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    Angry My dog won't stop peeing in his crate!!

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    My 11 week old pup was doing great in in his crate for awhile, but a couple weeks ago he started regularly peeing in his crate. He usually wont poo in it, but I can EXPECT there to be pee in his crate every morning, when I come home for lunch, and when I get back from work! I take him out regularly, restrict his water, his crate is the right size, I feed him in his crate sometimes, I have tried EVERYTHING! What else can I do?? This morning I decided to leave his soiled towel in with him in hopes that he will learn why he shouldn't potty in his crate. I feel bad for doing it though, I mean who really wants to lay in their own urine? But I think he has learned that he can pee in it all he wants and then he'll get a brand new fresh towel. So any ideas? It is really starting to make me mad! I have to do a load of puppy laundry every other day and all my towels are now unusuable! I only have 1 people towel now!!
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    I certainly can understand your frustration! The only suggestions I can make it to make sure your dog is exercised enough. Tire him out before you go to work. Also, how big is the crate he is in?
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    Leaving the soiled towel in there may only cause him to soil more just from smelling it. >^^;< How long is your pup left in the crate when this happens? An 11-week-old pup can technically only hold it for about 3-4 hours. The general rule for holding it is the pup's age in months plus 1.
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    I wish you'd get an ex pen instead of expecting him to potty train in a crate at 11 weeks old. See some of my other rants... He will most likely start, around 4 months of age, to wait a bit... that's the more natural time than 11 weeks...
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    The crate is huge but I have sectioned off a part of it just big enough for him to lie down and turn around. He stays in it for 4 hours at a time while I am at work. At night, he used to sleep through the night, I would put him in about 1 A.m. and get him out at about 7:30-8 and he would never have potty in there, but now there is potty in there all the time! I know he is capable of holding it at night, cause he did it for awhile before. He gets plenty of excercise while out of his crate. I have two other dogs and a very large yard, so they all run around and play like crazy! I just don't know what to do anymore. I feel like he is getting used to sitting in his own pee and I don't want this to become a permanent thing.
    Also I was wondering, the crate I am using for him is one of those metal ones so he can see out in any direction. Do you think it would be better to use one of the plastic ones so he doesn't feel so out in the open. I just think the plastic one, since its more enclosed might actually make it feel like more of a den for him right now.
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    BlackGavotte - Waiting to train your pup until it is 4 months old just confuses them! I would never leave paper or puppy pads down for my pup cause it tells him its ok to go in the house. That, to me, is wrong! So I will continue my crate training and suffer through the frustrations cause its only temporary this way. Teaching him that it is ok to go in the house can have permanent effects on the dog and he may never grasp the concept that going outside is where he has to go after he is 4 months old. I'm glad that your technique has worked for you, but for a lot of dogs it doesn't and crating is the best way to housebreak them. I just don't want to risk the headache of having a dog that pees on every piece of paper I happen to leave on the ground years from now.
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    There's nothing wrong with crate training a dog at 11 weeks. My corgi started his crate training at around 8 weeks old - before I even got him. The trick is letting the pup out to potty frequently enough for that individual puppy.

    Also, if he was doing great but then suddenly started having frequent accidents, he could possibly have a UTI, and you might want to take him in for a checkup.
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    Well, all I can say is, if you think your method is working, how come this poor kid is dirty in his crate? And getting worse... Keeping an open mind about this is important, ignorance is not bliss when it comes to having to clean up a dirty dog. Making a smaller space within a small space is not the way to treat this puppy...And at the risk of sounding self righteous, I have had not just a few dogs over manymany years and have never raised a dirty dog, either in a crate or in the house, and my dogs never, ever, squirted on pieces of paper in the house just because they were there. Your puppy is already totally confused now, and frustrated and is now desensitizing himself to using the crate.... Good Luck !!!
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    Another few thoughts...You say this puppy is now 11 weeks old, and having issues now. When puppies or people for that matter are forced to hold urine inside their bladder, which your little guy apparently did from - what - 8 weeks on? , they can get a form of cystitis called retention cystitis. Its because the urine is supposed to be gotten out of the bladder but when it is not released, the bladder and urethra can become inflamed. Nature did not, ever, intend, that baby dogs be kept in plastic boxes and forced to hold in urine and bowel material until their human owners got around to letting them out of these plastic boxes. Some manage to be able to do it, in spite of our ignorance...Urine and feces are waste products and are not meant to be held inside the body for too long...Your puppy may have simply decided after weeks of being uncomfortable day after day that he can not, or will not, hold anymore. Certainly having him checked by a vet is always a good thing, but not every puppy can or should hold as long as the current " wisdom " says they should. Its one more WRONG thing that people want to believe, because it fits in better with our human schedules...This is the sort of ignorance that riles me no end... and I will continue to speak out about this forever. Yes, of course, some puppies do manage to get through this cruel stage in their lives better than some others, that still does not make it right....
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    And I did suggest taking the puppy out for potty more often, and to take it to the vet. Crate training is not "cruel" if it's done correctly, and this means preventing accidents in the crate by letting the pup out a lot more often. It also means not letting the pup sit in there if it's had an accident. This particular puppy cannot hold it for the time the "general rule" states, and that is fine. He'll just need out to potty a lot more often. A ton of people have successfully crate-trained puppies the proper way, without a single accident inside, and without any discomfort to the puppy.

    Anyway, something that might make the crate more den-like is covering it with a thin, breathable blanket.

    Do you take him potty after everything before putting him in the crate? After drinking, after eating, after playing, after sleeping, even after he's been out for a while without pottying. Do you stop giving food and water late at night?
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    One last thought, then I will butt out of this thread. Cheetah, I agree that crate training is not cruel when done properly. However, most people do not do it properly. They use the crate for potty training very young puppies, which is not the reason crates originally were used at all. People are keeping puppies in them far too much and too long. Corgankidd, you and I seem to be at odds in this regard, but why not at least file away what I have said, and try a different method before you really lose your patience, all your towels, and your joy in your puppy? No one method works for all puppies, there are other ways of thining at least. Enough said by this person, on this thread...
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    I do agree, the puppy is most likely being left in the crate for too long, and I also agree that many people do it wrong. >-.-<
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    Yes I take him out after everything! He is trained to us the bell on the door so he lets me know when he needs to go out as well. I cut off his water after 8 p.m. He is doing a little better now. He still is having accidents in his crate, but its not everytime now. I have a question about his brother that my friend has though....He is also peeing in his crate every once in awhile but he licks it up as soon as he pees. Its really gross. He licks up his pee outside too, its not just in the crate. How do you stop a dog from doing that? I know they have something you can put in their food to make them not eat their poo, but what about pee?
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    He is not being left too long in his crate. I leave him in for 4 hours at a time. He is in his crate for 8 hours a day then once I get home for work he is out of his crate the entire day until around 1 a.m. when I go to bed. So no, I am not misusing the crate, I am not confining him in there to no end, and I am NOT abusing my damn puppy!
    I would try your technique blackgavotte but I have carpeting in every inch of my house and I have absolutely nowehere I can set up a x pen without ruining my carpet.
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    To some people, leaving a dog in a crate for 4 hours is abusive. So, relax! You have to understand who you're asking questions from, and we don't have all the information...we only know what you tell us, so, some assumptions have to be made to fill in the picture. Getting upset over what people say here is futile and counter productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corgankidd View Post
    He is not being left too long in his crate. I leave him in for 4 hours at a time. He is in his crate for 8 hours a day then once I get home for work he is out of his crate the entire day until around 1 a.m. when I go to bed. So no, I am not misusing the crate, I am not confining him in there to no end, and I am NOT abusing my damn puppy!
    I would try your technique blackgavotte but I have carpeting in every inch of my house and I have absolutely nowehere I can set up a x pen without ruining my carpet.
    I know, I said I would butt out of this thread, but when you say, he is 11 weeks old, in his crate for 8 hours while you work, then from 1a.m. approx. to when you get up, in my opinion that's too much crate time for an 11 week old.... And he is obviously stressed out and confused, too. Could you put a tarp, say, over the carpet, then newspapers on that, then the ex. pen? Is the kitchen area carpet too, or could you have the ex. pen in the kitchen? No one thinks you are deliberately abusing your puppy... these forums are for getting other views or solutions out there, we really do try to help one another. I don't think anyone here is out to make things harder. If we all did not love dogs, and have their best interests at heart, we would not bother with these forums, especially since there can be misunderstandings and hurt feelings that go along with this, and none of us wants that in our lives.
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    Okay, reread your threads. You had said 8 hours while you are at work, but also said 4 hours is the longest since you come home from work. That's sure better than 8 hours at a time but it still may be too long, right now, for this particular puppy. Just think about protecting the carpet and trying the exercise pen or enclosure...We all know you are trying really hard, and housetraining can be difficult. By the way, what kind of puppy is he/she?
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    You're not abusing your puppy, but every dog is different, and some dogs cannot hold it for as long as the general rules say (they can't read that anyway lmao). Some dogs' bodies take longer to get used to holding it for certain periods of time than others.

    I am moving into a carpeted house as well, on Saturday, and I may have to get an ex-pen, buy a super-absorbant comforter, and stick the ex-pen on top of it, just in case of an accident. The price of Doggie Daycare is out of this world. I cannot afford to pay $20/day (over $400/month for me) for daily doggy daycare or pet-sitting right now so I will have to make do. Shippo is old enough now to hold it for a reasonable amount of time, but I am far enough away from work that I may not be able to come home for lunch anymore, and I can't make him sit in a crate for 8-10 hours per day. >-.-< I'm feeling your pain right now lol...
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    Peeing in crate

    Where did you get the dog from? A breeder or a pet shop?? Dogs bought from a pet shop are used to going to the bathroom in the crate and laying in it.
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    11 weeks is awfully young to be expected to hold it for four hours.
    I would make sure he has the opportunity to go outside at least every two hours. Maybe you have a neighbor or friend who could help?
    Get in touch with your inner canine!
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