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    It's been 4 or 5 months and still little to no progress. Nothing I try seems to work.

    I've posted before about my puppy having trouble learning "no" and "leave it", and his biting issue. I've been training him consistently for months after we got him, and at 6 months later he's still destructive so we can't have him out of the pen or crate to roam around unless he's being played with, we can't have him on the bed or play with him more than a few minutes because he goes right to biting, and, unless there's a treat in hand, he rarely listens to commands he follows almost flawlesdly otherwise.

    For biting, I've been redirecting every day for months, isolating him whenever he bites, the works. Isolation solved nothing, he just returns to the room (or i do) and he latches on. Redirection achieves nothing either, he'll actively avoid the toy to get your hand.

    He only ever chews his toys when he's in his crate, and sometimes not even then. Various textures, kongs ( he doesn't chew them, only licks no matter how they're set up), and the only things he wants to chew are things he shouldn't like cardboard or plastic, or people.

    I've watched hours of videos about stopping the biting and every dog i see already seems "good" and they just have a small nibbling problem. Mine has grown from nipping to full arm in mouth chewing. I don't want him to think its ok (not that he cares) so I can rarely play with him because he goes straight to biting. It's not aggressive biting, I can tell its teething and playing, but I still can't get it to stop. I'm at a loss.

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    Re: It's been 4 or 5 months and still little to no progress. Nothing I try seems to w

    Have you tried not playing with him? Perhaps he's getting too riled up with any play at all. You may have to be supremely boring. When he gets that look in his eye freeze and move very slowly. If teeth touch you he goes into his crate. You might invest in gates or a pen so it's easy to pop him on the other side of a barrier.

    I cannot play slap foot with Bucky, he will start yowling and that's not a good sign. If I'm an idiot and keep it up he will start mouthing me and the last thing I want a biter to do is mouth me. I'm sure your pup has similar behaviors warning that he's getting too excited and is going to start mouthing you.

    I suspect the reason you aren't seeing the same sort of mouthing in the videos is because those trainers stop the mouthing long before pup gets carried away.

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    It might be time to bring in a good, force-free trainer to observe you and help with your technique and timing. Timing especially is really tricky to get down, and I say this as someone with pretty awful timing myself (slowly trying to improve, but it takes a lot of practice). Some dogs are very flexible and forgiving and pick things up even when timing and technique aren't spot on, while others... not so much. and it's the kind of thing that's way easier to teach in-person than through text. I mostly mention it because the "won't listen unless there's a treat in your hand" issue is often a timing/technique thing, where you've accidentally been bribing the dog instead of rewarding.

    You can also try to add in more life rewards and impulse control training. Wait for the dog to sit before you open the door when you're going out (not during a potty emergency ofc), close it as soon as they lift their butt off the ground, and repeat until the dog stays sitting as you open the door. Ask for a sit (or other cued behavior he knows well) before you throw a toy, or let them up on the couch. Play "It's Yer Choice" by teaching the dog they can only get treats if they back away and wait politely (there's lots of great YouTube videos for that one). I know these aren't suggestions specific to the bitey/mouthy play issue you're having, but practicing impulse control in other settings often improves it overall, and life rewards teach the dog that listening to cues gets them what they want even when there's not treats around.

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    Re: It's been 4 or 5 months and still little to no progress. Nothing I try seems to w

    pups at 6 months are still pups just keep it up all pups learn at different rates my milo was a mouthy guy and he is 12 months i am at the point when we play he will bat my hand with an open mouth but won't put my hand in his mouth.
    the best thing you can do is eye contact eye contact eye contact teach the look at me command it works in so many situations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PogCb_mLc

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    Re: It's been 4 or 5 months and still little to no progress. Nothing I try seems to w

    OP,

    Just out of curiosity: which breed is he?

    My suggestion would be not to allow any physical contact between him and you (especially play since it seems to trigger a ''bite''). The only times I would touch the dog in your scenario is

    a) Physically stopping him from biting anything except his/toys
    b) As a reward for good behavior i.e. he could have bit but he chose not to

    In other words: make him work for physical interaction. As the previous poster noted he's still young so fully capable of learning. My guess is he's pushing your buttons like a teenaged human would so consider it to make Rule 1 in training him: My way or no way. What has me worried in this case is that he seems to be trying to dominate you which for safety's sake is an absolute 'no no''.

    It might take awhile but he'll get it in the end if you're consistent about ''punishing'' bad behavior and rewarding good behavior.

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    Re: It's been 4 or 5 months and still little to no progress. Nothing I try seems to w

    What training are you doing?

    Bucky responded brilliantly to Karen Overall's Relaxation Protocol. It teaches dog to be calm on a mat as you introduce increasingly difficult distractions. Since he's a squirrelly thing I was very pleased to see him zoom through the 15 day program with only a couple sticky spots where I needed to quit before finishing the day's routine. Definitely a good addition to the things I already knew about training goofy dogs.

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    Not saying it works with all pups but this is how I got Jack to stop mouthing/nipping at hands.
    Vinegar.
    At playtime I'd rub it over my hands and let it semi-dry. It took around a week but eventually he lost interest in hands and focused on the "better tasting" toys.

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    Re: It's been 4 or 5 months and still little to no progress. Nothing I try seems to w

    Quote Originally Posted by WesselGordon View Post
    OP,

    Just out of curiosity: which breed is he?
    Evidently a mix of Pomeranian, Chihuahua, Australian Cattle Dog and German Shepherd Dog according to their intro post. I'd say that some of the problem is genetically hardwired, and part of it is typical "puppies use their mouths on EVERYTHING". Both ACD and GSD are breeds known to be "mouthy", and a lot of toy breeds can be pretty nippy, as well.

    DaySleeper's advice to involve a good, positive based trainer is an excellent one. These are a couple of places to start looking. http://www.ccpdt.org/ and https://apdt.com/
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    Re: It's been 4 or 5 months and still little to no progress. Nothing I try seems to w

    Thanks, LeoRose.

    That mix definitely sounds like a good recipe for at least mischief every now and then. I agree that genetics and puppyhood might play a role but it's been proven beyond doubt that you can overrule a dog's genetic hardwiring for something such as hunting, and they all grow out of puppyhood...eventually.

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