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    Has anyone ever spanked their dog?

    When I was little my parents would spank our dogs if they did something to teach them. I have recently gotten a puppy and have started reading alot of training books. Now the books say that spanking does not work but my old dogs seemed to learn just fine with spankings. I have not tried this approach with my puppy because I think I can train without spanking. I do spank my children to correct them, and I kind of feel bad that they get spankings and the dog doesn't. Thats just me though. Dogs are not smart like people are and my children know that I spank out of love not anger. I don't think a dog can understand that. My question is .... I was wondering if anyone else has spanked their dog before and how they felt about it? I'm am not trying to get a debate going here, I just want to see what others are doing for their training. Thank you.
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    I read alot about that too & had parents who would "spank" not hurt, just startle the dog....but he was a big dog which I think makes a difference. I believe their dog learned that if he chewed on a shoe he would get the undesireable outcome of a spank on the butt. I don't think it hurt him, I believe it only was not as pleasant as a belly rub. Now I have at little 6 pound Papillon and I read about how fragile they are. In the beginning when she would make me angry when I knew she knew better I would yell....and it would scare the heck out of her I learned very quickly, so I thought spanking would tramatize her so I never did it. I also stopped yelling to discipline very quickly. Instead, when she did good I made it very very known how happy I was, she she did bad I just looked disappointed or would say "bad" in a low unhappy tone. All in all, I believe my 2nd approach has by far worked very well. She knows when I am happy or unpleased just by simple body language. I believe now when you spank it can in many cases back fire and make the dog scared of you & not understand that it was tied to the undesireable behavior.
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    The question that should be asked is, what does a dog learn from spanking? If you're trying to teach avoidance, or fear, spankings are very effective. Hoewever, effective communication and a cooperative relationship with our dogs depends on learning what is appropriate. If a correction does not begin and end with an appropriate behavior and a positve experience, the correction is futile IMO. So, no I haven't spanked Elsa, although there have been many times when my humanism felt the urge to do so...but at those times I had to walk away and rethink my goal. If I were of the ilk that aversives were acceptable, I probably would have spanked her. Thank goodness I've learned better.
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    I spanked my lab after he dug up a rose bush we had just nursed back to health. It was unnecessary, unproductive and totally uncalled for. That was about six years ago and I still regret it.

    That was a dog that would sulk for four hours if you spoke sternly. There was no reason to spank him and I did it because I was angry. That's the worst possible reason to do anything.
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    I don't spank my dogs, my parents used to spank our old cocker spaniel, and it just made him cower away in fear whenever a hand was raised near him, even if it was just someone turning on the tv, and ran to hide whenever there was yelling, even if it wasn't directed towards him.

    It's much more effective to teach your dog discipline, rather than spank him. And no, they aren't the same thing. Discipline is teaching respect and manners, and trust me, I'd have no respect at all for someone whacking me around whenever they felt the need to do so.
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    I agree. I think it works a lot like it does with children. When we were little we got spanked (not hard) and my parents stopped because (especially as we were getting older) it would only make us angry and we didn't learn anything from it. My sister was the worst! She'd just turn to my mom and say things like "That didn't even hurt! Go ahead and hit I'm not sorry!" And IMO dogs are the same way. They either cower in fear and become very fearful or they get angry and may end up becoming more aggressive...obviously depending on the dog and the kind of 'spanking' that you do.

    I have spanked Bridgette before but as with the others I have ALWAYS regretted it. I didn't hit her hard by any means, but it was done in anger and frustration and it doesn't teach them anything IMO.

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    I grew up with my family spanking dogs, and so naturally, I thought it was ok until I was about 16 or so, and saw better methods of training. Eevee got spanked for over a year (by my family and by me) before I finally grew up and realized, "Hey, this isn't working..."

    I think the damage is done with Eevee, because she still flinches sometimes when I reach to pet her, and she's 7 now. Of course, she was also abused by my family when I wasn't around (kicking her, tying her to tables, etc.) and that doesn't make it any better. >-.-;<

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    We foster quite a few dogs around here and volunteer at the shelter. I see far too many dogs that cower away from a hand raised to pet them. Most have been hit, spanked.

    There are several other methods of training even the most stubborn dogs. Positive reinforcement is all that is needed for some. Others do well with being diverted away from a bad behavior by dropping a set of keys or a soda can with pennies inside. Just drop the object near them and they are startled by the sound. One of our dogs couldn't stand it if we rolled up a section of the newspaper and slapped our hand with it. He had never been hit with it but disliked our demeanor as we rolled the paper I guess.

    The most important thing we have done with each of our dogs is to take them to obedience classes. Some dogs have required more than one time thru. Even though we know how to train our dogs and what to teach them, the weekly class reinforces the skills and forces us to do the homework. The dog ends up becoming a better household companion much quicker because of the structure of a class over 8-10 weeks.
    And lastly, I agree with the statements about fear versus respect. I would much rather have a dog that respects me than fears me.
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    If I was ever tempted to spank or strike Esther, I'd think about the fact that she could rip my arm off if she wanted to, and I should be grateful that she doesn't want to. (I know. She looks so sweet.)

    If she can restrain herself, certainly I can do the same.
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    I can totally see not spanking small dogs or dogs from rescues or shelters, when their past is unknown.

    My two guys were "spanked", when they were young. To be honest, right now I can't even think of what they were spanked for, but it wasn't often, and it was usually for bad behaviours that they knew darn well were not acceptable. Sneaking behind our backs to chew on something that wasn't allowed, shredding toilet paper etc. IMO, spanking in my repetoire is much different than hitting. Like with horses and crops it's the sound of the slap on the bottom that makes more of a difference than actual pain. So my "spanks" were usually well placed hand slaps that made more of a noise than anything.

    It stopped before 6 months. They dont' get spanked now per se, but if they're doing something bad, fighting in the house for example, a small light tap on their haunches is all it takes to get their attention. (Sometimes they get pretty mad at each other and zone out completely, only that physical contact brings them back to earth! LOL)
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    If a dog does something wrong, you should spank the one responsible, YOU!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonE View Post
    If I was ever tempted to spank or strike Esther, I'd think about the fact that she could rip my arm off if she wanted to, and I should be grateful that she doesn't want to. (I know. She looks so sweet.)

    If she can restrain herself, certainly I can do the same.
    oh yeah, thats exactly how I feel. My puppy is only 8 weeks old. I don't want her to return the spanking when she gets full grown. We bought her to protect our family while my husband is at work. (I'm a stay at home mom)I needed to feel more secure since we moved to a bigger city than I grew up in. I figure if she is gonna protect us then I should protect her.
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    In my personal opinion, I'm glad that I did use physical contact to get their attention, (ANY type of physical contact in some situations will work 100% better than verbal. Ex) Calling a dog that's totally into that other dogs pee on the hydrant is NOT going to work. If you went up and tapped them on the behind you automatically PULL them out of that mind state back into "reality") instead of spraying my dogs in the eyes with hot sauce, crating them for 8 hours a day, throwing bags of change to scare them etc.

    The whole idea behind our "spanking", which isn't really what it sounds like. (Hauling off and whacking the dog in the arse) can be explained the best, as my trainer does.

    If your husband/wife, is downstairs really into a book their reading, and you yell down from upstairs, "Honey did you get the mail?", and they don't respond. What do you do? Perhaps yell louder, and louder until you get angry.

    When if you just would've walked down the stairs and tapped her on the shoulder you could've got her attention IMMEDIATELY and you save yourself the high blood pressure from screaming down the stairs.

    When I "spanked" usually it scared my guys, because they were SO into what they were doing. Not because it hurt, not even neccessarily sometimes because they were busted.

    Kind of a like a teenaged boy who gets busted reading some x-rated materials. Being busted is the afterthought immediately, but at first perhaps it's just a "spook" at someone popping out of nowhere.

    Some may not agree with using physical contact to get your dog's complete and full attention, but IMO, it's better than some of the other tactics out there that are used as aversives for some of the "bad" household behaviours dog do.
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    I don't believe in spanking dogs at all, I don't think it gets anything done. I have spanked Nikki before when I was a kid and trying to 'teach' her and I can tell you it did no good and I wish now I hadn't done it.
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    I do spank my animals if you want to call it that. How I do it depends on the animal. However I have a 3 second rule. If you are going to disapline an animal you do it with in 3 seconds of them doing what they are doing and it only last 3 seconds. Beleive me it does work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshellenberger View Post
    If a dog does something wrong, you should spank the one responsible, YOU!!!!
    By saying this you are saying your dog does nothing wrong and that is just not posible. To truely train an animal they must first do something wrong so you can correct them and put them back where they should be. If you gaurd the animal so tightly that it never makes a mistake then it will never truely learn and then when you are not there to guard it and keep if from making that mistake the animal will not know what to do. Then you will really have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nrhareiner View Post
    I do spank my animals if you want to call it that. How I do it depends on the animal. However I have a 3 second rule. If you are going to disapline an animal you do it with in 3 seconds of them doing what they are doing and it only last 3 seconds. Beleive me it does work.

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    By saying this you are saying your dog does nothing wrong and that is just not posible. To truely train an animal they must first do something wrong so you can correct them and put them back where they should be. If you gaurd the animal so tightly that it never makes a mistake then it will never truely learn and then when you are not there to guard it and keep if from making that mistake the animal will not know what to do. Then you will really have a problem.

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    Amen to that. I only spank my dog rarely and has to be something really bad, just a little smack on the bottom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    In my personal opinion, I'm glad that I did use physical contact to get their attention, (ANY type of physical contact in some situations will work 100% better than verbal. Ex) Calling a dog that's totally into that other dogs pee on the hydrant is NOT going to work. If you went up and tapped them on the behind you automatically PULL them out of that mind state back into "reality") instead of spraying my dogs in the eyes with hot sauce, crating them for 8 hours a day, throwing bags of change to scare them etc.

    The whole idea behind our "spanking", which isn't really what it sounds like. (Hauling off and whacking the dog in the arse) can be explained the best, as my trainer does.

    If your husband/wife, is downstairs really into a book their reading, and you yell down from upstairs, "Honey did you get the mail?", and they don't respond. What do you do? Perhaps yell louder, and louder until you get angry.

    When if you just would've walked down the stairs and tapped her on the shoulder you could've got her attention IMMEDIATELY and you save yourself the high blood pressure from screaming down the stairs.

    When I "spanked" usually it scared my guys, because they were SO into what they were doing. Not because it hurt, not even neccessarily sometimes because they were busted.

    Kind of a like a teenaged boy who gets busted reading some x-rated materials. Being busted is the afterthought immediately, but at first perhaps it's just a "spook" at someone popping out of nowhere.

    Some may not agree with using physical contact to get your dog's complete and full attention, but IMO, it's better than some of the other tactics out there that are used as aversives for some of the "bad" household behaviours dog do.
    Ok, I definately see your point. I'm trying to decide whether not to spank my dog. The reason is because I spanked her yesterday morning. I spanked her out of anger and I shouldn't have. I felt so bad; that is why I wrote this post. I agree with what Ron E said too. I guess I'm in the middle of the road still. Now when my husband is home and he calls her to come inside and she runs, he spanks. And then again she is already starting to cower to him.
    The puppy is only 8 weeks old and we both have never trained a puppy before. With our children being so young and the fact she is gonna be big we want to teach her as quickly as possible it is not ok to jump and bite them.
    Both of you made good points and I am going to consider spanking to train again. Last night I had pretty much made up my mind, but with what you said I'm gonna have to rethink it. Thanks for all of your advice. Both of you seem very good with your dogs, even with the diff. training methods.
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    I would not compare a dog's ability to reason with that of children. Unless the dog is committing a heinous crime, aversives are not needed. Can you explain a situation when spanking may be required? I apologize if I missed an example in a previous post.
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    when you angry at the dog, and you spank it, the spank itself doesn't teach them much, it feels your negative energy come out, your state of mind, is what dogs feels, and acts according. if my dog does something wrong, i don't have to spank it to relay a message. i just say the key word, in a certan tone of voice(negative energy, not felt by humans, but very well felt by dogs), and he knows he did wrong, he folds his ears, tail, all 2 inches of it, goes down, and he runs on his bed, and wouldn't leave it, untill he feels my positive energy, or i call him.
    humans know thet spanking is punishment, dogs don't, it's not different to them from playing rough, but they feel us, the way we cant. using human approach to a dog, is a very big mistake.
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    Definitely spanking out of anger is not a good idea. Your most probably going to use WAY too much force, and the anger is definitely going to be seen by your dog, when leaders are calm and confident. Acting out outrageously, and uncontrolably violent is NOT the actions of a leader.

    I'm going to stop using the word spank too, but it implies that you are forcefully disciplining your dog, when my posts are not really about that.

    They're about using physical contact to gain your dogs attention, fully.

    Ex)
    Pepper is chewing on the furniture. You walk up behind her and hand tap her on the meaty part of the haunches. (As in a little wrist action, not a wind up with the whole arm) As soon as she looks back at you, "WRONG!" or "NO!", I particularly use the word "EHT!" (I find "EHT!" is a loud, scary sharp sound that gains their attention immediately) than redirect. "Here Pepper, chew on your bone/toy etc".

    Because "Pepper" was so into chewing on the furniture, the tap on her arse is probably going to startle her. She knows she was busted. Than immediately redirect to something that is acceptable to chew on.

    Now I have fallen into the trap of sometimes getting super angry and yelling, but being calm and firm is the way to get best results. Screaming your head off only frightens the dog more, so much so, that it forgets what it's getting in trouble for.

    Gaining their FULL attention immediately, quickly and WHILE THEY ARE COMMITTING THE BAD BEHAVIOUR, using words that they know mean UNACCEPTABLE behaviour, than redirecting to what they know IS ACCEPTABLE are the steps.

    As it was posted above, dogs work in nanoseconds. Disciplining even 30 seconds after the "crime" is committed is much too late. WHILE THEY ARE COMMITTING THE ACT, or seconds after is your only chance at actually sending them the message about what they did was wrong.

    My guys as I mentioned before don't really get that physical contact anymore, unless they are fighting intensely. (Not anything like drawing blood, but screeching you know how they do).

    Other than that, they have already made the relation between that startling of the wrist slap and the use of the word "EHT!". Much like a dog makes the relation between a command word like "SIT" with your chosen method for luring.

    Dogs learn from physical corrections. Just as a mother nips her pups if they are suckling too hard, or a littermate nips at another for biting too hard.

    It's knowing how and when to administer those corrections and the reward that makes it difficult.

    It's all too often that people "spank" out of anger, too late and don't reward. THAT'S where issues arise.

    If you use a physical correction combined with some type of reward as well as keeping yourself calm and collected, physical corrections can accomplish the goal without behavioural issues arising.
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