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    Cesar, yes, no or sometimes?

    Some members here have strong opinions against The Dog Whisperer. Are his training methods all bad?
    My daddy is Great Pyrenees. Mommy is Border Collie X English Springer Spaniel. I was born on a farm; now I live in the suburbs.

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    Of course not. Nothing is all bad. Many of the things he says are veryvery basic. But I think his way of calling nearly every behavior "dominance" or "aggression" has done a lot of damage.

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    I love the show. I think he does some amazing things.

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    He has some good ideas like making sure your dog gets enough exercise... the thing is they state at the beginning of every episode that you should not try these techniques at home without consulting a professional trainer. That is really good advice and I wish more people would head that warning.

    He has some good techniques and some bad techniques but the average dog owner probably can't distinguish between the two and without a professional trainer consulting them wont be able to properly administer some of them especially with proper timing that is needed to get results.

    If you want to know everyone's opinion on this forum you should search for cesar. There have been several threads on this before.
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    I don't have enough pop corn for another CM thread but as long as this one will last I can probably pick some up for tomorrow's reading.

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    Not a fan. There's a slowed down video floating around the interwebs that clearly shows him kicking dogs in the stomach with his heel. To each his own I guess, but I don't agree with his methods.

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    He doesn't train dogs...he trains people. That said, I would never train my wife with his techniques.

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    Even a stopped clock is right twice-a-day.

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    My perception is he is he "rehabilitates dogs." He doesn't train, he just sort of "resets" a dog and teaches humans how to behave around dogs. If you want to train a dog, it makes sense to get the human in the right frame of mind.

    I do really like his "calm assertive energy" mantra, it helps me. But it might not help everyone. Even before I heard of the guy, I knew I have a tendency to be hyper myself and I can really get a dog "geeked" out. I never intended to do it, I just did. Anyway, remembering that "thinking" before I greet a dog, helps a lot.

    Conversely, he'll never convince me not to give my dog smooches. It's a reciprocal relationship, I feed her, she tolerates a few kisses on the head everynight.

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    Re: Cesar, yes, no or sometimes?

    Sorry to have created another CM thread, but anytime I've read someone suggesting Cesar is no good, they haven't really provided specifics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
    I think his way of calling nearly every behavior "dominance" or "aggression" has done a lot of damage.
    I have read this criticism of him before, but just this weekend I watched two different re-run episodes in which he corrected owners who called their dogs "aggressive" because, he said, their dogs were "fearful".

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoey's Mommy View Post
    I knew I have a tendency to be hyper myself and I can really get a dog "geeked" out. I never intended to do it, I just did. Anyway, remembering that "thinking" before I greet a dog, helps a lot.
    Ditto. He seems very good at training people using language and metaphors they understand. In one household he noticed they were devout Christians and he told them that saying a brief prayer before a training session may help to calm both them and the dog. This stuck with me. That said, I don't think "calm and assertive" will ever come naturally to me. My best times with my Pit Bull, for example, are after we're both exhausted following a run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha1/2 View Post
    I have read this criticism of him before, but just this weekend I watched two different re-run episodes in which he corrected owners who called their dogs "aggressive" because, he said, their dogs were "fearful".
    He's getting better. In a lot of the older episodes, he would tell people their obviously terrified dogs were "dominant" and give them a good jerk on a choke chain. You didn't see any specifics? In most of the threads, someone will post a link to a video showing him choking down a dog, kicking them in the gut, zapping a dog with an e-collar, etc.

    But, yeah, "calm assertive" is a good thing, for dealing with humans, too. And the emphasis on exercise is nice. And he does show a willingness to learn and change. Which is better than most humans manage, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet View Post
    He doesn't train dogs...he trains people. That said, I would never train my wife with his techniques.
    That's true of most dog training instructors. Dogs are generally easy. People are difficult

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    Re: Cesar, yes, no or sometimes?

    I generally don't agree with his training methods, but I've heard him say some very sensible things in interviews. They're also pretty basic things though...

    But no, not "all" bad.

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    Some good- I like that he will take a dog back to his center for further training. I like that he has told people this dog is not for you, and will pair the people up with a different dog from his center. I have seen him take a dog out of a home enviroment and have it evaluated by different professionals for placement in a service dog enviroment. I like that he does have other professionals come onto his show for their input. I LOVE it when he gets after owners for not exercising their dog. Go get 'em Cesar!

    not so good- When he first came on tv seemed really dominant trainer. The mouth sound for corrections. I met a lady who told me to make that sound to her dog if it misbehaved. The owner kept saying, "Choo, choo" about every 5 seconds. It sounded like a train. Very irritating after 30 seconds.

    He has changed his training ways since first being on tv. I just saw an episode where he told the owner to give the dog treats when it behaved correctly. This was something you never saw in the earlier shows. At least he is not so strict in his methods, he has instilled other methods in his training sessions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoey's Mommy View Post
    My perception is he is he "rehabilitates dogs." He doesn't train, he just sort of "resets" a dog and teaches humans how to behave around dogs. If you want to train a dog, it makes sense to get the human in the right frame of mind.

    I do really like his "calm assertive energy" mantra, it helps me. But it might not help everyone. Even before I heard of the guy, I knew I have a tendency to be hyper myself and I can really get a dog "geeked" out. I never intended to do it, I just did. Anyway, remembering that "thinking" before I greet a dog, helps a lot.

    He works with dogs. If you work with dogs, you are inevitably training dogs. Every single interaction is a form of training, since the dog is learning 100% of the time. Even Millan will tell you that.

    I used to think calm assertive was a good mantra, but then I see so many cases of people who try to be a "calm assertive" handler, and they just end up looking like a pathetic military sargeant wannabe. You have to know what you're doing first, then "calm assertive" will follow. Confidence comes from being good at what you do. You don't just go into an activity calm assertive and all of a sudden become an expert. Millan appeals to people because he makes them believe they can take a shortcut to controlling their dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha1/2 View Post
    Ditto. He seems very good at training people using language and metaphors they understand. In one household he noticed they were devout Christians and he told them that saying a brief prayer before a training session may help to calm both them and the dog. This stuck with me. That said, I don't think "calm and assertive" will ever come naturally to me. My best times with my Pit Bull, for example, are after we're both exhausted following a run.
    His emotional intelligence is spectacular! and that may be much of the source of his appeal and success.

    The whole "calm assertive" thing is super new to me too, in fact, it freaked Zoey out the first few days I didn't act like a goon myself. But, I do think it's been calming for her too. She's not my therapist, she's my dog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet View Post
    He doesn't train dogs...he trains people. That said, I would never train my wife with his techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoey's Mommy View Post
    His emotional intelligence is spectacular! and that may be much of the source of his appeal and success.

    The whole "calm assertive" thing is super new to me too, in fact, it freaked Zoey out the first few days I didn't act like a goon myself. But, I do think it's been calming for her too. She's not my therapist, she's my dog!
    In all retrospect, dogs help us better & stabilize ourselves... So doesn't that make dogs "technically" therapists? .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogdragoness View Post
    In all retrospect, dogs help us better & stabilize ourselves... So doesn't that make dogs "technically" therapists? .
    yes, but don't tell them that. they'll want our copays, in squeeky toys!


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