds, whether it's a shoe or a heating pad. This is something that, until recently, she didn't have any issues with. She is also successfully and happily crate-trained, and stays in her crate anytime we're not home and at night. We even trained her to stay in her crate with the door open while we eat our meals (we know too many people who have dogs eating off or begging at the table). Additionally, she is not allowed to use the stairs (too many back issues with the breed), so she is restricted to the main floor of our house. And another side note, she's not allowed on the couch (to prevent back issues), and when we all sit down to watch a movie, she'll lay on her bed and destroy it, pulling the stuffing out of it and literally ripping it to shreds. We've now given her a towel to lay on instead of a stuffed bed. (We did previously allow her to be on the couch while we were on the couch -we would pick her up from the floor- but she would jump onto and off the couch at other times, and when she jumps down she slips on the floor, so we cut that out completely.)

    She has had problems with peeing in the house on occasion, usually 1-2 times per week at most, and went for a long period of 1-2 accidents per month. I always remain calm if I find the accident, and give a firm "NO!" if I catch her in the act. There is no way to get her out of the house before she finishes, because she'll run, while peeing, to hide, leaving a trail of urine through the house.

    In the past month, the peeing has become much more frequent, which correlates with a busier schedule that my family has had outside the home. The accidents are never in her crate, and we are never gone for long periods, usually 3 hours at most. The peeing happens when we are home, and are busy around the home. If I'm buzzing around the house cleaning, doing laundry, playing with the kids, she'll pee in the house, even if I just took her outside and watched her pee outside.

    This morning, she went out and peed at 7:30, at 9:00 she peed and pooped, and at 9:30 she peed in the house while I was in the basement doing laundry and my kids were playing upstairs in their bedrooms. She was alone on the main floor for 5 minutes. Since I found the accident, I let her outside, cleaned up the mess, then let her back in. At 10:00, when I walked into my bedroom (on the main floor), she followed me into the bedroom. I said "Out" and she walked out. She stepped into the bedroom again, so I said "Out" again. She walked just out of the bedroom and peed on the hardwood floor. Since I caught her in the act, I loudly said "NO!" and tried to pick her up to get her outside, but she ran, leaving her infamous pee trail, to her bed in the living room. As a side note, when I caught her peeing, she had her tail tucked, just far enough out of the way to avoid being soaked by the urine. We have never hit her or given her any other reason to tuck her tail, so I don't understand where that's coming from. She has also started tucking her tail when we pet her, but I know that none of us have hit her or hurt her, so I am really confused. Her tail wags when you talk to her, but as soon as a hand reaches for her, she tucks her tail.

    She has a clean bill of health from the vet, so I'm not worried that there's an actual medical issue. I am getting frustrated with her peeing in the house, especially since it only occurs when she hasn't gotten her way about something. If this is an issue of her wanting to be someone's lap dog, spoiled constantly, life is about to get even busier here, since I'm now expecting our third child.

    I have been so consistent with her, but I just can't continue to go through this, especially since it's so much more frequent now. The fact remains that we are going to be busy, even busier with a baby, and I cannot give her any more of myself than she has now.

    I want to do what's best for all of us, even if that means finding a new home for her. My husband is much more ready to find a new home for her than I am. I feel guilty, like I've failed, but I also feel guilty for keeping her, knowing I can't give her more time or attention, and that I'm impatient with her now.

    I would appreciate any thoughts or feedback, particularly on her tucking her tail while peeing. Does this mean she knows she's breaking a rule? Can a dog be this obstinate and defiant? I am so ready to give up, I'm just wiped out at this point, and I'm starting to feel resentment toward her, which I really don't want.

    Thank you!
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    Re: Miniature Dachshund Peeing "Out of Spite"

    Quote Originally Posted by chandres View Post
    I'm new to the forum, and about to reach my breaking point. I'm reaching out for help before I give up entirely and try to find a new home for my family's miniature dachshund.

    We (husband, myself, and 2 kids) purchased a miniature dachshund from a hobby breeder in early July of 2007 (born April 26, 2007). We did all the proper house-training with her, and set boundaries for her. She isn't allowed in the bedrooms, because they have carpet and because she's destructive with anything she finds, whether it's a shoe or a heating pad. This is something that, until recently, she didn't have any issues with. She is also successfully and happily crate-trained, and stays in her crate anytime we're not home and at night. We even trained her to stay in her crate with the door open while we eat our meals (we know too many people who have dogs eating off or begging at the table). Additionally, she is not allowed to use the stairs (too many back issues with the breed), so she is restricted to the main floor of our house. And another side note, she's not allowed on the couch (to prevent back issues), and when we all sit down to watch a movie, she'll lay on her bed and destroy it, pulling the stuffing out of it and literally ripping it to shreds. We've now given her a towel to lay on instead of a stuffed bed. (We did previously allow her to be on the couch while we were on the couch -we would pick her up from the floor- but she would jump onto and off the couch at other times, and when she jumps down she slips on the floor, so we cut that out completely.)

    She has had problems with peeing in the house on occasion, usually 1-2 times per week at most, and went for a long period of 1-2 accidents per month. I always remain calm if I find the accident, and give a firm "NO!" if I catch her in the act. There is no way to get her out of the house before she finishes, because she'll run, while peeing, to hide, leaving a trail of urine through the house.

    In the past month, the peeing has become much more frequent, which correlates with a busier schedule that my family has had outside the home. The accidents are never in her crate, and we are never gone for long periods, usually 3 hours at most. The peeing happens when we are home, and are busy around the home. If I'm buzzing around the house cleaning, doing laundry, playing with the kids, she'll pee in the house, even if I just took her outside and watched her pee outside.

    This morning, she went out and peed at 7:30, at 9:00 she peed and pooped, and at 9:30 she peed in the house while I was in the basement doing laundry and my kids were playing upstairs in their bedrooms. She was alone on the main floor for 5 minutes. Since I found the accident, I let her outside, cleaned up the mess, then let her back in. At 10:00, when I walked into my bedroom (on the main floor), she followed me into the bedroom. I said "Out" and she walked out. She stepped into the bedroom again, so I said "Out" again. She walked just out of the bedroom and peed on the hardwood floor. Since I caught her in the act, I loudly said "NO!" and tried to pick her up to get her outside, but she ran, leaving her infamous pee trail, to her bed in the living room. As a side note, when I caught her peeing, she had her tail tucked, just far enough out of the way to avoid being soaked by the urine. We have never hit her or given her any other reason to tuck her tail, so I don't understand where that's coming from. She has also started tucking her tail when we pet her, but I know that none of us have hit her or hurt her, so I am really confused. Her tail wags when you talk to her, but as soon as a hand reaches for her, she tucks her tail.

    She has a clean bill of health from the vet, so I'm not worried that there's an actual medical issue. I am getting frustrated with her peeing in the house, especially since it only occurs when she hasn't gotten her way about something. If this is an issue of her wanting to be someone's lap dog, spoiled constantly, life is about to get even busier here, since I'm now expecting our third child.

    I have been so consistent with her, but I just can't continue to go through this, especially since it's so much more frequent now. The fact remains that we are going to be busy, even busier with a baby, and I cannot give her any more of myself than she has now.

    I want to do what's best for all of us, even if that means finding a new home for her. My husband is much more ready to find a new home for her than I am. I feel guilty, like I've failed, but I also feel guilty for keeping her, knowing I can't give her more time or attention, and that I'm impatient with her now.

    I would appreciate any thoughts or feedback, particularly on her tucking her tail while peeing. Does this mean she knows she's breaking a rule? Can a dog be this obstinate and defiant? I am so ready to give up, I'm just wiped out at this point, and I'm starting to feel resentment toward her, which I really don't want.

    Thank you!
    Chandres
    If you're feeling impatient and resentment, then maybe finding a new home for her would be the best option. It wouldn't surprise me the least if the reason why she's tucking her tail when you reach for her is because she knows you're feeling those things toward her. When she came into your room and you told her "out", and she did, came back in, you told her "out", and she did and immediately peed, she might have been trying to tell you "I need to go PEE"...My papillon usually comes to me when he needs to go out and stares at me. If I ignore him, he'll quietly "woof" at me. If he REALLY needs to go out, he'll literally fling himself into my lap and put his paws on my face. (I got about 30 seconds when he does this... ) Does she indicate she needs to go out, even subtle hints? Sniffing, restlessness, going to the door or even to the general vicinity of the door? Looking at you? Whining?
    When the vet gave her a "clean bill of health", did he do a urinalysis? What is her feeding schedule like? (Do you free feed, or feed her once or twice a day?) How much exercise is she getting?

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    When she needs to go pee, she'll come to me and stare, and if I don't notice, she'll trot in a circle and stare again, or run to the door and run back to me. I would've considered that she needed to pee if she hadn't just peed in the house 30 minutes before that, and also peed and pooped outside 30 minutes before that.

    When she came into the bedroom, she tried to sneak in (she's a very sneaky dog when she wants something she knows she isn't supposed to have), stepping very slowly into the room and trying to get around the bed before I saw her. She wasn't heading for me, as if she was going to tell me she needed to go out.

    She's fed twice a day, in the morning and evening, and I don't leave her water dish out all the time anymore, since I thought that may be causing the issue, especially since she never pees in her crate. She eats like she's never eaten before and it's the last meal she'll ever have, scarfing it down, barely chewing at all, and licks the bowl until there are no more crumbs. She sounds like she's choking! She's at a very good size/weight, though, so I'm not sure if that's another issue altogether.

    She runs around the yard quite a bit with the kids, and we take her for walks on trails near our house (she really enjoys running with my husband while he bikes on the trail). Since it's been so cold (and we've had so much snow, which she hates), she hasn't wanted to spend much time outside. I thought about training her on the treadmill for the colder months. Could her exercising more inside possibly help with her peeing in the house? I'm open for any ideas, because I really want all the issues to work out so we can keep her.

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    I have a mini dachshund, too, and have found them to be stubborn. I know your issues are mostly about the accidents, but, I have some other suggestions, too. Please keep in mind that these are just MY opinions, and I fully acknowledge that you have done a lot for your dog!
    Maybe your dog is feeling frustrated because she used to be allowed on the couch, and now isnt'; and used to have a comfy bed, and now doesn't; and isn't allowed in the bedrooms. Could it be that she doesn't feel like a part of the "pack"? Now, I know your reasons for not having her bed, or having her on the couch and not in the bedrooms, and I understand, and that's fine. But, a couple of the accidents you mentioned where when no one was around (you doing laundry and the kids in the rooms she's not allowed in.) So....here are some suggestions:
    - get some doggy steps so she can be on the couch with the family? My mini dachshund recently learned to use the steps to get up and down from the couch.
    - since dachshunds were badger hunters originally, they love to dig and burrow: gets lots of inexpensive fleece blankets (Walmart or dollar stores) for her to dig in and burrow under. That might cut down on the destructiveness.

    Harper pees all the time when he's bored. If he's left to his own for awhile he will frequently want to go out to pee. But, he also has a clean bill of health from the vet, so it's not a UTI. AND, he can hold it for an awful long time when he's occupied with something! So....maybe your girl is bored.....
    - We got him a toy box, one that he can easily get into, and he loves to go and get whatever he's in the mood to play with. And, we add new toys occasionally so he can find surprises.
    - We put treats, or peanut butter, or cheese in his Kong and let him at it! It keeps him occupied for at least an hour, especially if we freeze it overnight!
    I have heard that bored dogs can be destructive, and in my case, being bored causes Harper to pee all the time, just little dribbles, mostly to get out....it might help to try some new ideas to keep her occupied.
    I also agree that you're dog can sense your frustration, anger, and disappointment.
    Good luck, and as I said in the beginning, these are just my opinions and suggestions and are in no way meant to be critical!

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    DoxieMommy, thank you so much for the suggestions. Some of them we've tried, others I'll be trying. We did have doggy steps, and she would go up the doggy steps, but when she's ready to get off the couch, she leaps off the couch and slips onto the floor (she's a girl on a mission!). It's been about a year since we cut out couch time.

    She absolutely loves to dig in blankets, especially when the kids are sitting under one on the couch and part of it falls to the floor, so I'll go dig out an extra fleece blanket for her to use for burrowing.

    As for toys, we have bought her so many toys over the past couple of years. So far, there's only one brand she can't chew up (she destroyed a kong, chewed it into bits). I can't think of the name of the brand, but it's the blue toy that sometimes has string or rope coming out of it, and we have all the different types of those. Any stuffed toy she MUST kill within five minutes of getting it, two minutes if it squeaks. I'll definitely try rewarding her with a frozen kong while the rest of the family watches a movie, hopefully that'll help with her not destroying her bedding.

    I know she knows that I'm frustrated, so I'm really trying to work on that, it's just so hard since as soon as I don't feel frustrated, she pees, or destroys something, and it starts the cycle over again. I'm working on it, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doxiemommy View Post
    I have a mini dachshund, too, and have found them to be stubborn. I know your issues are mostly about the accidents, but, I have some other suggestions, too. Please keep in mind that these are just MY opinions, and I fully acknowledge that you have done a lot for your dog!
    Maybe your dog is feeling frustrated because she used to be allowed on the couch, and now isnt'; and used to have a comfy bed, and now doesn't; and isn't allowed in the bedrooms. Could it be that she doesn't feel like a part of the "pack"? Now, I know your reasons for not having her bed, or having her on the couch and not in the bedrooms, and I understand, and that's fine. But, a couple of the accidents you mentioned where when no one was around (you doing laundry and the kids in the rooms she's not allowed in.) So....here are some suggestions:
    - get some doggy steps so she can be on the couch with the family? My mini dachshund recently learned to use the steps to get up and down from the couch.
    - since dachshunds were badger hunters originally, they love to dig and burrow: gets lots of inexpensive fleece blankets (Walmart or dollar stores) for her to dig in and burrow under. That might cut down on the destructiveness.

    Harper pees all the time when he's bored. If he's left to his own for awhile he will frequently want to go out to pee. But, he also has a clean bill of health from the vet, so it's not a UTI. AND, he can hold it for an awful long time when he's occupied with something! So....maybe your girl is bored.....
    - We got him a toy box, one that he can easily get into, and he loves to go and get whatever he's in the mood to play with. And, we add new toys occasionally so he can find surprises.
    - We put treats, or peanut butter, or cheese in his Kong and let him at it! It keeps him occupied for at least an hour, especially if we freeze it overnight!
    I have heard that bored dogs can be destructive, and in my case, being bored causes Harper to pee all the time, just little dribbles, mostly to get out....it might help to try some new ideas to keep her occupied.
    I also agree that you're dog can sense your frustration, anger, and disappointment.
    Good luck, and as I said in the beginning, these are just my opinions and suggestions and are in no way meant to be critical!
    They're good suggestions! And the snow the OP mentioned (which her dog hates) could be a contributing factor, provided that this has gotten worse in the past couple of months. I wouldn't be against training her to use a treadmill either, even though it sounds like her weight/activity level is pretty good.
    I'm not a big fan of teaching dogs to "go" in the house, but I know people (mostly customers of mine) who have taught their dogs to use puppy pads, or a litter box, very reliably. It might be something the OP would be interested in looking into. When ya gotta go, ya gotta go, and the same is true for dogs

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    You must change your attitude towards your dog. Remember that dogs urinate to indicate submission.

    The fact that she runs to hide if you discover her urinating tells me she has been punished and is fearful about urinating when you are nearby.

    Here is what I recommend:

    STOP all yelling, saying no, and any and all punishment for mistakes in the house. Own up to the fact that it is your job to have the dog where she needs to be when she needs to go. Stop putting ANY blame on the dog for these mistakes.

    START rewarding her with a tasty food tidbit every time she urinates or defecates outdoors. This means you need to go with her each time she goes out. As she is eliminating, give it a name. "go pee pee" "be quick" "hurry up" whatever, just give it a name, stick with it, and say it each time she is doing it. Stuff the food rewards, and praise her cheerfully when she is done.

    STOP giving her any chance to make a mistake in the house. Tie her leash to your belt. Use baby gates to keep her in the room with you. Get an exercise pen where she can see what is going on but be in a confined area if you can't watch her directly.

    I would also bet she might benefit from more exercise both mental and physical.

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    LazyG, with having kids, and expecting another, I really am not a fan of training her to "go potty" indoors. I'm going to see if training her to use the treadmill will help in her feeling like she's getting some extra time with us, as well as expending some of her energy, especially when it's cold outside. Her accidents have definitely gone up in the past month, so I can't rule out either the temperatures/snow or my family's busy schedule as the reason behind it, or perhaps a combination of the two. I'm hopeful to see some improvement as the treadmill training gets underway!

    Redyre, I do get frustrated with her when she has an accident, but we still play together (tossing a toy across the house or yard, hide and seek -her favorite game-, and just running around with the kids and me). She's happy as long as she's not being touched, despite our never hurting her. She enjoys being held, just not petted... if I sit on the floor, she's in my lap in an instant. I do try to rebound from my feelings of frustration as quickly as possible, but with more accidents comes more frequent frustration. A bad cycle, I know, which is why I came here for advice.

    I never said that I yell at her, I do give a firm "NO" but never yelling. I absolutely know that taking her outside regularly is my responsibility, and I take her outside every 1 to 1 1/2 hrs (unless she stares at me to indicate she needs to go sooner), staying with her the whole time or watching her from the porch, to see that she's finished "going potty" (what we've called it since the day she came home) before she comes in. I've made the mistake in the past, thinking she wanted to sit on my lap, but really just wanted to go potty, and I've been covered in urine. I take full responsibility for not reading her signals correctly at that time, but I won't accept that these accidents are a result of my not being a responsible owner. She is very food-motivated, that's the only way we've trained her to do anything. I can go back to giving treats for going potty, but this doesn't seem to be an issue of her regressing. It almost seems to me as if it's an attempt to get attention from me on days when I'm busy.

    I'm not sure, other than adding the treadmill in winter, how much more activity she could take. She usually flops to the ground after a good bit of running around with the kids or fetching her toys, and alternates running beside my husband on the bike and walking with me for about 2 miles on the trails when the weather is warm enough.

    I didn't realize that her urinating is a sign of submission, thank you for letting me know. I do appreciate the advice, and I'll work on giving her more mental stimulation... she picks up on new tricks very quickly, so that would be something she'd love!

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    People have given great advice and I am glad to see that you are honestly listening to the different ideas and willing to try them; lots of people ask for help on here and then dismiss or argue against every suggestion. Good on you.

    Only a few additional things come to mind- one is that if she destroyed a Kong before, you could try to move up to the black "Extreme Kong" for power chewers (that is, assuming that's not what she managed to destroy)

    Are you cleaning the pee spots with a neutralizer like Nature's Miracle? The less she smells any previous indoor pee spots, the better.

    And last... you say that none of you have hurt her or hit her. Since you don't say how old your children are, is it possible that one of them could have unintentionally played too rough with her? I'm NOT suggesting someone tried to hurt her, but clumsy kids and little dogs makes it all too easy for the dog to get hurt and a few grabs or bumps might be enough to make her wary of being petted.

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    I never said that I yell at her, I do give a firm "NO" but never yelling.
    The thing is, you don't get to decide how harsh any given aversive is-- the dog does. A firm "no" will completely shut down my dog, anything past that turns her into a fearful, retreating, submissive urinating dog. Your dog most likely retreats from you because of that "no"-- it's too much for her.

    Dogs cannot spite, nor can they manipulate. You've taught your dog to be sneaky when she goes in bedrooms, because if she isn't, she gets yelled at. She destroys 'prey' (toys) because that's what dachshunds do.

    I know it's hard to acknowledge that what you're doing may be wrong, but if it's obviously not working, what's the harm in trying what others have told you?

    Big pee parties when she goes outside, tether her to your belt if you have to for a while, and understand that she's just a dog, and can't let herself out when she needs to go. I'd also reccomend having your vet do a urinalysis to make sure it's not her kidneys or a UTI.

    And never, ever restrict water-- again, she decides how much she needs to drink a day, not you.

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    Since I caught her in the act, I loudly said "NO!" and tried to pick her up to get her outside, but she ran, leaving her infamous pee trail, to her bed in the living room. As a side note, when I caught her peeing, she had her tail tucked, just far enough out of the way to avoid being soaked by the urine. We have never hit her or given her any other reason to tuck her tail, so I don't understand where that's coming from. She has also started tucking her tail when we pet her, but I know that none of us have hit her or hurt her, so I am really confused. Her tail wags when you talk to her, but as soon as a hand reaches for her, she tucks her tail.
    What sems like a firm NO may actually be interprted differently by the dog. Tail tucking etc,. are fear reactions. What seems like no reason to YOU may seem like an excellant reason to the dog.

    The fact that this dog pee'd in the house once a week or once a monthy indicates the dog was NEVER HOUSEBROKEN. When a dog only has accidents in the house when they are sick, they are house broken.

    Go back to square one. NEVER leave her alone. Tether her to you if you must. Take her out every 30 muinutes, rewarding heavily for pee and poop outside WITH FOOD and I don't mean biscuits. I mean severl 1/2 dime size bits of hot dog, cheesse, chicken etc. If she starts to go in the house SAY NOTHING and pick her up and take her out. She is tethered to you so it won't be a problem because she cannot run away. Crate her every time you cannot tether her to you or watch her.

    Take her for walks. These dogs are pretty high strung and high energy. Tire her out. Teach her to fetch and throw a ball. Anything that can get her physically tired. Work her with a training program too. Make her THINK. That can tire her out as well.

    A dog that runs when you reach for her has had some negative experience as interpreted by the dog.. yelling (remember, dogs have sensitive ears and what is firm to you may be yelling to the dog).. reaching and grabbbing... grabbing quickly etc. are all things some small dogs will fear. Your dog is AFRAID.

    You had to train this dog to not go on the couch and not go in certain rooms.. and you did that somehow. If it involved aversives (positive punishment such as corrections), then that was the beginning of her fear.

    When you want her to settle on a bed, give her a Kong stuffed with forzen cottage cheese (get about 3 Kongs and put unsweetened yogurt, cottage Cheese, or peanut butter in them and put them in the freezer.. so when you want the dog to settle you give her something to work at.. wash them in the dishwasher and repeat so you always have a forzen one or two).

    When you want her to cease a behavior, give her a replacement behavior to do. reqward heavily for performing the replacement behavior.

    If none of this works or you are not willing to put a lot of time and effort into this, then return the dog to the breeder. Dogs are a large time committment.
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    I had a response all ready to go and it disappeared, so I'll give it another go!

    Shell, my kids are 6 and 4, and I never considered that their unintentional clumsiness could be related, but it makes sense. My 4. y.o. son can at times be like a bull in a china shop, so I'll definitely be watchful of that. Our dog still loves to be carried around and held by the kids, which is reassuring (she loves any opportunity to snuggle). I've never seen an Extreme Kong in any size other than large or XXL, but Amazon proves to be a wonderful site, so I'm going to order a couple of small ones for her! Oh, and we do use a urine neutralizer!

    tsc and Elana, thank you both for your recommending my not using "NO" when she has an accident, as well as the suggestion to play up her going potty outside. I try to "catch" my kids in positive behavior and compliment them, rather than nag over negative behavior, so I'll apply that to our dog and hope to see the same results!

    tsc, as far as restricting water, we did so much internet reading (which can be both good and bad) and kept coming across the suggestion to monitor and regulate when they get water. I put water down for her about once an hour or so (giving her enough that she doesn't empty the bowl), then take her out to potty a little while after that. I'd love feedback on if that's still too much restriction, or if I should put the bowl back down at all times. We were just desperate to find a solution, and since with our kids we realized that no drinks after 7:00=no accidents in bed, we thought it sounded logical to have a similar drink, then pee routine for the dog.

    Elana, housebreaking our dachshund was definitely a struggle. I don't think the breeder had even begun to work with the puppies on housebreaking, and she was 10-11 weeks old when we got her. When we trained her to stay off the couch, anytime we found her on the couch we said "down" and rewarded her when she got down. We did the same with her staying out of the bedroom, rewarding her anytime she went "out" of the room. And she loves her walks! As I mentioned in an earlier post, she goes on the trails with us, alternating walking with me and running next to my husband while he bikes for about 2 miles. And we have a very hilly yard, so she's learned to fall into a hill (even for her short legs, she discovered the shortest distance to the ground is to lean into a hill to rest) when the kids and I have exhausted her by running around and throwing her ball! We're going to work on using the treadmill when it's too cold outside, so it'll be interesting! When you suggested a training program, do you mean an obstacle course of some kind? She's very smart and picks up on tricks quickly, but I've never thought about training her to do anything like that before. Can you elaborate on what you meant? I'm ordering a couple of small Extreme Kongs as I type this, so I'll fill them and freeze them... this'll be her version of popcorn on movie night!

    I am so thankful for all the advice I've gotten from this thread... I was getting overwhelmed and really needed input from other dog owners on how to successfully overcome these issues. I am so excited to put into practice so many of these ideas, and I feel so reassured that there will be positive results. We've had our girl for 2.5 years, and I came here because I needed a way to get to the bottom of the cause of the problems, and I cannot tell you how relieved I am that I have fresh, new ideas to try. I'll update again over the next couple of weeks, and am definitely still open to any ideas! Thank you all!!!

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    By training program I mean just that. Thirty minute down stays, sit, lie down wait, heel with focus on your face (hard for little dogs but not impossible), focus on your face every time you ask for it and for as long as you ask for it and any place you ask for it, rertrieves back to you and sit in front. Return to heel on a hand signal.

    Work on real obedience and consistancy adding duration for both focus and stays. Practicing them every where. Introducing new things.

    All the stuff a really good obedience dog needs to do. Not beause you need to compete and not because you love obedience but because all of this stuff will tax her little brain and get her more in tune with you.

    The first time you send her out and she goes out 50 feet and turns and sits when you say "SIT!" and then comes back to you only to drop into a lie down on a hand signal part way back.. and then comes all the way back and sits in front of you and finishes up in heel position.. all on hand signals.. you will feel great. When she does it any place you go you will be proud. And to teach it you will have given her the greatest gift.. a solid soild bond between the two of you.

    Go to www.clickertraining.com and look for "101 things to do with a box." That can wear a dog out faster than anything once you get them going with a clicker or marker word training (and it is fun and you 6 year old can do some of this too). Thinking is hard work! I know. I have to out-think my dog and 5.5 cats (one is a kitten) all the time and I am tired a LOT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chandres View Post
    LazyG, with having kids, and expecting another, I really am not a fan of training her to "go potty" indoors. I'm going to see if training her to use the treadmill will help in her feeling like she's getting some extra time with us, as well as expending some of her energy, especially when it's cold outside. Her accidents have definitely gone up in the past month, so I can't rule out either the temperatures/snow or my family's busy schedule as the reason behind it, or perhaps a combination of the two. I'm hopeful to see some improvement as the treadmill training gets underway!
    I understand; I am the same way It has been do-able for some posters so I thought I'd throw it out there anyhow! I hope you see improvement working her on the treadmill. She also might be "sensing" some stress from you (even if you don't realize the extra stress is there) with preparing for a new baby. Hopefully the treadmill will help; I would love to have a treadmill for my dogs.
    And I also understand about feeling frustrated with her. I have a german shepherd who went through a horrific time with diarrhea on a nightly basis. Every morning I woke up to a huge mess to deal with. It absolutely frustrated me, and even though it wasn't his fault, it was obvious he knew I was extremely upset at the situation which didn't help. We got him turned around, he's fine now, and I hope the same for your dog too!

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    Elana, I ordered a clicker tonight as well as the kongs, and placed a hold on one of Karen Pryor's books on clicker training at the library. The "Box" article should be interesting to try out, and I know my 6 y.o. daughter will get a kick out of it! I read Pryor's book "Don't Shoot the Dog" several years ago when my sister was working on a zoology degree. My sister ended up doing a summer internship at a sanctuary, where she clicker-trained rescued tigers. I can't believe I haven't tried it with my dog, knowing the results she got working with tigers.

    LazyG, thank you for your encouragement! Frustration seems to be lose/lose with dogs. I can explain to my husband and kids that I'm frustrated about something without them thinking it has anything to do with them, but I can't explain to the dog that it's a bad day, and she's showing me that it's all personal to her. I'm just going to try to be consciously aware of my stress level, and hope that the good days continue!

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    An early update, but we've had no accidents since the day of my original post! We haven't made much progress on the treadmill (she'll jump up onto it, but as soon as the motor makes the hum, she's off, even before the belt moves). I think I'll just have her in the room with me while I walk on the treadmill until she's used to the sound. Any other suggestions for the treadmill?

    And my sister left a clicker at my mom's house, so we've been working on that. One thing that has always bothered me about the way the dog sits is that she never sits on her bottom, she always squats and it looks exactly like she's peeing. With the clicker, we've already changed that to her sitting on her bottom before she gets a click/treat. And that was in the first session! After two short sessions today, she's been asleep on her new fleece blanket bed (which she "adjusts" every time she lays down, moving the folds around until they're just right ) most of the evening!

    The Kongs are on their way, I'll probably get them tomorrow, and I'll stuff them and freeze them in time for movie night!

    Thanks so much for all the help, this week is ending much better than it began!

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    this is very heartening to hear. Many times folks come here and ask for advice and then argue that the suggestions given are N.G. or wrong... etc.

    Keep up the good work!

    I used a leash and limited my dog so she had to walk on the treadmill (could not jump off). I don't use it much tho because the foot bed is just a bit short for her trotting stride to fit on.

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    I'm glad things are looking up! It's so neat to hear your dachshund stories, because Harper is a mini dachshund and has lots of the same habits, like trying to sit, but not sit all the way. We're constantly worried he is peeing! One thing I've noticed is he doesn't like to sit on the laminate floors! Too cold, I guess! But if I move him just a bit over to a rug, he'll do it right!
    And, he has to get his blankies just right, too! He's picky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chandres View Post
    An early update, but we've had no accidents since the day of my original post! We haven't made much progress on the treadmill (she'll jump up onto it, but as soon as the motor makes the hum, she's off, even before the belt moves). I think I'll just have her in the room with me while I walk on the treadmill until she's used to the sound. Any other suggestions for the treadmill?

    And my sister left a clicker at my mom's house, so we've been working on that. One thing that has always bothered me about the way the dog sits is that she never sits on her bottom, she always squats and it looks exactly like she's peeing. With the clicker, we've already changed that to her sitting on her bottom before she gets a click/treat. And that was in the first session! After two short sessions today, she's been asleep on her new fleece blanket bed (which she "adjusts" every time she lays down, moving the folds around until they're just right ) most of the evening!

    The Kongs are on their way, I'll probably get them tomorrow, and I'll stuff them and freeze them in time for movie night!

    Thanks so much for all the help, this week is ending much better than it began!
    Great news!!! Clicker training is amazing in the little teeny tiny things you can train, like sitting on her butt I've known some conformation people who clicker train their show dogs to free stack, perk their ears, hold their tail in the correct position, etc. Keep it up!!!!!
    Have you tried using the clicker for the treadmill? One thing that might help is sound sensitizing with the clicker. I have a little papillon who HATED the teeter when we started agility because it makes a really loud BANG when it hits the ground. For weeks, every time a dog got on the teeter and made it slam onto the ground, I clicked and Tag got a treat. A few weeks of this, whenever the teeter would slam onto the ground, and Tag would look at me for his treat. We've been working on the teeter for a few weeks and the sound doesn't seem to bother him nearly as much. We call it the French Fry machine (when he chooses to go on the teeter and stay there...french fries magically appear for him to eat, lol).
    You could try the same thing with the treadmill. When the treadmill is running, All Good Things Appear. When the treadmill goes off, All Good Things Disappear. This isn't something that will have to be kept up for her whole life, just until she has a changed attitude towards the sound of the treadmill, and you can eventually phase out the clicker and later, the food.
    I'm so happy to hear of all the hard work you're putting into your dog, just makes me happy

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    I have no suggestions, they've pretty much all been covered by the outstanding posts.
    I just wanted to say "click! treat!" for you Chandre for your hard work and willingness to learn to help your dog.
    Good on you, kiddo!
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