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    Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

    EDIT: I am no longer looking for suggestions as to what breeds Reyna happens to LOOK LIKE. I updated this post recently with her DNA test results, and I am now looking for comments about that. Thanks!



    I got my 5-year-old mixed breed dog at a local shelter. The pictures are okay representations of her, but they are cell phone pictures, so they're not really the best. Basically, everyone says she looks like a fox. She is literally only 23 lbs, and probably around 16 inches tall at the shoulders (haven't measured, but I'm 5'5" and she's shorter than my knees).

    I don't really care what breed she is, but I am still curious to know what people might think! Her shelter papers say german shepherd mix, but she's so tiny and so red I can't imagine what she could be mixed with..

    Here's another thing: While I'd love to know what your honest opinions of her breed history might be, I also want to move into an apartment that does not allow german shepherds or shepherd mixes (some people just don't understand dogs, lol). The woman I talked to says that a <25 lb dog doesn't sound like a shepherd, but they probably will ask what breed she is, and IF instead of saying "she's just a mixed breed" I can say, "she's a mixed breed and she probably has some _____ in her," and the blank isn't "shepherd", I may have a better chance of actually being accepted.

    So what do you think?
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    Re: Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

    She's very interesting looking!! You're right, she does look a lot like a fox! She probably has a lot of different breeds in her. I think I see some Basenji (What does her bark sound like?) and a lot of spitz influence. It's really a mystery, though!


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    Hm, I had never even heard of those dog breeds, but you're right! She does look a bit like both of those breeds to me. She totally has those basenji eyes! I never thought her face looked very german shepherdy- mostly because of the eyes. I attached another picture of her face- but that was her first "shelter intake picture", so clearly she was scared and confused (she's not usually making that face).. She definitely does not have any curl to her tail, though, and it's very fluffy- maybe from a spitz?

    Her bark is kind of- well, she doesn't really bark much at all. At first, she would only make a "yip" sound if she was concerned about something (for example, if another dog came closer than she felt comfortable with), and that was very high-pitched and short, and she would do it only once. Since then, she has been barking a little bit, and it is still usually just one or two barks at a time, and of course it's not a low tone like a mastiff or a pit, but it's also nothing like a small dog (it's not "squealy" at all). My parents had a german shepherd, and she doesn't sound much like her, either. She does not have an annoying bark- especially because she's usually pretty quiet anyway. I'm not sure I can explain better than that!

    EDIT: I looked at a basenji breed page and it mentioned that they "rarely bark, but squeal, yodel, chortle, yip, and scream".. I'm not sure what all of those noises would sound like, but I think one of the reasons I had trouble describing Reyna's vocalizations was that I was thrown off by the WORD, "bark". She IS vocal, just rarely actually barks. She groans, whines (but not very high-pitched like most dogs), and has other pretty unusual vocalizations that are not exactly what I would consider a "bark".
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    Re: Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

    You could probable find examples of those dogs sounds on youtube.

    Reyna is a good looking dog. I love the tail. Does it naturally look that way or was it groomed to looked like a fox?

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    Thank you! I think she's just the cutest thing.

    Does it naturally look that way or was it groomed to looked like a fox?
    You can groom a dog to look like a fox? lol- In those pictures, she's straight from the shelter (she hadn't even been brushed, much less bathed or "groomed"), so I assume that's how she looks naturally. She did have some skin issues from a flea allergy that had her fur looking pretty sparse over her hind end (but the fleas seem to be gone now, her skin is much healthier, and the fur is growing back in as thick as it is everywhere else), and scabs from having tons of ticks. I have plans to give her a bath in the next week, but nothing fancy or professional.. I can't wait to see (and smell) her after she's all shampooed and brushed!

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    She's probably a Finnish spitz/Basenji mix.

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    Re: Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

    Quote Originally Posted by variableenigma View Post
    Hm, I had never even heard of those dog breeds, but you're right! She does look a bit like both of those breeds to me. She totally has those basenji eyes! I never thought her face looked very german shepherdy- mostly because of the eyes. I attached another picture of her face- but that was her first "shelter intake picture", so clearly she was scared and confused (she's not usually making that face).. She definitely does not have any curl to her tail, though, and it's very fluffy- maybe from a spitz?

    Her bark is kind of- well, she doesn't really bark much at all. At first, she would only make a "yip" sound if she was concerned about something (for example, if another dog came closer than she felt comfortable with), and that was very high-pitched and short, and she would do it only once. Since then, she has been barking a little bit, and it is still usually just one or two barks at a time, and of course it's not a low tone like a mastiff or a pit, but it's also nothing like a small dog (it's not "squealy" at all). My parents had a german shepherd, and she doesn't sound much like her, either. She does not have an annoying bark- especially because she's usually pretty quiet anyway. I'm not sure I can explain better than that!

    EDIT: I looked at a basenji breed page and it mentioned that they "rarely bark, but squeal, yodel, chortle, yip, and scream".. I'm not sure what all of those noises would sound like, but I think one of the reasons I had trouble describing Reyna's vocalizations was that I was thrown off by the WORD, "bark". She IS vocal, just rarely actually barks. She groans, whines (but not very high-pitched like most dogs), and has other pretty unusual vocalizations that are not exactly what I would consider a "bark".
    Oh my god, Skittles! Is that your dog? I had been visiting her a Kalamazoo Animal control! I REALLY wanted to adopt her and I'm so glad she found a home.

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    Oh my god, Skittles! Is that your dog? I had been visiting her a Kalamazoo Animal control! I REALLY wanted to adopt her and I'm so glad she found a home.
    Yes! I didn't like the name "Skittles", though. Her new name, Reyna, is derived from the french word for "fox" (renard). I was doing the animal behavior practicum through WMU, and she is one of the dogs we were working with. I kept saying to myself I wouldn't adopt one, but I just couldn't even help myself when I met her. I've wanted a dog for a long time, and I guess she just felt like the right one for me.

    I CURRENTLY don't live in an apartment that allows dogs, but my friend is fostering her for me for the time being. I'm moving soon, and I will be able to take her with me.

    She's a sweetheart, but she will definitely need some concrete training before she's the perfect house pet. She tries to chase cats (and I have two), pulls on walks, and pesters other dogs (not aggressively, it seems like she wants to play, but won't stop even when they're sending her the "leave me alone" signals). Other than that, she is already house-trained and doesn't mind a crate. She already knows she's "my" dog, and I think she will be easy to train once I have more control over her environment.

    Also, since I know you saw her at the shelter, I feel I should let you know that she is much less timid and depressed since she's left there. She had kennel cough when I took her "home", and has been treated for that (she does still have a snotty nose, and I'm really hoping it's just residual symptoms and nothing more serious). She is a lot more energetic though, more confident, more attentive, and is eating with no problem. And in case you didn't catch it earlier, the dry skin problem she was having was due to a flea allergy, and is getting better (her fur is growing back in nice and thick).


    She's probably a Finnish spitz/Basenji mix.
    I'm going to do my best to just keep it at "a very mixed breed", but if they do ask, I will tell them that. If they say she looks like a shepherd, I'll probably say it's rare to have a shepherd mix that's so small.. Realistically, even if she has shepherd in her, it can't be much, they're like 70-90 lb dogs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by variableenigma View Post
    Yes! I didn't like the name "Skittles", though. Her new name, Reyna, is derived from the french word for "fox" (renard). I was doing the animal behavior practicum through WMU, and she is one of the dogs we were working with. I kept saying to myself I wouldn't adopt one, but I just couldn't even help myself when I met her. I've wanted a dog for a long time, and I guess she just felt like the right one for me.

    I CURRENTLY don't live in an apartment that allows dogs, but my friend is fostering her for me for the time being. I'm moving soon, and I will be able to take her with me.

    She's a sweetheart, but she will definitely need some concrete training before she's the perfect house pet. She tries to chase cats (and I have two), pulls on walks, and pesters other dogs (not aggressively, it seems like she wants to play, but won't stop even when they're sending her the "leave me alone" signals). Other than that, she is already house-trained and doesn't mind a crate. She already knows she's "my" dog, and I think she will be easy to train once I have more control over her environment.

    Also, since I know you saw her at the shelter, I feel I should let you know that she is much less timid and depressed since she's left there. She had kennel cough when I took her "home", and has been treated for that (she does still have a snotty nose, and I'm really hoping it's just residual symptoms and nothing more serious). She is a lot more energetic though, more confident, more attentive, and is eating with no problem. And in case you didn't catch it earlier, the dry skin problem she was having was due to a flea allergy, and is getting better (her fur is growing back in nice and thick).
    Yes, Skittles is a terrible names. I often rename the dogs, even though they are not coming home with me. I thought she was quite unique looking, and her face reminded me of my Magpie (even though they're not exactly similar in any other way).

    I assume every dog at the shelter will be radically different than they are there. And pretty much every dog that leaves the shelter leaves with the gift of kennel cough. I'm glad she is doing well. Did you sign up to take her before her quarantine was done? I had called to see if I could put her on the list to be pulled, but they said I would not be first in line, so I was hoping she had been adopted.

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    Did you sign up to take her before her quarantine was done? I had called to see if I could put her on the list to be pulled, but they said I would not be first in line, so I was hoping she had been adopted.
    Actually, no.. I think it was almost a week after she was available when I did adopt her. It seems like there were several people interested in her, but I guess I'm the first one who was like, "I'm not fooling around, I'm taking her right NOW". haha, I'm SO lucky to have a friend who was willing to foster her for a month and a half until my lease here is up. He's been really patient with the whole thing. Otherwise I never would have been able to do it.

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    Re: Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

    Quote Originally Posted by variableenigma View Post
    Actually, no.. I think it was almost a week after she was available when I did adopt her. It seems like there were several people interested in her, but I guess I'm the first one who was like, "I'm not fooling around, I'm taking her right NOW". haha, I'm SO lucky to have a friend who was willing to foster her for a month and a half until my lease here is up. He's been really patient with the whole thing. Otherwise I never would have been able to do it.
    I wonder if any one else has signed up! Normally they toss you on a list and call you if the dog is available or others fall through. Well, I for one am very happy she found a home.

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    Re: Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

    maybe a shephered\fox mix you never know what could happen !! where did you get her from ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dino View Post
    maybe a shephered\fox mix you never know what could happen !! where did you get her from ?
    Definitely not. We live in a medium sized city in Michigan where the dog was at a shelter. Foxes are NOT rampant in this area (outside the city, sure) and the ones that are around are like any fox- scared and flighty. The chance of a dog mating with a wild fox is not happening.

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    I wonder if any one else has signed up! Normally they toss you on a list and call you if the dog is available or others fall through. Well, I for one am very happy she found a home.
    They didn't seem to have any problem with adopting her to me right away. They checked all her paperwork in the system and everything.. I don't want to sound all "na na na" or whatever (because that's not my intention at all), but even if it was actually a mistake, I really do think she was "meant" to be with me. I just feel like she's my dog, and I've felt that way from the time I met her, you know? (Yeah, I'm one of those "everything happens for a reason" people! haha)

    maybe a shephered\fox mix you never know what could happen !! where did you get her from ?
    Yeah, coyote-dog hybrids and wolf-dog hybrids are apparently possible (but unlikely), but there's never been a reported case of a fox producing offspring with a domesticated dog. I really think the basenji is a good bet- what else I have no idea, but I'm thinking several breeds rather than just two..
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    Re: Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

    my friend has a fox mix .... freak incident haha they had their female who obviously wasnt spayed let her outside in a fully fenced yard .... and well fox had dug under and they ended up with their dog now ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miranda16 View Post
    my friend has a fox mix .... freak incident haha they had their female who obviously wasnt spayed let her outside in a fully fenced yard .... and well fox had dug under and they ended up with their dog now ....
    I highly doubt that. Like variableenigma said, there has never been a documented case of a fox and a dog producing offspring. Here, read this and this.

    If your neighbors really think their animal is a fox mix, they should get some genetic testing done. They could end up famous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crantastic View Post
    I highly doubt that. Like variableenigma said, there has never been a documented case of a fox and a dog producing offspring. Here, read this and this.

    If your neighbors really think their animal is a fox mix, they should get some genetic testing done. They could end up famous.
    granted these people arent dog people ... and i have never actually seen the dog ... though from what i hear she is very "fox like" in manners ... and also has a digging obsession that is on the verge of burrowing .... but ... this is by word of mouth and you know how people are

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    IIRC, It's usually pretty rare for different species to interbreed, but it does sometimes happen (Coyotes, wolves and dogs are an exception, same with horses and donkeys, lions and tigers, etc.) However, foxes and dogs are in completely different genus... Dogs=Canis, foxes=Vulpes. I think the chances of a dog and a fox producing offspring is pretty unlikely.

    The "fox-like" dog with a digging obsession might be part terrier


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    Domestic dogs (and wolves, coyotes, dingoes and jackals) have 78 chromosomes, allowing them to produce hybrid offspring (should this type of encounter occur- which is rare). However, the red fox has only 38. Biologically speaking, even if their gametes (sex cells) were to "meet"- a fox could not produce offspring with any of these dogs. The cells would probably scramble, get all messed up, and be discarded (IF they ever even got that far- they might not even recognize the other cells as gametes in the first place, and it would be the same as having some random skin cells or something in the fallopian tubes). I'm pretty sure that even if you tried to produce hybrids in vitro, it STILL wouldn't work (at least not without some heavy-duty human scientific influence).
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    Re: Reyna looks like a fox- What breeds could she be?

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    So this past Christmas, I got a Wisdom Panel Insights Dog DNA Test (www.wisdompanel.com) and I just got the results back!

    Here are the results:

    50% (one parent) Catahoula Leopard Dog
    25% (one grandparent) Chow Chow
    25% (one grandparent) American Foxhound


    What do you all think of that? I've been thinking about it a lot, but I want to hear some other opinions.

    (I also posted a couple more recent pictures- I think. haha)
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