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    My first dog ever 1month old treeing walker coonhound

    HI all I just joined up to ask for some help / advice

    I just got a 1 month old treeing walker coonhound and I am having a very difficult time becoming "alpha" or "Pack leader" to her. I have been reading countless articals and visiting dog training sites as well as watching movies on the subject and I cant seem to get much to work. I would be able to hang in with the training more if I didnt feel she resented me for it.

    First Ill start with what I do based on what I have read. followed by her reaction

    I go through all doors first. she fights me to the death on this although it may not be her trying to be pack leader as much as shes such a small puppy that anything distracts her.

    I put her food down and block her by simply placing my arms in her way untill she becomes passive and then she is aloud to eat. For this one she just wont clam down and all. She crys at the top of her lungs and howls and starts going crazy flailing her body everywhere. Eventually she sits down and burrys her face and crys at which point I consider it passive enough to allow he access to her dinner.

    I remain calm and collective even while disciplining her as to simulate a natural pack leader. she simply ignores my existence entirely.

    When she goes to the bathroom in the house I put her nose "in it" so to speak (not literary in it just above it) and poke her neck gently while making a tssst noise (I hear they will associate this with bad behavior using this method) I also make this noise for her biting me to hard and It always makes her stop

    I offer her treats during training sessions but she seems to not want anything but meals. No snacking

    Ok now on to my point: I THINK MY PUPPY HATES ME FOR ALL OF THIS

    She avoids me when ever possible and when we sit on the couch she runs to my girlfriends lap and looks at me with really sad eyes as if to say I love her more. My girlfriend never trains feeds or walks the dog so this must just be to spite me. What do I do I just want her to be happy and love me

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    Re: My first dog ever 1month old treeing walker coonhound

    Quote Originally Posted by Kozar927 View Post
    HI all I just joined up to ask for some help / advice

    I just got a 1 month old treeing walker coonhound and I am having a very difficult time becoming "alpha" or "Pack leader" to her. I have been reading countless articals and visiting dog training sites as well as watching movies on the subject and I cant seem to get much to work. I would be able to hang in with the training more if I didnt feel she resented me for it.

    Drop the whole "alpha" stuff. It has been disproven and usually does more damage than good. It is best to use a positive reinforcement training method.
    First Ill start with what I do based on what I have read. followed by her reaction


    I go through all doors first. she fights me to the death on this although it may not be her trying to be pack leader as much as shes such a small puppy that anything distracts her.
    One month old is an infant, waaay too young to even be away from mom and litter mates. She is too young to really know that sort of stuff yet.

    I put her food down and block her by simply placing my arms in her way untill she becomes passive and then she is aloud to eat. For this one she just wont clam down and all. She crys at the top of her lungs and howls and starts going crazy flailing her body everywhere. Eventually she sits down and burrys her face and crys at which point I consider it passive enough to allow he access to her dinner.

    I would stop doing this. This is an infant dog and will probably not understand that she has to work for her food. She is way too young for you to be restricting her food like that.

    I remain calm and collective even while disciplining her as to simulate a natural pack leader. she simply ignores my existence entirely.

    When she goes to the bathroom in the house I put her nose "in it" so to speak (not literary in it just above it) and poke her neck gently while making a tssst noise (I hear they will associate this with bad behavior using this method (they just learn to associate you with poking and discomfort) I also make this noise for her biting me to hard and It always makes her stop
    Don't bury her nose in her pee or poop. This also does more damage than good. All it will make them think is that you don't like when she goes to the bathroom, so she will try to hide it from you by going behind the couch, etc. Also no poking. This will make her not trust you. Also, she is WAY too young to be potty trained! Her body won't even receive the signals that she has to pee/poop for months. At this point it is about prevention, which means going outside every 20-30 minutes. Also, the reason she is biting is because that is what puppies do until they learn bite inhibition. They learn bite inhibition from their littermates, but she won't because she was taken away way too early. Puppies need to stay with their mothers and litter mates until 8-10 weeks because that is where they learn proper manners, social behavior, and how to not bite. You will have a lot of work on your hands with socializing her and training her. Only positive methods, no negative reinforcement. Don't punish for going potty inside, it isn't her fault. Praise for going outside

    I offer her treats during training sessions but she seems to not want anything but meals. No snacking

    What treats do you offer and what brand of food does she get?

    Ok now on to my point: I THINK MY PUPPY HATES ME FOR ALL OF THIS

    She probably doesn't, but she will resent and distrust you if you continue with negative training.

    She avoids me when ever possible and when we sit on the couch she runs to my girlfriends lap and looks at me with really sad eyes as if to say I love her more. My girlfriend never trains feeds or walks the dog so this must just be to spite me. What do I do I just want her to be happy and love me

    Dogs never do things out of spite. At this point I think she is afraid of you and goes to your girlfriend because she doesn't do scary things like shove her nose into her pee or poke her. You need to start gaining her trust, no more punishments. She is an infant, you are expecting way too much from her. No more alpha stuff either, for now just work on gaining trust back and preventing accidents. Actually potty TRAINING wont happen for a while. Right now it is potty prevention lol.
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    Where did you get this puppy?
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    a one month old IS TOO YOUNG for most of this! This little baby just needs to bond with you and feel safe with you and learn to TRUST YOU. None of the above engenders trust in a pup that is TOO YOUNG to be away from her litter! That is why she is running to your GF! Loving kindness before punishment/she is too young too understand the "training" that you are doing! SHE IS A BABY.PLS you seem to like dogs, backtrack a bit-- a pup is a baby! They mouth/ bite/ pee everywhere and run every where... Its like a little 2 year old child right now! Keep us updated!!

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    at month month old I would be VERY surprised if she is even able to eat solid kibble food, Puppies should still be nursing from their mother (with softened kibble supplement) at that age. Right now your goal is ONLY to keep this puppy alive!!

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    thanks for all your feedback guys. How come about every video I have watched or artical I have read talks about being alpha or pack leader? If its not true why did my vet tell me about it also? So what should I do from this point on how should I correct bad behavior? How should I become her master. Just tell me what to do because everyone in the world is telling me to do different things and im confused as im sure the dog must be with me constantly changing training methods. BTW she is 6 and a half weeks. a little more then 1 month

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    The vet told me to give her hard food with some water. He also told me the food blocking is a very good idea.

    Im just a dog lover confused by all the mixed messages

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    Vets do not know everything. They know how to handle medical situations, it does not mean that they know the appropriate way to TRAIN a dog. There are many different styles of training, so you will see different recommendations and all conflicting one another. You need to choose a style and stick with it. I'd also recommend positive reinforcement, rather than punishment...especially with a pup that age. Even 6.5 weeks is WAY too young to be away from their mother and other pups!

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    Are you going to hunt with her?

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    Vets do not know everything. They know how to handle medical situations, it does not mean that they know the appropriate way to TRAIN a dog. There are many different styles of training, so you will see different recommendations and all conflicting one another. You need to choose a style and stick with it. I'd also recommend positive reinforcement, rather than punishment...especially with a pup that age. Even 6.5 weeks is WAY too young to be away from their mother and other pups!
    Ok I didn't know any of this we got her from a farm and she seems very happy and carefree here. I live with my girlfriend and I know it sound selfish but I always wanted to be a number 1 to a dog so I try to push my gf into the background as much as possible but shes walking her right now. What do you guys recommend day to day life to be like with the puppy right now so she sees me as her best friend / master Ill even take a schedule with time specific activities. Im not lazy and im willing to do anything for the puppy to grow up seeing me as her master

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    Are you going to hunt with her?
    Nope im not a hunter but I will give her all the out door exercise this breed requires
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    A dog is going to trust the person who is calm with them and who treats them nicely in my experience. If that is your girlfriend, that's who she is going to turn to and be closer to.

    Personally I think that if there is more than one person living in the house, that they all need to make sure that the dog comes to them and listens to them, etc. I wouldn't recommend "pushing your girlfriend into the background as much as possible" since she's living in that home with you. She's that dog's "master" just as much as you are, in my opinion. If you create a situation where the dog only obeys you it's going to make for serious issues whenever you are not home. My dad did that inadvertently with one of their dogs and the dog does not listen to anyone else living in that house. He is ridiculously out of control unless my dad is home. I would NOT recommend creating a situation in which a dog is only taught to obey one person, it's just asking for trouble and I don't see the point in it anyway..

    I don't have much advice on the whole "master" thing personally, because that's not how I treat my dogs. I treat my dogs as if they're members of the family and they get rewarded for good behavior and that allows them to understand what is expected of them and they therefore behave. Dogs WANT to please, they don't need to be punished in order to do it...they just have to understand what you want, and you therefore have to teach them in a way they understand.

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    Research the breed, many hounds, especially coon hounds are not near as biddable as other breeds. They are made to hunt Aline, or in a pack, far away from the handler. They don't always care to please you.

    I would get "master" out of your head. Do fun things with your pup, teach obedience slowly, when she is a little older. Just keep in mind, there is a reason you don't see many hounds winning top obedience titles lol.

    The potty training, take her out constantly until she gets the idea. Before she has to go, take her out, praise, repeat until she learns. Its all about timing with any type of training.

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    Well first off, the people who told you 4 weeks is alright to take a puppy home have stupidity issues and really should be slapped. This puppy is not WEANED. 6 Weeks is when real food can easily come into play, and then an extra 3-6 weeks for everything else a baby needs to learn. 8 weeks should really be the bare minimum for a puppy.
    You can be number one to a dog if it respects you, and right now all your puppy knows is that you're being mean to it (in the puppy's eyes) and not letting it eat, and it's probably staying hungry because, again, it's not even wean. This is a little hound puppy, not a wolf. Dogs are not wolves, and won't respond to many of the things a wolf would.
    When it comes to 'food blocking' that's mainly for dogs (not tini little puppies) who have a problem with impulse control. When you're calm, you get the food.
    And when it comes to potty training, a firm 'no' then immediately taking the puppy out to potty will do. You have a baby, and this baby is going to have accidents. This baby cannot control when it has to potty and has no idea that using the bathroom inside is wrong.
    Again, you will only be number one if your puppy respects you, and respect must be earned, not forced. There's a difference between fear and respect and it's a fine line that's often crossed when it comes to dogs. Be kind and patient with your puppy, have fun with your puppy. Then as it gets older you can really start training, but like I said, right now you have a baby on your hands.
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    Re: My first dog ever 1month old treeing walker coonhound

    Some resources for you:

    http://www.dogstardaily.com/free-downloads
    Read Before and After Getting a Puppy by Ian Dunbar, available for free at the link above

    http://www.youtube.com/user/kikopup?...e=results_main
    Kikopup's positive reinforcement training for free on youtube

    Great books to read when you finish the free stuff:
    The Other End of the Leash by Patricia McConnel
    Puppy Primer by Patricia McConnel
    The Culture Clash by Jean Donaldsen
    Bones Would Rain From the Sky by Suzanne Clothier

    anything by Ian Dunbar or Karen Pryor are great as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juliemule View Post
    Research the breed, many hounds, especially coon hounds are not near as biddable as other breeds. They are made to hunt Aline, or in a pack, far away from the handler. They don't always care to please you.

    I would get "master" out of your head. Do fun things with your pup, teach obedience slowly, when she is a little older. Just keep in mind, there is a reason you don't see many hounds winning top obedience titles lol.

    The potty training, take her out constantly until she gets the idea. Before she has to go, take her out, praise, repeat until she learns. Its all about timing with any type of training.
    Many websites I have read on treeing walkers says otherwise. It says the love to please their master and can become very obedient if trained right.

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    Pretty much any dog can be very obedient if trained right, some are just easier to train (more biddable) by nature.

    House training sticky for you: http://www.dogforums.com/first-time-...ining-how.html (Housetraining How To.....)

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    Yes any dog can be trained. Some are harder to train than others. Just as some breeds are generally not good off lead. Each breed has differences. Hounds are not one I would normally not trust off lead. Some can be trained, but usually not as easily as other breeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozar927 View Post
    Many websites I have read on treeing walkers says otherwise. It says the love to please their master and can become very obedient if trained right.
    Most breeds within the hound group typically have strong food drives / play drives / prey drives, which lends them very well to positive reinforcement-style training methods (using food treats and toys etc as rewards for good behaviour), as long as you learn the right strings to pull, and learn how to properly manipulate and harness these inherent drives to your best advantage. Conversely, most hounds are also very soft by nature, which means that they usually don't respond well to harsh or corrective training methods.

    Therefore, "loving to please" and "training right" as you say, would most likely require that you adhere, tenaciously, to these basic principles.

    I strongly recommend reading Pat Miller's book, The Power of Positive Dog Training.

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    Re: My first dog ever 1month old treeing walker coonhound

    Quote Originally Posted by Kozar927 View Post
    thanks for all your feedback guys. How come about every video I have watched or artical I have read talks about being alpha or pack leader? If its not true why did my vet tell me about it also? So what should I do from this point on how should I correct bad behavior? How should I become her master. Just tell me what to do because everyone in the world is telling me to do different things and im confused as im sure the dog must be with me constantly changing training methods. BTW she is 6 and a half weeks. a little more then 1 month
    Find a new vet that doesn't use intimidation for training
    See if pup can go back with litter mates for another month
    Use the next month finding a certified pet trainer using positive reinforcement methods. Www.ccpdt.org
    Keep in mind, at a month old they are still such an baby, be patient, be kind.
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    Re: My first dog ever 1month old treeing walker coonhound

    ok first try not to learn training from a tv show.

    what treats do you use? coonhounds gen are very food motivated. use treats, to get obedience w/o conflict. Im not saying at some point other methods may not be nec. but its the place too start for sure.
    watch some kikopup or zakgeorge vids on youtube on the basics

    BTW my TW coonhound likes affection on her terms.


    even if you are a fan of "the dog whisperer" realize that he is working with problem dogs. Not little puppies.
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    You should not put her nose in her buisness, if she does go in the house you just pick/clean up whatever she did, and not saying anything or even look at her, when she goes outside, you fuss her and tell her how much of a good girl she is, and maybe give her a treat too, and as for the food thing, Holly is made to sit, then i put her bowl down, then she waits a few seconds, then i push her bowl towards her which means she can eat.

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