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    Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    So this morning I took my dog out as usual, expecting him to pee and poop (same as every morning). When he's done, he usually pulls me towards the door to go inside, letting me know he's totally finished. But this morning, he wouldn't pee. He kept pulling me towards the door, like he was done, but I made him stay out longer, cuz I knew he hadn't peed.

    Well, eventually I just gave up, he obviously didn't have to pee, so I took him back inside. (Now, just to give a little background, my dog does have problems w/ the occasional piddle around the house, but its usually just little bits here and there, or a small line on the carpet, like it just came out while he was walking. He hasn't flat out peed inside since I first got him back in October.)

    So I was in the bathroom, with the door open, and Copper likes to sit in the hallway and wait for me. He was out there, playing with a toy, when all of a sudden I hear him peeing. I turn around and he's right there, squatting, taking a piss on the carpet...staring up at me the whole time.

    So, I punished him (I caught him in the act!), and instead of taking him on a car ride as i had planned, he had to stay home alone in his kennel.

    Then, tonight I was sitting on the couch, and he walked over right next to my feet, looked up at me, and squatted and peed again. RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!!

    What is this? Some sort of dominance thing? I don't get it...he always gets punished for using the bathroom inside, so why would he seek me out and do it right in front of me rather than go into another room and try to hide it? I don't get it, and I don't know what to do.

    Like I said, he hasn't just flat out peed in the house in a long time, but he does piddle a lot and I've often wondered what the deal with that was, as well. He still poops inside from time to time, as well, and none of it makes sense because he's good about letting me know when he has to go out...sometimes he just doesn't do it.

    I've had many dogs in my time, and I've NEVER had a dog with bathroom issues like this one.

    (Not sure if breeds make a difference in this sort of behavior, but just in case, he's part chihuahua and part Basenji)
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    This is not a dominance thing. Haha, it makes me laugh to think of him walking up to you to do that. Once time I was playing with my dog and he dropped his toy ,looked right at me and pee'd. He just needs more training. My dog wasn't fully potty trained till after a year! When you catch him in the act what exactly are you doing? Punishing him all day will NOT teach him anything. they have short term memory. The correction should be within 2 seconds of catching them and not to last more than 5 seconds which is how long it would take me to lift him up and take him outside. he might be doing it to seek out attention or that he just hasn't fully connected peeing outside. Is it very cold outside? When i would catch my dog I would make a big to do about it and say outside, outside! while i'm carrying him outside and take him to the yard. even if he has finished i leave him out there while I clean up the mess inside. Don't let him see you clean up the mess. When he does pee outside are you praising him and giving him treats?
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    It's actually quite simple.....from the dogs perspective. He thinks he's supposed to go in the house now...he's done it so many times....but, he's not sure of exactly where...he looks at you and basically says, "Here?"
    He gets punished but, you keep in him in the house...you're not showing him where the right potty area is. Punishment without showing him what is right is meaningless.
    When you catch him in the act, do not let him finish in the house..interupt him with a handclap and a firm "NO"! and hustle him outside. Praise profusely and treat for finishing outside.
    If he still doesn't get the message, you'll have to go back to housetraining 101 by crating him, putting him on a strict food, water and potty schedule with no freedom of the house until the lesson is learned.
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    You say that he doesn't let you know when he has to go out and has never been reliably housetrained as he still poops in the house.

    This dog is not completely housetrained and is still confused about where to go. He doesn't need to TELL you when he has to go. YOU have to put the dog on a set schedule of eating and eliminating so he knows what to EXPECT.

    2 meals per day, pick up the water bowl two hours before bed, crate at night and when you are not home, tether him to you with a leash when you are indoors, and take him outside every two hours to start. Remember to praise and reward for business being done. Also if you haven't cleaned your carpets with an enzyme cleaner from the pet store your dog can smell where you "cleaned up" the messes and will continue to eliminate in the house.

    Punishing a dog serves no purpose. Dogs, unlike people, do not hold grudges/resentment/anger. Next time the dog eliminates in the house slap the back of your hand and say "bad human" (for not watching him) and get out the enzyme cleaner and put your nose down near the floor so you can smell if you got it all when you clean it up.

    Also, before chalking anything up to behavior I would have the vet check his urine for an infection. And be sure your dog is getting plenty of exercise every day, outside the yard for at least 30 minutes, EVERY DAY (did I mention every day and outside the house and yard because those places are no longer physically and mentally stimulating to him?)
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    I've had him since October, and he goes outside pretty routinely.

    I do keep him crated during the day while I'm at work, but on most days he's not crated for more than 6 hours, and any day longer than that, my roommate lets him out when she gets home.

    He never pees in his cage, and I do praise him when he goes outside. He goes out first thing every morning, as soon as I get home, once later in the evening, and then once before bed, every day. There's no reason he should be going indoors.

    And leaving him in the crate today wasn't his punishment, really...I mean, he gets left in the crate whenever I leave. It was just more of an issue of me being pissed at him and not wanting to take him with me.

    I also realize that catching him in the act is crutial, and I don't punish him unless I DO catch him, which has made these past 2 times easy because he's done it right in front of me. I did catch him pooping once last week and he was punished for that, as well.

    As far as getting him to stop mid-pee or mid-poop and running him outside, it's impossible. The time I caught him pooping, he just went right on doing it even after I picked him up to get him off the carpet, and the same is with the peeing. I jump up and yell NO! and he just keeps going. And if I pick him up...well, then I just get pee all over the walls, because he just goes until he's done. I had to clean up a nice trail of it today on TOP of the huge puddle he left, because he peed the entire way to the crate.

    So it's not an issue of not going outside enough, it's something else.

    And he DOES let me know when he needs to go out, he stands at the door and lowers his head and looks at me with this "can we go out now?" look.

    The handful of times he's gone in the house, he hasn't bothered with letting me know, but as a general rule, he does give me hints.

    As far as getting out in the yard, I live in a condo, so that's not much of an option. I do play fetch w/ him inside and get him to run around a lot (he's very small, and our condo has lots of running room) and I do walk him around on his leash outside and take him to parks when it's nice out. When I'm visiting my parents he gets free roam of 2 acres.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    The fact that he is going inside means he has never fully made the connection that he needs to do it outside "All the time". To me a dog that pees right in front of you is saying that he has no clue what he is supposed to do and is looking for you to give him direction.You need to buy one of those cleaners that eliminates the odor or else he will always have a hard time understanding why he cant go inside when his 'scent' is all over the house
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    We expect WAY too much from our dogs.

    We expect that, if we catch them peeing in the house and punish them, that they are suppose to extrapolate and figure out that it's the house part that's bad, not the peeing. Then, if we leave them in the crate instead of taking them for a ride, they are suppose to sit in there and think, "Damn! I'll bet if I had gone OUTSIDE to pee, I'd be riding in the car right now!"

    Our dogs have tremendous natural senses, but they aren't the mental giants that we like to imagine they are.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    Hi, You said that he is a small breed dog. Remember small dog small bladder. How old is this dog? Also some dog's signals are brief and vague. If you do not see him asking to go out aka:sitting by door, they just go. My dog was one of these dog's so I taught him to ring a bell, this way anywhere I am in the house if I hear the bell I know that he has to go out. I am teaching my new puppy this also. Be patient and positive we all know how frustrating this is. Good luck and let us know if he figures it out.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonE View Post
    We expect WAY too much from our dogs.

    Then, if we leave them in the crate instead of taking them for a ride, they are suppose to sit in there and think, "Damn! I'll bet if I had gone OUTSIDE to pee, I'd be riding in the car right now!"

    Our dogs have tremendous natural senses, but they aren't the mental giants that we like to imagine they are.

    I DID mention that leaving him in the crate instead of taking him with me was more because I was pissed than anything. I realize he has no idea that he's missing out on a car ride as a punishment.

    And this morning, I got up to take him outside, and as I was putting on my shoes, he squatted and pooped next to the couch, and as I was yelling at him for that, he walked over and peed by the door. This is not an issue of potty training, I don't care what you say. He has NEVER done this kind of thing before. The only times he's pooped inside have been because I didn't take him out first thing, I got MYSELF ready first, and I've learned my lesson, that he comes first. Back when I first got him, the random peeing was like a war between him and my roommates male dog...they both did it all over the place, but the stopped that a long time ago.

    This is either flat out defiance or....I don't know what it is. But I've had him for several months and this sort of thing has never EVER happened, especially this frequently. This makes three times in a row for the peeing, and one for the pooping.

    I love my dog, and I would never abandon him, but it's days like this that make me understand why some people dump their dogs. I'm SOOOOO frustrated with him!!!
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    OK stop.....

    Dogs do not Pee to piss people off (no pun intended... ok maybe a little)

    they do not use bodily functions as defiance.....

    Your dog does not understand the housebreaking and the fact that he was standing in front of you looking at you probably just means that in his little dog brain he was telling you he had to go out..... if you could be dog psychic you could probably hear in his brain him saying (gotta pee gotta pee, oops peed)....

    its NOT DEFIANCE for the 5th time.... its a puppy that is unclear of the rules.....

    I had the same experience just last week with my six month old.... he had been excellent .... totally housebroken.... and the more secure we get in the fact that we THINK they are housebroken the less we pay attention to those very subtle cues that previously would of had us rushing the puppy outside.....

    You need to take a step backwards and reinforce what he already knows.

    puppies are just that puppies.... I am constantly reminding my puppy people that their 8 mos. old puppy has been alive for 240 total days...... think of all your puppy has learned in 240 days..... shoot it takes most people significantly longer than that to learn to use the toilet...... and be housebroken......

    take a step backwards.... pretend your pup is little again..... or has just come home.... and stop putting human feelings onto your dog....(anthropomophizing) your dog is not human.... they are not scooby doo.... they are not spiteful or defiant..... they are dogs.... who want to please you and the fact that he was looking at you to me only says that he did want to please you..... and you couldn't read the communication.....

    take a step backwards.... calm down..... and get back to work reinforcing the housebreaking.

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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    "This is either flat out defiance or....I don't know what it is. But I've had him for several months and this sort of thing has never EVER happened, especially this frequently. This makes three times in a row for the peeing, and one for the pooping."

    You may want to take your pup to the vet, get some tests run. If you really are convinced that this is completely new, and he has never had this kind of behavior before, a vet check never hurts. Radical changes in behavior can sometimes be attributed to medical conditions.

    Did something happen outside that you can think of that maybe scared away from going outside? Did you ever yell while outside (maybe not at him, at someone else?) and he mistook it for a correction? Sometimes things happen in the dog's mind while we are outside that we don't even think of, but they can affect a dog long after.

    And I 6th the idea that dogs do not pee to make people angry. They pee because they need to go... WHERE they go can only be fully established from consistent reinforcement over the course of months and months. My dog still isn't completely potty trained, and she's 10 months old. She is ALMOST there... but I still have work to do. It's frustrating, it's annoying... but it's all part of owning a puppy.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    One last comment....it's not impossible to make a dog move...even while going potty. You stop him by 'rushing him'...shuffle your feet straight towards him...make him move towards the door to outside. Even if he piddles all the out....that's OK....he's going in the right direction and the right potty area.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    Children often do bad things to get their parents attention, even if it means NEGATIVE attention, because I guess to kids it's better than NO attention.

    So who's to say dogs don't do the same thing? I think it's funny that on here, everyone is so quick to basically say dogs are perfect, and any flaws they have are their owners faults for not training them correctly, taking them outside enough, giving them enough attention, etc.

    I realize nobody's trying to be mean here, or actually "blaming" me for any of Copper's issues, but I just think it's odd that nobody thinks dog's can have attitudes or hold grudges.

    I have a friend who's dog purposely tears something up in the house if she's out later than normal. This, to me, says that the dog is mad for being left alone for too long.

    My point is, maybe I was too harsh with Copper in some other area, or I was too busy and not giving him the attention he wanted, and that maybe he was just actually mad at me and his peeing was his way of saying so. He doesn't chew on my stuff, and he doesn't bite, but he has pottied inside before so he probably figured that was the best way to tick me off, because he's seen me ticked about it before.

    I'm certainly not claiming to be a dog expert, but I've told this story to numerous poeple and every one of them has responded with "He's mad at you about something."

    Not to say you're all wrong...because maybe you aren't. I just think that dogs ARE smarter than some of us give them credit for, and just like a child doing something bad to get attention from a parent, a dog could very well do the same thing.

    So far, no more accidents though...so we'll see how things go.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    I have a friend who's dog purposely tears something up in the house if she's out later than normal. This, to me, says that the dog is mad for being left alone for too long.
    And to me, it says the dog was bored. We agree on the cause, but not on the motivation.

    but he has pottied inside before so he probably figured that was the best way to tick me off, because he's seen me ticked about it before.
    Then wouldn't it follow that the best way to discourage him from pottying in the house would be to show no reaction at all to it, except tp quietly clean it up?

    Certainly dogs do things to get our attention. Mine will stare at me, nudge me with her nose and throw tennis balls at me. Molly will bark at me and I have to make it a point to ignore her until she stops.

    But the idea of revenge or grudges among dogs against humans has largely been dismissed.
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    Just sounds like to me he has backed up a few steps in his training. This is not unknown to happen.

    Try limiting his water if you are having some trouble. No water 2 hours before bed. If he pees before you get your stuff on and get outside, carry him. If that is not possible get the leash on right away put him outside and hook it to the door handle on the inside of the door and close the door until you get your stuff on. Dogs do have to come first in the morning, we can hold our body functions... puppies... not so much.

    If he has had accidents inside the house before get the carpets cleaned well or the smell sometimes comes through and entices the dog to go in those areas again.

    When he is looking at you and peeing it does not mean he was trying to get a reaction out of you. They can tell your emotions by your body signals and tone of voice so of course he will seem to "look" guilty for what he did. Dogs do not have the same complicated emotions as we do(lucky dogs!! ) . They don't understand right from wrong, good or bad. Dogs live in the moment, they are creatures of habit and instinct. Dogs like to chew they can't help if they accidently grabbed your favorite pair of shoes, the rubber was so much like the toys you buy him... he was not punishing you for leaving... he just got bored and did not know what else to do and then suddenly he found your shoe. What if he did not chew up your shoe, but his own favorite toy and had it all torn to peices? Did he do that to get back at you? Its just a habit, no hidden meaning. Even the most well behaved dogs get an incline to chew something every now and then.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    Through the years I have heard this from a few small dog owners, they smelled something urine or poop etc. They check in a corner or under the bed etc and they find a total mess. that may have started anywhere from a week or whatever time. large dog pees etc and you pretty much notice it immediately. A bad habit is sometimes started that you know nothing about. In this case it sounds like it was a complete marking/elimination problem was started between dogs. The replies made that dogs are not spiteful are 100% correct, this is also my opinion after 45 years of dog work. I think that sometimes condo living could be a problem with an occasional owner, possibly stretching the taking dog out schedule. Please, it's not necessary for feedback from all the condo owners. I said a possibility. Just something to toss in the pot to think about.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    The next time he doesn't pee outdoors, when you have taken him out to do so, put him in his kennel; you are giving him the opportunity TO piddle in the house when you give him free run of the house when you don't kennel him even if he hasn't done his business outdoors, and I think he knows it; dogs will go where it's most 'convenient' to them if they find the opportunity...
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    I never heard of a dog "holding a grudge" or doing something "to get negative attention." Children do it but dogs are not that clever or ill willed. They are not that HUMAN.

    However, all that is not solving the problem. You need to go back to square one and start over with the house training. THAT is what will solve the problem.

    Use a crate. NEVER let the dog loose unless you are right there. When you let him out of the crate take him outside IMMEDIATELY.. attach the leash and OUT you go (so bget dressed b4 taking him out) and the minute the dog poos or pees outside, praise him as if he is the most wonderful dog in the world. When he is not in his crate indoors, tie him to you with a leash. Always take him out 15 minutes after a meal or a big drink or 15 minutes of play. IOW's, make sure he has no opportunity to pee or poo inside. If that means on a leash or in a crate all the time he is inside, so be it.

    In addition to this, clean the carpets and use an enzyme cleaner on any spot he has gone to remove that marker. Nature's Miracle is a good one.

    Start over, and do not punish for eliminating indoors.. simply be sure he does not get the chance to and get him right OUT if he does.. no matter how inconvenient that process is.. no matter how aggravated you feel.. and then when he is outside praise him.. regardless of how much you feel like ringing his neck.

    What you have is not a disobedient dog, but a dog that was never truly housebroken. Very simple. Really it is.

    Gosh.. Atka is 13 months old, only made one mistake in the house (other than when she was sick last summer) and knows the words "pee" and "Crap" and what to do when those words are spoken.. and I STILL praise her and reward her with food some of the time. I don't think housebreaking can ever be reinforced too much!
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    I don't care what all of you guys say. We've only had our puppy for a week and she has been awesome to train to go outside. Until today. We had to take my mom back to the airport so Bella (our pup) had to spend 2 1/2 hrs in her crate. This is not the first time going into her crate (she sleeps there and stays in it when we are eating and even when she just wants to get away from the kids for a bit) but it is the first time we have left her alone. We went from one accident yesterday to 4 piddles in the first hour since we got home and I don't know how many since. She is now on her leash playing with her squeaky toy beside me. No one can tell me that she is "just having an accident". She is pissed! (Yes pun was intended!) So to jamiesuzanne as a mom I say go with your gut! If you think something is wrong get professional advice.
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    No one can tell me that she is "just having an accident".
    Nope, it's not an accident. You've had her a week and she's not housebroken.

    But, yes, by all means, get professional advice. Nobody's going to argue with that, but hardly anybody ever does it.
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