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    I don't know the lines well enough to choose a favorite... I just look at specific dogs and quickly know whether I like them or not. Ears set too high really bother me, too. It makes the whole head look really long when viewed from the front. Papillons with ears like that remind me of a donkey, haha.

    Crystal's breeder has a bitch right now that she affectionately calls her "ugly dog." She doesn't have much coat and her nose tends more toward the sheltie nose. She comes from good lines, which is why the breeder got her in the first place; she wants these lines in her program. The breeder's pairing her with Crystal's brother, who has a shorter muzzle and a bit too much coat. I think she may get some nice moderate puppies out of this pairing. We'll find out soon -- I believe they're due December 8th. I will go visit when they're six/seven weeks old and get some pictures.

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    I love this dog's head and ears. (I guess her muzzle is a bit thick for some tastes but I like the more spaniely muzzle): http://www.braylorspapillons.com/dianeped.htm

    This dog is just breathtaking in real life (though he has a lot of coat for my tastes, and he has a blockier head):

    http://www.flashpointpapillons.com/
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    Actually in terms of Forussi dogs, Limbah http://www.forussi.pl/p.Limahl_pl.htm is one of my favorites. I LOVE his head. I generally prefer a tad longer muzzle compared to a shorter blockier head.

    I like this dog's length of leg and coat. Actually on the website, their dogs always look like they have too much coat and I've met 2 in real life, they aren't actually like that.

    For example this dog Bravo looks like he has loads and loads of coat in the photos on their website
    http://www.forussi.pl/p.Bravo_pl.htm

    but in reality he doesn't really look like that. In reality he looks like this. This is him showing recently in Canada. He placed very well He's the 4th Pap in Canada right now and he wasn't shown all that much.




    From what I've seen, the Forussi dogs actually have pretty good length of leg and good light bones in general. I don't like Paps with really heavy bone.

    Edit: I like a lot of Braylor's dog heads as well. They produce more longer/thinner muzzles as well with less stop usually and I like that.

    For example this dog's head I quite like
    http://www.braylorspapillons.com/beamerped.htm

    This guy too
    http://www.braylorspapillons.com/morganped.htm
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    The top dog looks like a dog I know, BIS Ch Gail's on Thin Ice of CL





    Quote Originally Posted by Michiyo-Fir View Post
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    Edit: I like a lot of Braylor's dog heads as well. They produce more longer/thinner muzzles as well with less stop usually and I like that.
    LOL you're telling me.



    Mia's definitely got the longest nose of our 5. I actually like the length, but she's a bit snippy imo. I've talked to Brandi about head type some and it's really up for personal preference. I like a little bit of a thicker head... Nard is pretty close for me really. His ear leather is thin though.

    ETA: God, I'm getting such a thing for the dark hounds... All three of them are just gorgeous! I think it may be because I had shelties for so long and I just love the widow's peak look. I think it adds so much expression to their faces. (Then again I'm biased) I am not a big fan of the lighter hound tris though and you can unfortunately not tell when they're young how dark or light they'll end up. But Merlin, Mia, and that Forussi dog have just the right amount of fading for me.
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    Now I want another Pap.... The dog above, the one in the show photos actually lives pretty close to me right now and has sired quite a few litters recently including 2 for Nia's breeder. I want one of his pups

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    I always want another pap. I have 5 and I still would like another couple (phalene, traditional tri, and a black and white)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurelin View Post
    Overall he's nice but there's a few nitpicks I have about him. He looks really short in the leg to my eyes and his ears look weak (like my Bernard's). They flop in a little like Bernards, which is sometimes a sign of cartilage that is too thin. Ears are too small and set too high as well (like Beau's, but this dog is fringed better) His head actually reminds me a lot of Nard's. Muzzle seems a touch long imo.

    I like this dog much much better:

    http://www.forussi.pl/p.Limbo_en.htm

    That dog is stunning! Great headpiece, great angle and shape on the ears. Gorgeous expression. Nice build from the looks of it too and great tail set. and I adore the heavily colored coat too.

    LOL
    I think I agree with you on this dog. Although I liked the head on the previous dog, I really liked the shape of his muzzle even if it was a tiny bit too long. I took a closer look and definitely agree with you on the ears.

    However, weirdly enough I just looked through the 2 dogs again and I saw that the first dog Keno, won a lot more shows than Limbo did. He had titles left, right and center.

    I wonder if Limbo was shown limitedly or the breeders thought he was of lesser quality?


    Edit: I'm surprised with 5 Paps you have 4 sables though! Did you always just pick the sable puppy or luck just ended up that way? The most popular and common colors produced around my area are always traditional Tris. Very few sables are produced. I'm actually pretty surprised I ended up with a sable dog. Especially a darker one like Nia because there aren't any in the lines around here. I prefer a lighter sable over a dark one though.

    Hound tri is my favorite color, I don't care about how dark or light they are, I think they're just gorgeous. Mia is just so adorable! <3 I like traditional tris quite a lot too.

    I like Mia's overall type. Her nose is a bit too extreme in length and snippy but overall she looks really good. Beau is so cute and funny but in terms of type he's not really my preference. I think he's too blocky/heavily built for my taste. But I don't like Nia's head 100% either. I think it's looking a bit better in the last year or so but I thought she had a little too much stop and dome to her head. It could be me getting used to it though. I wouldn't mind a little bit more angular and pointier muzzle either but the length is good imo.

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    Beau's breeder just almost always produces sables so that's what we got. Mia's breeder has a lot of hounds and sables mostly, so I was glad to get a hound. We did have a traditional tricolor at one point but we lost him as a puppy. He was gorgeous and I'd love another one day.

    Overall I like Nard's head the best but I really like Beau's build. It's hard to see in pictures and especially since he's never groomed up like he was. He is solidly built. Very tight and compact, perfectly level topline. He's gained a little weight since his neuter this summer so he's on a diet but he's usually super muscled. My biggest complaints are his head type, it's blockier but he's got a lot of English lines in him so it's expected. He's got so-so ears, nothing spectacular. His tail is way too tight too. But he is put together very very nicely. We could have easily specialed him if we'd wanted. He finished in just a few shows with two back to back 5 points at the regional specialty.

    When he was all done up for show:



    We actually took the time to grow fringe on him too (he's a hard fringe keeper)



    Nard is built nicely too but he's a bit less solid. It would help if he'd ever gain weight but he's just so skinny all the time. Rose is short in the back and I'm not fond of her stop at all. Her head is very wedge shaped. Mia's body is nice but her head is snippy, which I don't like. And poor Summer... she's roached a bit and has short wavy hair. I don't like Summer's body as much as the others. It's very lanky and long, but she's still very athletic. summer was never show quality though but the other 4 are (I bought Mia on a spay contract instead and Rose failed showing)
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    I think out of all of your Paps, I like Mia's amount of bone and build the best. She has a bit longer legs as well it seems. Beau is a little too heavily built for my taste. I think it could be that he has so much hair now and it's hard to tell. He looks good in the show photos from a couple years ago.

    Nard would probably look pretty good if he gained some weight but overall, Nard is a really nice dog, I like his type a lot too. I remember you said he was going to be shown, has he started yet?

    Nia was supposed to be "show quality" but I don't see how she should've been because she is a tad butt high and her front is not very good. Plus her personality wouldn't suit the show ring one bit. Her breeder did want to keep her and grow her out though. Guess she never grew out the way that was expected But lucky for me I have her now

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    omg some of these pictures are just amazing! I mean really great quailty photos of just beautiful pooches
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    Thank you ama! Your puppy is gorgeous too.

    Mia doesn't have enough bone to me honestly! I call her toothpick legs. Her legs are very thin. Beau's coat is unruly these days and it tends to stick out like a fro. He's actually very moderate and not very stocky. His head type is very thick and large (we call him Brain like from Pinky and the Brain). He's solid, but not a really stocky dog. It's hard unless you really get to put your hands on them, but Beau's really put together the best of the five.



    Here's some more pics of Beau from when he was showing.











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    just stunning! I have dreams of having a dog with fur more beautiful then my own hair ( yea its just gorgeous * blows hair out of face and throws it in a bun*)

    Saddly though I don't my husband could ever deal with that kind of shedding , I always wanted a border collie, but until I can RUN those two miles a day I wouldn't even consider it lol.
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    Crystal really doesn't shed much. I think it varies, though... her breeder complains about how she has to sweep/vacuum constantly or else she might as well buy more crates for the hairballs and start naming them. She has six dogs right now, though!

    I don't know if this book has been mentioned at some point in this loooooong thread, but Crystal's breeder has a hardcover copy of "The Complete Illustrated Standard for the Papillon and Phalene" and I was looking through it last time I was over. It is an awesome book. The photos and illustrations (of which there are tons) are gorgeous and it explains everything to do with every part of the papillon and phalene. I think she had to have it shipped over from England. I'm kind of coveting it, even though I don't breed and don't need a copy, heh! Here are some examples of the pages.

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    That's interesting! I like this page about the topline and the note about overcoating on the bottom: http://www.nouveaupaps.co.uk/standards11.htm
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    Beautiful Paps, people!
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    My boyfriend got this calendar:

    http://www.calendars.com/Papillons/T...r/prod1289958/

    And we were flipping through till (I think) August when I stopped and was like, I've seen this dog before!

    I'd say someone on here is a model, but I'm at work and can't flip through 64 pages of thread trying to figure out where I've seen it before. Does anyone recognize their dog, or their dog's twin here?

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    I don't recognize any of them. I will say that July dog looks a lot like my Rose (but rose is prettier lol/jk)
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    I thought the July dog really looks like Nia too O_O Does that mean Rose looks like Nia?

    The hound tri reminds me of a Pap named Jill or Gill or something like that that used to be on here but she's a sable not a hound tri. Barnetto you might be thinking of Willie or Jill?

    LOL July dog has the same sparse ear fringes as Nia

    Thought I'd add a few pics I haven't shared before.

    Nia got a new hair style today. It's called electrify!


    Seriously though..I hate static electricity! Nia's hair is sticking up every which way all the time these days


    You finkz my ear hair be growin? I trying the hardest to made dem grow


    How about now? Dey longer?


    Grow fringes grow! I need to pluck off some of Rose or Nard's fringes and stick it on Nia's ears with super glue

    I wonder if her coat will grow more. I hope so. I need more fluff to squish and snuggle with!
    Eating some sort of dirt or garbage >.>


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    I agree with you Michi, I think that July dog really looks like Mia! And aww I love that last pic of her. PS at least she DOES have fringe!!

    Anyway guys I was wondering if this dog here is a tri or a sable? The masking on his face is making it hard for me to tell:

    http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/....asp?dog=37153
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucidity View Post
    I agree with you Michi, I think that July dog really looks like Mia! And aww I love that last pic of her. PS at least she DOES have fringe!!

    Anyway guys I was wondering if this dog here is a tri or a sable? The masking on his face is making it hard for me to tell:

    http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/....asp?dog=37153
    Not entirely sure, but I'd guess that dog is sable, with a really big black mask, like Rose. Every tri-color I've seen tends to have tan in the ears, and sable dogs tend to get black ears. Does that make any sense?

    I'm not sure if sable dogs tend to have black on their backs, though, which that dog seems to have.


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