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    I know this is an old thread, but my dog is having a very similar issue and no one seems to address it. I know that dog's supposedly don't purposely pee inside out of anger, but I honestly cannot think of another reason because my dog, a golden retriever who is 1 year and 9 months old ONLY pees inside when he's "mad."

    I WILL say that although he was very quick about picking up most of his training, potty training was his worst subject. We followed everything that it says to do, we always praise him when he goes outside, we never punish him when we don't catch him in the act, even when we do catch him in the act his "punishment" consists of saying "no" loudly and then escorting him outside. Normally, he barks at the door when he wants to go out and we don't have any issues.

    Sometimes, however, he goes "mental" and if we are not paying enough attention to him (by his standards), or getting his ball for him when he's purposely put it under the couch/table (and yes, it IS purposely... if we give him a ball and leave for a few hours, he still has it when we get back but if we're there, it's under the couch/coffee table every two seconds and he has a hissy fit until you get it out for him) he'll walk a few feet away from you and then pee on the floor looking right at you. He just did it again tonight and luckily I caught him in the act... though I didn't surprise him enough to make him stop peeing because there's a nice trail from the original pee spot to the top of the stairs. I really don't know how to handle it. We run him everyday (sometimes twice if he's particularly energetic) in the parks by our house (and yes, we mix it up so it's not the same run everyday) because if we don't, he's an a-hole. We never hit or punish him (except the occasional roll him over on his back to show who's dominant, etc. if he's being a jerk). My family has always had dogs and I will admit that this is the first time having one "on my own" (me and my husband), but even my parents (who have trained many dogs) say that he is a very sweet dog but he is stubborn as hell.
    It's so bizarre because we have so many people at the park tell us how well behaved he is off the leash and he's very friendly with everyone: adults, kids, dogs, cats... but this "angry" peeing is driving me nuts! It won't happen for months and then he'll do it 2-3x in one week, then nothing for months again. And it's ALWAYS when he's being a ******bag and we're not giving in (like it says in the training books).
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    I know it's old but hopefully the issue has been taken care of. I believe one of the reasons she had such difficulties is that it was a toy dog. Toy dogs are notoriously more difficult to potty train than "regular" sized dogs.
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    kittywings - What do you bet that if the ball rolls under something when you're not there your dog just gets it himself? Or maybe he just doesn't play with the ball much when he's alone. One thing that's for sure is that he has trained you to get it for him when you are there by making a fuss until you do it. His reward is getting you in on the game and getting some attention (even if you're not happy about it). How about redirecting the dog with another toy and just getting the ball and putting it up when it rolls under something? You might also try waiting him out every time until the antics stop before you get the ball for him, or only playing with that ball in places where it cannot roll under things the dog can't get under himself.

    As for surprising your dog enough to get him to stop peeing, good luck! I know I can't stop usually once I start even if I'm startled. Heck, sometimes when I'm startled it makes me need to go more! LOL Your dog doesn't sound like an "a-hole," "****** bag," or even mad; he actually sounds very intelligent and full of energy. He doesn't need to be rolled on his back and really shouldn't be even when he's "being a jerk" because alpha rolls are dangerous and generally cause more harm than good to a dog's psyche. We humans can't roll a dog the same way a dog can roll a dog so our meaning is lost in translation. I'm sure if you really think about it you don't really want to "dominate" your dog anyway and you shouldn't have to in order to live happily with him.

    To me it sounds like your puppy has simply been granted more freedom than he's ready for. I suggest more crate or puppy proofed room time when you can't watch him, and more supervised play when you can watch him.
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    I guess I could be a little more clear: we used to get the ball for him, but because he puts it under the couch/table every two seconds we stopped doing it until he calms down. If he was able to get it, he would... here's what happens: he's chewing on his ball, he moves to a place where it can easily go under something it either goes under on "it's own" or he PUSHES it under and he starts to cry, then he comes up to us and cries. When we ignore him, he goes back to it and cries more and freaks out trying to get it out from underneath (he goes at it pretty hardcore- you wouldn't think a dog of his size could be that flat to the ground). When this doesn't work, he starts barking this really high pitched sharp bark that makes you have to plug your ears. We still ignore it. Sometimes we'll get the ball and put it away at this point (he never gets the ball at this point because we don't want to reward his brattiness), sometimes he'll calm down after we put it away. Sometimes he goes back to where it was and looks under to make sure it's gone. Even if you get another ball for him (to distract him from the 1st ball under the couch), he'll put that under after 2 seconds and freak out until there are no balls under the couch/table. It's when he's in this "mood" that he'll go onto the carpet, look right at you and pee. This is the only time he'll do it, when he's been throwing some kind of tantrum. Also, I HIGHLY doubt that he just doesn't play with the balls when he's left alone with them... he's OBSESSED with balls. You can take him for a walk with no leash (not that we do) if you have a ball it's like an invisible leash on him.
    Another time he had a tantrum-based "accident" was when my husband and I were in our bedroom with him and he was being a brat (he had just come in from outside), so we put him outside our room and shut the door for about 5-10 minutes so we didn't have to deal with him. Well, it sounded as if someone was trying to knock down the door with a battering ram, but we ignored it then once we didn't hear anything, my husband opened the door and said "WHAT ON EARTH?!!" The dog had peed AND pooed right in front of our door! Two nights later, I was making our bed and he was being a bit of a jerk, trying to get on the bed, etc. and I had to tell him "NO" a few times, he walked into the other room and all of a sudden I smelled something and he had peed and pooed in a different spot, but not TOO far from the other area.

    What I don't get is that he normally barks at the door to go out, or gets our attention and walks in that direction, if he has to go. We can leave him in the house alone for hours and he has no issues, he ONLY goes to the bathroom inside when he's being a brat.

    I just don't understand it... I've followed all potty training recommendations to the letter, but he just doesn't get it. He picked up everything else so quickly! I'm starting to think that he must have us bugged, because any time that we say either to each other or friends/family that he's really mellowing out, etc. he pulls some sort of stunt immediately after it's said!
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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    It sounds to me like he gets stressed out by the whole thing and just can't hold his pee. But that's just me... I don't believe animals do things out of spite - they are innocent creatures and it's not fair to put such terrible human emotions on them as spite, anger, revenge, etc.

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    Re: Dog peeing in front of me (indoors)...on purpose?

    Well, you might think differently if you saw the "crazy" in his eyes!
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    Kittywings, it's been awhile since the last update on this thread... I'm just wondering how it's going... Has the issue subsided? In what ways have you dealt with the issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalva View Post
    OK stop.....

    Dogs do not Pee to piss people off (no pun intended... ok maybe a little)

    they do not use bodily functions as defiance.....

    Your dog does not understand the housebreaking and the fact that he was standing in front of you looking at you probably just means that in his little dog brain he was telling you he had to go out..... if you could be dog psychic you could probably hear in his brain him saying (gotta pee gotta pee, oops peed)....

    its NOT DEFIANCE for the 5th time.... its a puppy that is unclear of the rules.....

    I had the same experience just last week with my six month old.... he had been excellent .... totally housebroken.... and the more secure we get in the fact that we THINK they are housebroken the less we pay attention to those very subtle cues that previously would of had us rushing the puppy outside.....

    You need to take a step backwards and reinforce what he already knows.

    puppies are just that puppies.... I am constantly reminding my puppy people that their 8 mos. old puppy has been alive for 240 total days...... think of all your puppy has learned in 240 days..... shoot it takes most people significantly longer than that to learn to use the toilet...... and be housebroken......

    take a step backwards.... pretend your pup is little again..... or has just come home.... and stop putting human feelings onto your dog....(anthropomophizing) your dog is not human.... they are not scooby doo.... they are not spiteful or defiant..... they are dogs.... who want to please you and the fact that he was looking at you to me only says that he did want to please you..... and you couldn't read the communication.....

    take a step backwards.... calm down..... and get back to work reinforcing the housebreaking.

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    Sorry but your idea that all dogs do not retain the mental capacity to pee or defecate as a way of telling the master he/she is not happy about something is entirely wrong. Many dogs indeed do have more than enough brains to figure out that peeing/defecating will conjure up attention. Your dog may go to the bathroom inside as a way of getting your attention (although a very negative way of going about it) because he/she is upset about something or if they feel as though they have been mistreated in some way. I have a pure bread beagle. She is extremely smart for a beagle and picks up on social cues, words, phrases ect. She can even sense when my wife or I do not feel good. My wife has RA and when she gets a flare up Phoebe will smell the exact spot where the flare up is and proceeds to comfort my wife. She knows when I am mad, happy, tired, lazy ect. I am not saying this because I am some proud dog owner my dog is incredibly smart and intuitive. From birth to the present she has never peed or pooped in her crate. She peed a few times in the house the first couple of weeks we got her at six weeks. That's it! After about five months I could Phoebe was not the typical dog in terms of intelligence. I might add I grew up with many dogs ever since I was a baby. I have always had a dog... Anyway I was so convinced that Phoebe had above average intelligence when she came running to my office and grasped my long sleeve shirt. I was confused at first but I understood quickly that she wanted me to follow her and so I did. She lead me in a hurry to the sun porch. My wife was laying on the couch and looked as if she were sleeping. However I knew Phoebe wouldn't have brought me outside for nothing, my wife takes naps out on the porch all the time. So I tried to wake my wife but she wouldn't wake up. I of course called 911 immediately; I found out later that day that she had a grand mal seizure. She had never had these before. My dog is not trained in spotting seizures or anything else. However she is very much in tune with her masters. As we are with her. Back to my main point here, sorry for going on and on... Phoebe after about a year when I opened up my business down town (prior place of business was out of our house) would start peeing right in front of me. She would never go all out and empty her bladder but just a little puddle right in front of me no matter where I was in the house. She would only do this when I had to leave her in the crate for around six hours while I was at work. My wife also works and is not at home during the day. So she started doing this about 3 days into me working most the day. I could tell she was upset at me even before she would pee in front of me. She had a very distinct glare, sort of a sad but upset puppy stare. She acts very differently when she feels like shes been abandoned for most the day. To her it must seem like an eternity. I mind you she had never had to stay in her crate for more than an hour or two before. So staying in her crate with no one around for six hours was rough on her at first. So her only way of telling me she was unhappy other than the glare and growling was to pee in front of me and then run away with her tail between her legs. SO she knows full well that this was unacceptable, that it was wrong! It was without a doubt 100% on purpose and because she was upset about having to spend to her what must seem like an unusually long period of time in the crate while I worked. After about a week she stopped doing this and I'll tell you why. Every time after I got home she would do this for about a week and every-time I would spank her on the bottom. Not hard enough to hurt her but only to let her know that peeing on the floor would illicit an not so enjoyable paddling of the butt. After about 5-7 days she stopped entirely. Nothing else was changed and no others methods of dealing with this issue was used. It's rather simple; The bottom line is YES that some dogs do retain without a doubt the intellect to use the bathroom indoors on purpose as a form of defiance. Don't let people such as the one quoted above tell you otherwise. To think your dog stupid is to do him/her an injustice and I'll tell you why; If you chalk these incidents up to nothing more than your dog not understanding where the bathroom is especially after already being potty trained and furthermore having a relatively good record of not using the bathroom inside then you may miss the fact that your dog is quite upset with something he/she believes you've done to them. If you miss this fact then you won't be able to properly deal with the situation but your also not communicating with your dog as you should be. Instead you'll be pointing out the fact that the master is a slow learner and just doesn't quite catch on. This will only serve to further the bad behavior. You need to acknowledge your dog but be firm with him/her. If you don't want to use a physical means to show your dog that what they are doing will not be tolerated then you'll have to find another way that works. I should mention that a paddle on the behind is not abuse in any way. Don't let people tell you otherwise... You need to show your pet who owns the house. Is it your pet or you? This doesn't mean you should take what they do personally... that would be ridiculous considering they are after all not nearly as smart as you, or so I should hope not =-) You want to have enough respect for your pet and show him/her you understand that they are unhappy and sometimes yes ticked off but that they need to show you this in some other way than peeing or pooping inside. Phoebe now shows me when she is upset by growling at me instead. Not in a menacing way but in a way that show's me shes upset or that something is wrong. I acknowledge her and then let her show me what she wants. Sometimes its just playing, food, or a walk that she wants. Again I just want to point out that treating your pets (especially dogs) as though they have a pea size brain is not a good way to win your pets affection; It will only serve to enlarge the communication gap between the two of you. Not to mention its a little insulting to your pet =-)
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    That was an impressive block of text in response to someone who hasn't been on the forum for four years.

    Next time, try a little white space so we can actually read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonE View Post
    That was an impressive block of text in response to someone who hasn't been on the forum for four years.

    Next time, try a little white space so we can actually read it.
    That impressive block of text was intended for everyone, not just the person I replied to. A forum is meant for all to see and comment on. I see you've learned well the comment part... Anything more enlightening to share?
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    After fostering several puppies and adopting my last foster puppy, I firmly believe that housebroken dogs can purposely pee or poo in the house out of SPITE.

    I have had my current dog for several months. He has been very obedient and completely housebroken; he had never peed or pooped in the house until today, and I believe 100% that it is out of spite. My dog is a picky eater. I usually cook for him, and he lovesss his homemade dog food. However, today, I ran out of homemade dog food, did not have time to make some, and gave him some commercial kibble instead. He gave me a dirty look and refused to eat for a while. When he finally ate some, he was so upset that he deliberately went upstairs to look for me in the living room and peed right in front of me, right in the middle of the living room. SPITE is the only explanation for this behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puppy123 View Post
    After fostering several puppies and adopting my last foster puppy, I firmly believe that housebroken dogs can purposely pee or poo in the house out of SPITE.

    I have had my current dog for several months. He has been very obedient and completely housebroken; he had never peed or pooped in the house until today, and I believe 100% that it is out of spite. My dog is a picky eater. I usually cook for him, and he lovesss his homemade dog food. However, today, I ran out of homemade dog food, did not have time to make some, and gave him some commercial kibble instead. He gave me a dirty look and refused to eat for a while. When he finally ate some, he was so upset that he deliberately went upstairs to look for me in the living room and peed right in front of me, right in the middle of the living room. SPITE is the only explanation for this behavior.
    Sounds like one little intelligent but sassy pup=-) I know it can be annoying at first but because we have such bright dogs we'll have to teach them appropriately that this behavior is not ok. I do believe in your case this was indeed spite. However I just wanted to make sure we all know how to differentiate between spite and the possibility of a bladder or fecal medical problem as well. I just don't want any sick pups getting punished for being sick. As I said before though it does sound like he was a little PO'ed. I would suggest to either make sure you don't run out of the homemade goodness again or to train the beast that he/she won't ALWAYS have his/her way. This is what I've done when Phoebe was acting out as I mentioned in my previous post. I did not reward her with giving her what she wanted (which is why she was acting out) I would take w/e it was she wanted away and put her in a crate for a half hour (just long enough for her to get the point and to figure out that acting out would lead to nowhere but her crate lol =-) However their are many other techniques that work well and can be found on this forum or basically all over the internet. Hope this helps, peace man
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielwhite0 View Post
    That impressive block of text was intended for everyone, not just the person I replied to. A forum is meant for all to see and comment on. I see you've learned well the comment part... Anything more enlightening to share?
    That "everyone." is going to be no one, because no one can read it.

    Why not just start your own thread insted of digging up a post that is from 2008? Now people are going to have to dig through several old irrelivant pages to get to any thing new.
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    Dogs can not spite.
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    That "everyone." is going to be no one, because no one can read it.

    Why not just start your own thread insted of digging up a post that is from 2008? Now people are going to have to dig through several old irrelivant pages to get to any thing new.

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