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    How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    so weve had this Irish Setter Puppy he is 5 months old and all he has learned is SIT and me and my father have tried training ourselves, i have read on how to potty train "play fetch" and i just want him to be a good dog overall we do have him "crate Training" but he just seems to be "too stupid" to learn anything besides sit please please help me i just want a good dog

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    I would say that at five months old you're being a bit hard on your pup. I mean, you should certainly be starting training now and it's not impossible to teach your five month old all manner of tricks, but to expect it to be perfectly housebroken and have an impeccable fetch seems like a bit much.

    What in particular are you trying to train your dog? How are you going about doing it? If you tell us more about what you are currently doing and what you want to accomplish, we will be better able to help you!


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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    There's really no such thing as a stupid puppy, only one who needs proper training in a consistent and kind manner that he can understand.

    I too would like to know more about what you've tried so that maybe some more specific suggestions can be made. Do you have an opportunity to attend classes in your area? If you are able but don't know how to find the right class, I can help you with that.

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    I agree with the above, You are being way to hard on your puppy. Chill take baby steps after all your puppy is a baby.

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    I don't believe there is a "STUPID" puppy. I believe there are methods of training that work better then others. Not all dogs learn the same way, just like not all people learn in the same manner. I would suggest taking it slow, keeping it fun for the puppy and praising the successes. Don't expect perfection from a puppy. Puppy hood is short, enjoy it for what it is.


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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    ok. im trying to train it to "fetch" ive done the treat when he brings it back but he doesnt want to bring it back, OR some times he doesnt want to get the ball and runs back to me expecting the treat.

    on the crate training he still pees in his crate and we dont know when, it seems he sleep thru the night but when we put him in after breakfast and go to work/school he seems to pee then, i come home at lunch and let him out play with him and then we eat, after about an hour n half we go back to work/school then come home again when its over

    honestly i dont know what else to say xD

    we live too far away from a training class or he would be right in the class already
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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    I agree there are no STUPID puppies. Perhaps the manner you and your father are using to train is the problem.

    Have you considered training classes? A different approach may be what this puppy needs.

    As Inga said, puppyhood is short. Enjoy it.


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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    Well, a wise dog trainer once said something to the effect, "if you decide your dog is too stupid to learn then he won't disappoint you"

    Something is not working with the way you are training him, if you're this frustrated. Can you join a dog training class in your neighbourhood? Or is there someone you know with a really well-trained dog that you could ask to watch what you're doing, and give you some advice?

    And remember, he is still a baby. Just like human babies, there is only so much he can learn at certain ages. The important thing to teach him now is that learning new things is FUN. Be gentle with him, and very very patient. Don't give up, practise lots but in short short lessons (5 minutes at a time), and stop the lesson while you and you're pup are still enjoying it so you both look forward to doing it the next time.

    I'm sure if you describe what you're doing, there are lots of great people on this forum who can help you change what you're doing so you have more success.

    I didn't see your second post when I wrote (above).

    ok. im trying to train it to "fetch" ive done the treat when he brings it back but he doesnt want to bring it back, OR some times he doesnt want to get the ball and runs back to me expecting the treat.
    Try breaking it up into smaller lessons. First teach him to "take" the ball, and "give" the ball. Then when he understand those perfectly, try rolling the ball a short way and use those commands.

    For the crate training, he's still kind of young to be perfect. I would wait another month or so before expecting him to be able to go without any accidents.
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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    I haven't trained a lot of dogs to do fetch, but I would honestly abandon that one for now. It's rather complicated because it's not a single command, it's many commands linked together. Start working on single commands like "down," "shake," and "leave it." Fetch isn't even particularly useful, or a mark of a "good dog." It would be low on my priority list.

    As to the housebreaking, have you checked out the sticky in the training forum? It could be helpful. It sounds like you might be leaving your pup unattended for longer than he can handle. Five hours or so is probably about as long as the dog is going to be able to hold it, but you should probably be taking it outside every three hours or so, just to avoid accidents.

    Is the crate the dog is in an appropriate size? It should be fairly small...just big enough for puppy to lie down and turn around in comfortably.


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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

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    ok. im trying to train it to "fetch" ive done the treat when he brings it back but he doesnt want to bring it back, OR some times he doesnt want to get the ball and runs back to me expecting the treat.

    on the crate training he still pees in his crate and we dont know when, it seems he sleep thru the night but when we put him in after breakfast and go to work/school he seems to pee then, i come home at lunch and let him out play with him and then we eat, after about an hour n half we go back to work/school then come home again when its over

    honestly i dont know what else to say xD

    we live too far away from a training class or he would be right in the class already

    Try taking him out again before you leave after meals. I always take Bo out right after breakfast, lunch, and dinner, even if we've just been out before. Puppies usually need to pee and poo after eating. Is the crate too large? It should only be enough for him to turn around in. I have a divider in mine, and Bo pee'd once after only an hour in it- I had left too much room. I moved the divider and haven't had another accident sense.

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    the crate is appropriate size, it may be a bit big for him at the moment

    we could be leaving him in the crate for too long, if i could i would go home but i cannot leave school for that, and my parents are busy with work

    if i could really get him in a training class we would have but we live too far away from one, i DID ask my neighbor though she has 2 really great trained wener dogs that listen to them good, she said she can try to work out a scheduel to help us out with him

    i realize he is just a puppy and we probably are pushing him too hard and expecting too much

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    If the crate is too big at the moment, then it is not the appropriate size

    As far as leaving him in it for too long, I understand you have other things going on in your life. I'm just pinpointing that as a housebreaking issue. If you can't do it exactly right from day one, it's going to take longer to get done. That doesn't reflect badly on your pup at all!

    Sounds like the thing with the neighbor is a good step in the right direction for y'all.


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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    what kind of divider would we have to put into the crate so it fits him better

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    Good advise up above......I too, owned an Irish Setter once....We had a female, and she also was a bit longer to housetrain.....give him time....be consistant.....do read the sticky on the housetraining......I agree, stop the fetching.....Our *Sara* was a bit, how can I say this, airheaded, loved to run, chewed everything, but let me say, at the age of 2, she came a long way and was the best mannered, excellant dog.....She lived just 10 years....

    Good Luck!! :-)

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    The first step in the right direction is to stop thinking of your pup as "STUPID". Irish setters are a bit high strung and take longer to learn sometimes but it doesn't make them stupid dogs. I think you would do well by joining an obedience class to learn how to train a pup and how to train yourself to have patience. More fun in a group.
    A good attitude goes a long way in training a pup, and that's what your pup is...a baby

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    Tehehehe...are you a Minnesotan? I'll take that "stupid" setter...

    btw...setters are not dumb...just high maintanence, rolicking dogs...read their breed standard...I DO believe 'rolicking' attitude is right in there!! They may not be 'easy' to train, but they are not dumb...just very very happy dogs, without a care in the world!!!

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    I am sorry but I never met a " stupid" dog.. Understanding the breeds and how the mind works, always brings out the best in them. Do research on the breed, understand it inside out, upside down and backwards and you will better understand how to train the breed..

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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    this dog is "airheaded" but i was just referring him as "stupid" because our previous Irish Setter...jake was SOOO smart right off the bat he was trained and everything, i guess i was just expecting this dog to be the same exact way

    we live in Texas but the town we live in is quite small and no where close to a major city, closest is Austin 2.5 hours away

    WE DROVE 6 HOURS TO GET THIS DOG i just want him to be like my old dog in the training matter, hes already really enerjetic happy and just fun to be with but hes just not house broken xD
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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krokis View Post
    this dog is "airheaded" but i was just referring him as "stupid" because our previous Irish Setter...jake was SOOO smart right off the bat he was trained and everything, i guess i was just expecting this dog to be the same exact way

    we live in Texas but the town we live in is quite small and no where close to a major city, closest is Austin 2.5 hours away

    WE DROVE 6 HOURS TO GET THIS DOG i just want him to be like my old dog in the training matter, hes already really enerjetic happy and just fun to be with but hes just not house broken xD
    Please understand that just like people every dog is different. Just because they're the same breed does not mean they're going to be exactly alike.

    If he's not housebroken yet maybe his schedule needs to be rethought. If you have a schedule for feeding and bathroom time and stick to that schedule faithfully every day, you increase your chances for success.


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    Re: How do i train a "STUPID" puppy?

    wow. i'm not a certified trainer, but you shouldn't EVER call your puppy/dog "stupid". It all starts with the owner. Look at yourself first and see if you're patient enough and loving enough to train your puppy/dog. If you aren't, maybe you should look in the mirror before calling your puppy/dog "stupid"

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