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    Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    Hello,

    New to this forum. My wife and I got a new puppy 3.5 weeks ago. He is a Husky mixed with Mastif we think. He is now 24 lbs. The shelter we got him from gave him 1st round of shots. Immediately after we bought him we had our vet check him out. 2 weeks ago he got his second round of shots and 1st borditella. A few days later he had greenish yellowish discharge from his nose. Our vet was closed for the weekend so we took him to emergency pet care. They diagnosed it as an upper respiratory infection and perscribed dioxicilion (7 days). Almost a week later, (this past friday night) about 9PM he started shaking. He is having stomach spasms. He has not been eating or drinking as much. Yesterday after this had gone on for 12 hours my wife took him to the emergency pet care again. She said the vet did a very thorough check, listening to his lungs, take his temp, and touching and feeling his stomach. Evidently the infection is still there, so they perscribed him amoxicillion(7 days). The vet said that it's common for large breed pups to have these "stomach hiccups" especially as they go through a growth spurt. His back legs did get a little longer this past week. His stomach has been twitching and spasming for about 36 hours straight. They have not stopped. We already have a lab/chow. My wife are I are no strangers to med/large breed dogs. I have never heard of this. The vet at emergency care said that he looked happy and healthy. He called these hiccups even thought they do not come up the throat or into the mouth. We have been diligent about giving him the meds. I know he is not shaking because he is scared and we don't think that he is cold. When possible we try to wrap him with blankets just to be sure. This is the first time we have seen this. I think it does disrupt his sleep. He seems to have a hard time finding a comfortable position. His stool is solid and looks normal.

    Has anyone seen this? Is this common? We really just are not sure what to do. The spasms just seem to be more than "stomach hiccups"

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    Re: Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    It's hard to say without seeing it, but I have to say that Cracker had mega hiccups all the time when she was a puppy. Hiccups look/sound different than with us because of our upright stature.
    If he didn't have a fever and is still eating (when he's not hiccuping...hiccuping makes eating hard to do) etc I would give it a day or two.
    BTW dogs also have growing pains, just like human kids, but go with your gut. If you think you need a second opinion go get one.
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    Re: Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    I have seen Aston with hiccups before, they just sound and feel different than this. The hiccups have been non stop since friday night 9PM. No fever, his temp was 101. We have no options until Monday when our vet opens. There is only one emergency pet clinic here. All vet offices close by 5Pm and all weekend long.
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    Re: Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    The nasal discharge and the stomach spasms make me think of Distemper. Check his temperature. It should be around 100-101 degrees.

    Even though may have been vaccinated for it, dogs can still get it if exposed to it in high amounts. Some breeds, esp Huskies (according to my vet) may never develop a full immunity to it.
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    Re: Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    My wife called the emergency clinic this morning to express our concern. Aston is very uncomfortable. They are sticking to their diagnosis of "hiccups". Hiccups just doesn't sound right to us, at least not when they lat 36 hours straight. His stomach spasms constantly. Hiccups are usually in rhythm. I guess if it continues tomorrow I will talk to our regular vet and see what they recommend.

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    So after a day at our regular Vet. Aston has a mild case on pnemonia. Some gastrointestonal distress and gas that is trapped in there. They had to do X-Rays. They did take blood samples and are testing for distemper just to be safe. The Vet is pretty sure that distemper can be ruled out. The perscription for Reglan and Gas-X to help relieve gas and pressure, temperarily use of vet diet food to reduce gas. Also there was an ear infection. The vet at the emergency clinic satruday said we could stop rx ear cream and use alcohol with Q-tips. our regular vet "vetoed" that and gave us another perscription for ear medicine.

    The "vet" saturday was a miss for 3 for 3. Spending $130 satruday pisses me off enough. But the gross misdiagnosis of all of these issues is what really boils my blood. The look on our vets face and even the techs face when they saw him and I explained that we were told that they were "hiccups" and to use alcohol to clean his ears that he was "fine" said enough. If we had not questioned his "prefssional opinion" the pup may have died from pnemonia. We are still waiting on the results from the blood tests, but in my experience, this guy (from the visit sat.) has no business examining our pets. I know you might say that conditions may have changed. The visible symptoms did not. and this morning his nose was nearly completely clogged with discharge makeing breathing very difficult. What angers me the most is that our pup sat here in pain, and uncomfortable for 3 days. The clinic vet said that he was not in pain. With some help from our regular vet and pain meds he is now sleeping for the first time in over 3 days.

    Lesson is: question everything. You know your pet, if something doesn't seem right get a second opinion ASAP.

    Thanks for reading my rant.

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    Poor little guy. Hopefully he'll be feeling better soon. good for you, that you went with your gut that something wasn't right.
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    Re: Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    hope your fur baby feels better soon
    the em clinic should have a bord of directers i would wright to them and tell them what happend we have a bad em clinic also they charge way to much and dont know what they are doing
    keep us posted
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    FX4, I'm so glad you followed your gut and you are getting your pup treated. Poor guy.
    You CAN report the other vet to your Provincial or State Veterinary Association if you wish, it is important that veterinarians, as medical professionals, be held to a high standard and this is what these associations are for.

    I hope your little guy is feeling better soon.
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    Last night Aston woke me up at 330AM have difficulty breathing. One nostril was completely block with crusting discharge. the other was 50% clogged. It took me 20 minutes to clean it out so he could breath better. His spasms were back but not as pronounced as they had been. After cleaning his nose I took him out for a bathroom walk. By 6AM discharge was building again. He spent all day in at the vet today and is now hospitalized in isolation. Our vet did some research and called the rescue kennel where we got him. Their "puppy room" was full of distemper. Only one pup has survived. Fortunate for us, Aston and his siblings were with the adult dogs because of their large size. They were able to contact one of his siblings owners, his little sister has no signs of health problems. The other siblings owners has not been contacted yet. Due to the distemper with several pups from this kennel Aston's distemper test has now been sent overnight. We should get the results by friday at the latest. Right now he is on IV for fluids as he was becoming dehydrated. Also our vet decided to up his doasge of Clavomox. His Rx was for a 20lb dog. He weighs 24lbs. His temp did go up a little today. Our vet said that he was on the high side of normal at 102.3 then by noon it was at 102.8. She said his spirits are still high, he wags his tail and comes to the front of his cage when the girls go back to check on him. As bad as it sounds, I am hopefull it's a case of Pnemonia and not Distemper. All we can do now is wait.

    The maker of the distemper vaccine that the kennel that rescued him is paying for the distemper test. But overnight treatment with IV and other tests and radiographs will be at least $400 through friday. Although he had no high temps or fever until this morning, I still feel that the em vet should have had a clue that these were spasms and not hiccups and may be caused by a larger underlying health issue.

    Big thanks to spotted nikes!!! because you mentioned distemper, I did some research for the symptoms and asked the vet if there was any possibility. Yesterday they took enough blood for the distemper test, so we decided to send it for testing even though we were pretty certain it was not distemper. Thanks to this forum!

    I hate to cost anyone their job. But as I said if we had listened to his "professional opinion" and not questioned it. Things could be a lot worse. My wife spent all afternoon throwing all dogs toys away and washing all blankets, bedding, bowls etc all while crying because there's nothing we can do, and we can't even see him. There's nothing worse than a tense waiting period. My wife feels like the em clinic just saw $$$ when she walked through the door.

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    This is one time that I REALLY hope I am wrong.

    I'll keep you and your puppy in my prayers. I lost a dog to Distemper even though he was vaccinated. I used to take him to the barn where I had my horse. A boarder there would bring her dog, and let him come up to my stall/paddock area and play with my dog. She knew her dog had Distemper, and still brought him, never saying anything to me. Only after my dog died, did I find out that she had known her dog had it. I was ready to kill her.
    My dog had spasms of his hind end and abdomen. Eventually they made him so weak he couldn't get up. It was heartbreaking.

    I truly hope that it is just pneumonia and he gets well quickly. It's awful when one of our "babies" is sick.
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    Re: Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    That's about where his spasm were. Our vet said that looking at the radiography he did have a lot of gas in him. I'm really hoping thats the cause for the spasms. The vet also said that he was not displaying some of the usual symptoms of Distemper, meaning total larthargy and neurological (spelling?) issues.

    Thanks for your prayers, much appriciated.

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    Just checking to see how Aston is doing...
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    Aston is doing great. The discharge from the eyes and nose has turned from greenish to milky/clear. Has no been caughing or hacking. He is eating 1/2 can of food 3x per day. drinking OK. Temp is back to normal Still finishing the last bag of IV. Spirits are up. We choose to leave him at the vet for 1 more night just be sure so that they could watch him as they have the means and knowledge. Distemper results came back negative, YAY!! Reports did show that he was vacinated. Vet checked to see what the odds were of a false neg. She feels pretty confident to say that it was a good test and odds of a false negative are very slim. Vet still is not sure what to make of the spasms. The tech watching him last night said that he did have a breif seizure where he picked his head up at a wierd angle, snapping at the air, but did not seem responsive. Has not displayed anything like that all day today, and to the best of my knowledge that was the first time.

    All signs are looking good, vet said we could run additional tests but we don't know what to look for (for the spasms). At least they are not as bad as they were monday when he first came in.

    He is on eye ointment, ear cream, dioxocycline, clavamox, gas-x, reglan... I think that's it. It looks like some viral or bacterial illness.

    I will pick him up tomorrw afternoon. What a week.

    The vet that has been working with him even came in on her day off yesterday morning just to check on him. She even told the girls at the front desk if they results for the distemper came in early (yesterday) to call her and she would come in. She may not know what the spasms are from, but I think she has gone above and beyond for our pup. She has been pretty good about calling with updates too. This is all far more than I can say for the twirp that evaluated him last saturday.

    Thanks for the prayers and concerns.

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    glad to see things are looking better thanks for the update
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    Ohhh, so VERY happy he is doing better and it's not Distemper!!!!
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    ugggggg.. 2 hours after I brought him home he wass back at the vet. His feet are spasming and padeling. Of caorse they were getting ready to close for the weekend. But the vet checked him out again. They think something neurological causing his muscles to twitch. They don't know what. She gave him an anti inflamitory, but no steriod because that might make it difficult for his immune system to kick the virus. If the spasms continue we may have to see a neuraologist......Of coarse the closest one would be 2.5 hours away.... Let's see what happens over the weekend.

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    Oh no. I'm sorry, especially after he was seeming to rally. Sending good thoughts your way.....
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    Have they tested for tick-borne diseases. See this link-
    http://www.mirage-samoyeds.com/tick.htm
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    Re: Stomach spasms Hiccups?

    Thanks for the link. He has some of the symptoms, but only the ones I listed. I'm guessing they probably won't display all symptoms listed on that site. I doubt they have tested for that, but I will ask the vet monday or if she happens to call over the weekend.

    Aston can't even sleep right now, the discomfort and spasms now in his legs bother him too much.

    The vet did just call and said that Very high doses of clavamox can cause "neurological symptoms" but said it was not specified if that could be the spasms that Aston has. We are going to try reducing his does of the clavamox for the weekend and see if that eases the spasms any. Guess we're not out of the woods yet, and it looks to be a long weekend for my wife and I.

    If there are any Vets out there please weigh in. Thanks for the ideas so far.

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