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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogsignalfire View Post
    Lancer's using a ball reward now and doing super well with it on interiors/exteriors. I messed up somewhere along the way with boxes though, because he thinks that "pawing at all boxes" results in getting the ball now, and not actually focusing on scents... so I might have to go back to pairing with food for that?

    Also, I'm wondering how do I even find local mock ORT's? I'd ask our trainer, but I kinda feel like she prefers us to be 100% ready before we even attempt an ORT... so I'm going to do it secretly if I find one. LOL
    If you have friends who train, why not just do your own?

    As for your pawing, what would happen if you put the boxes on benches or chairs and worked them? That way, he would know that the pawing isn't paying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trainingjunkie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogsignalfire View Post
    Lancer's using a ball reward now and doing super well with it on interiors/exteriors. I messed up somewhere along the way with boxes though, because he thinks that "pawing at all boxes" results in getting the ball now, and not actually focusing on scents... so I might have to go back to pairing with food for that?

    Also, I'm wondering how do I even find local mock ORT's? I'd ask our trainer, but I kinda feel like she prefers us to be 100% ready before we even attempt an ORT... so I'm going to do it secretly if I find one. LOL
    If you have friends who train, why not just do your own?

    As for your pawing, what would happen if you put the boxes on benches or chairs and worked them? That way, he would know that the pawing isn't paying?
    I totally would if I had friends around doing nose work. I'm kind of on my own, I just have barely acquaintences, and they're busier people than me.

    I'm not very sure what you mean, but he jumps on the chairs/benches to paw on them. I've been starting to fix this problem since only yesterday though, by starting from two or three boxes again and rewarding without waiting for his reaction yet, and it seems to be working.

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Well, I think I'm switching to a different trainer who seems much less busy, and they do mock ORTs and mock trials! YAY

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Tyson and I haven't been in class for almost a month and class tomorrow is looking iffy (the instructor won't drive in ice or snow), but we practiced a little last night. I've been concerned that he's not making any association with the odor and just returning to places he's been rewarded or nosing all the containers and hoping for a reward.

    After our session, we were in the laundry room (where some of our training stuff - including our NW kit - is stored). He walked over to the partially open odor kit and started nosing it! Of course it could have been just because it was a strong odor, but I quickly found some treats and rewarded heavily. It was nice to have some tiny bit of encouragement.

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Ugh, I need to get back into this. I mean, I haven't 'quit' or anything and I've done some very quick and informal hides every now and then. But I should do it more because Sor loves it so much. I am being selfish... I currently have a jigsaw puzzle going on the coffee table and when Sor searches he tends to sweep surfaces with his face and knock things over

    But congrats trainingjunkie on your accomplishments from earlier in this post. And it's super cool that you guys are doing this! I actually signed up for a nosework course in the only place within a hundred mile radius that teaches it (and uses R+ training), and they just closed down. So I am out of luck!

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Canyx View Post
    I actually signed up for a nosework course in the only place within a hundred mile radius that teaches it (and uses R+ training), and they just closed down. So I am out of luck!
    I think nothing beats having a good instructor as a 2nd pair of eyes and building strong foundation, but I've heard good things about the online fenzi course! They're like crash courses, but I guess you learn a lot of good info. :P

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    What do you mean by saying that Fenzi classes are Crash Courses?

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by trainingjunkie View Post
    What do you mean by saying that Fenzi classes are Crash Courses?
    They're 6 weeks courses that give you a lot of info and training to do, which is usually what crash course means haha.
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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Tyson and I had a great NW class. I was a little nervous because it was our first class since December 10 and we've only practiced once. Then I was really nervous because the first search was an unpaired hide (set up like an ORT except we knew which box had the odor).

    Well, he was (I think) the second fastest dog to find the odor! Then he was the first (maybe only) dog to find one of the hides in the lobby and he dragged me to a hide I didn't even know about. I was telling him all done and the instructor said, "No there's a hide under his nose."

    The only bad thing was that the dogs were crated fairly close to each other. When we were packing up, I took the sheets off his crate and he barked at the dog next to us.

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    Hank and I got our NW1 a few months ago. (Oct? Nov?). We got 2nd place overall and he was a total rockstar. Sadly any find a local ort for clove and anise so may be a bit before we trial at level two.
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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Awesome job! Have videos?

    Sorry to hear about the ORT. Are you willing to do some driving to get it out of the way?

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Tyson and I had a really good class today. I'm still shocked that he's able to find unpaired odor. More importantly he was able to watch other dogs work and walk around the room (I only let him watch when they were at least about 10' away). The only time he seemed upset was when the boxer was galloping back and forth through the hides.

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    We had a great NW class yesterday. It started out kinda hairy - half the dogs in our class plus an entire puppy class were in front of the building when we got out of the car. Yikes! We hung back, did some tricks, ate some cheese, and waited for most of the dogs to leave. Tyson was fine. He saw the dogs, but turned his attention back to me, and was able to follow cues and eat.

    In class, he watched most of the dogs work; I only covered his crate when other dogs were walking towards us or very close to the crate. He woofed once, but otherwise just watched and ate treats.

    Oh yeah, classwork itself was good, too. Apparently he works better off leash and when I don't crowd him. He did great with the hide that was hanging from the ceiling. He's so different in class than when we practice at home - he always surprises me.

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    What level of class is it?

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    What level of class is it?
    Um, I'm not sure. It's the second of two six-week Intro to Odor sessions which followed three six-week sessions of Intro to Nosework. We started pairing odor and food in late October. This is the course listing at our training center: http://www.dtccc.org/K9-nose-work.htm

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Sounds like really advanced stuff, especially for an intro class! Good job!

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    Sounds like really advanced stuff, especially for an intro class! Good job!
    Thanks. There's a more advanced class before ours, so I think the instructor just leaves the same set up for our class. lol

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Tyson and I had a pretty good class today. He was a little more nervous than usual probably because he had a significant amount of exposure to other dogs on the way to class and we had several barky dogs in class.

    The first search had four hides, three paired, one unpaired. They were all set up in or hanging from various types of fabric (pieces of lace and a reflective blanket). The second search was a paired hide hanging from the ceiling this week with chairs, a baby carriage, bike, and wheelchair set up around the hide. It was so interesting to watch when the dogs found odor and how they followed it to the source in both situations.

    He also did really well with watching the other dogs search and walk across the room. The only incident was when I wasn't paying attention to the dog behind us when she came out of her crate - I should have either treated or covered the crate faster.
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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    Do you take any online nosework classes or anything? Do you do lots of fast, easy and fun searches too?

    I enjoy hearing about your class, but it sounds like a ton of advanced stuff. Is Tyson super-eager and working happily? Is his drive high? If so, fantastic! And ignore my last couple of sentences!

    Almost all of my searches are super simple and quick. I add a few strange things in there now and then, but fast-n-fun are the meat and potatoes of my crews' work. If I am going to add something difficult or work a new skill, I try to roll it out at home so there's no environmental pressure on it until my dogs are solid on the task.

    Hard to keep everything in balance. Any videos or photos of the set-ups? They sound really interesting to run!

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    Re: A New Nosework Thread

    I haven't taken online classes, but we started NW about two years ago taking two six (eight?)-week classes with an instructor working on NACSW certification. Those were all food-only searches and he gained tons of confidence. We took a break from all classes and started back up last summer. So none of this is really new to him.

    We've done fast, easy, fun searches both in class and at home. I think the instructor really wants to expose us to a variety of things that we could encounter (and maybe some things we won't) so that the dogs are comfortable searching in different locations with different set ups. She also wants us to know what our dogs look like when they've found odor and are following it to the source.

    Tyson is eager to work; to me he seems very serious about it. I have no idea if he's high drive. Today was the first time in quite a while that I've noticed his being nervous. But, we did have the neighbors' dog barking at us as we left, he watched the puppy class on break while I unloaded the car, and then the dogs in class were usually barky and whiny. I've also been trying to let him watch the other dogs in class to - I hope - increase his comfort level around them.

    I would say that he's more frantic at class than normal, but he has the same sort of enthusiasm for NW at home -he's just not pulling me along behind him.

    Thanks for your comments. I really appreciate your perspective.

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