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    Unhappy too pregnant??

    I will start off by saying I am a breeder, and have been for just over 2 years. I own 5 females, so do have some experience. Having said that....
    My little 4.5 lb Yorkie girl is pregnant with her 2nd litter. Daddy is also 4.5 lbs.

    Their 1st litter she had 2 large babies (5.1 & 5.7 oz) and had a hard time delivering. She eventually managed, but it was very hard on her.

    This time (13 months later) we made sure they had several (4) ties in 4 days to be certain she had a larger litter & smaller puppies.

    My concern is that she may be too pregnant if there is such a thing?

    She gained 1 lb 12 oz's by day 63 with last pregnancy & was absolutely huge.
    This time she has already gained 2 lbs 3 ounces & her belly is so stretched and tight she can't even reach back to clean herself anymore. (hasn't been able to for a few days)
    Here's our delema & why I am starting to freak out... she's only on day 43!!
    Not only have I never seen a female get this big before... and certainly never so early! My one 8 lb girl had 5 babies & she was no where near this big until the last few days.
    I can't even imagine her going another day, but she has 20 more to go!!!

    I'm really worried about her going into labour too soon for the babies to live... but I'm also quite worried about her too!
    I've not changed her diet at all yet, and I'm a bit scared to give her any extras right now. She's already gaining an average of almost 2 oz's a day now as is.
    Has anyone else ever experienced this problem before, and can anyone give me some advice???
    I realize bigger dogs can be so big their bellies practically drag, but this is a teeny tiny dog that is quickly aproaching double her own weight.
    Please... I am really getting nervous & can't even sleep over this.

    Here is a before pregnancy pic of Lilly & another taken yesterday.
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    Re: too pregnant??

    She needs a vet. Now.
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    Re: too pregnant??

    Without sounding silly here... can you offer me any answers?
    What I mean is, what can a vet possibly do?
    At this point she is doing just fine.. asside from not being able to clean herself.
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    Re: too pregnant??

    Poor girl....she must be exhausted. I'm sorry I have no experience breeding dogs, and cannot offer you any suggestions.

    Do you have an experienced mentor that can help you?
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    Re: too pregnant??

    ok... just called the emergency vet line. Here was my response from him:
    Dogs don't 'generally' carry litters to big for their bodies, and if I'm really concearned... bring her in. However he doesn't advise I do so unless I absolutely feel it's needed, since the stress of the car ride could put her into premature labour. Now what???

    Yes, she is getting pretty uncomfortable already. I just wish there was something I could be doing for her to help her get through this.
    No, unfortunately no one I know has ever had this problem before.
    I can't find anything on the net about this issue iether, or I wouldn't even be asking. I'm wondering if anyone has ever heard of any serious complications with a dog carrying too many pups... or getting too large?
    The vet was quite abrupt & obviously not a lot of help.
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    If she's that big already, something is definitely not right. I'd be concerned for the risk of uterine rupture. An over stretched uterus can't contract well enough to be effective in delivering vaginally. At the very least a c-section is probably on the calender.
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    Yes, there is something you can do. After this litter, please spay her. For her health and safety. If you really did your homework and is knowledgeable about breeding, you should be prepared to situations like this and already have answers for the "what ifs".
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    If you don't think a trained medical professional can help your dog, what can an anonymous forum do having never even seen your dog?

    Furthermore, though this is beyond the scope of the topic at hand...as this is your dog's second troublesome litter, please spay her afterward, if she manages to survive. Also, seek out an experienced mentor and a vet well versed in canine reproduction before continuing to put your other dogs' lives at risk as well.

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    A vet could take x-rays to count the pups and see how big they are, although I am not sure how far along they have to be for that. I would contact your vet as well as a local Yorkie group and get in contact with some other good breeders and ask their advice. I agree that she should be spayed after this litter as it is her second troublesome litter. Good luck, keep us updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudra View Post
    Yes, there is something you can do. After this litter, please spay her. For her health and safety. If you really did your homework and is knowledgeable about breeding, you should be prepared to situations like this and already have answers for the "what ifs".
    Excuse me? First off, I've done my homework... and then some. My Mother was a breeder of Shih-Tzu's for 18 years. My husband bred Alaskan Malamutes for 9 years, and I know several more breeders.
    This has absolutely nothing to do with having done my homework. If it were such a comon issue, then why would no one I know... not even the vet I spoke with have a clue about it? This is most definately not something someone can prepare for & I truly don't appreciate the implications.
    My own vets (both of them) are not open right now... or I would obviously be calling for their oppinions.
    I came to this forum asking for advice, certainly not to be ridiculed.
    My Yorkies are registered purebreds, and I breed for all the same reasons any show breeder does... to better the breed!
    The reason (in case it wasn't obvious enough for you) this little girl had a difficult birth the first time... was the litter size being too small. This caused over sized puppies. She did deliver them on her own, but as I stated... it was not an easy delivery for her.
    Hence why we tried for a larger litter this time round.
    Obviously if this time is a difficult birth I would opt to spay her! I'm not cruel enough to put her through this again Yeesh!
    The question was not what to do after... but what to do for her now!
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    you say you breed to better the breed if this is true what kind of titles do your dogs have that make them worthy of breeding. And yes you need to take her to the vet ASAP and have xrays done to see how many there are. You should of have some kinda plan with you vet to begin with for these just in case types of situations. At the very least a E-number to call. Has your vet even looked at the bitch since she was breed? And you say your not cruel enough to put her through this again but it seems even after the first difficult delivery you have done just that! As to what to do for her right now you need to find a way to have the vet look at her either they come to you or you go to them....................
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    Quote Originally Posted by sw_df27 View Post
    you say you breed to better the breed if this is true what kind of titles do your dogs have that make them worthy of breeding. And yes you need to take her to the vet ASAP and have xrays done to see how many there are. You should of have some kinda plan with you vet to begin with for these just in case types of situations. At the very least a E-number to call. Has your vet even looked at the bitch since she was breed? And you say your not cruel enough to put her through this again but it seems even after the first difficult delivery you have done just that! As to what to do for her right now you need to find a way to have the vet look at her either they come to you or you go to them....................
    Geeze, you sure aren`t making this seem a very friendly forum. You should really take some time & figure out why you belong to a forum... is it to offer helpful advice & learn as well... or to be critical & nasty to those you feel are benieth you
    As I stated, it was the middle of the night & MY vets weren`t open. Thought I might come on line and ask since it was bothering me so much I couldn`t sleep... and not able to find the answers on my own. I didn`t realise asking a for some advice would cause so much hostility.
    Just for your benefit... 3 of my girls come from champion lines, and the other 2 are from reputible breeders that do not show. Not that that has anything to do with the question I was asking
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    Re: too pregnant??

    This is going to get ugly fast, so I'm closing it.

    There are a handful of breeders on this forum. Most of us are not and assume that anyone actually breeding would know a lot more than we do.

    My apologies to the OP, but trust me when I tell you I'm closing this for your own protection.
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