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    Unhappy Oh NO i think my 6 month old Scottish Terrier is pregnant! HELP.

    I really need help right now. I dont know if my 6 month old Scottish Terrier is pregnant or not. I take her to a free leash park where most dogs are not superviced all the time. I been taking her because i have NOT seen any signs of her being in heat. She is almost 7 months old and i still dont see any signs of her being in heat.

    These are the symtoms i see on her right now. She licks and scratches her private area a lot. Drinks lots of water, gotten more picky with foods. Her tummy has seen to gotten a bit bigger just a bit.

    I have pictures but dont know how to post them here. If you need to see them please please email me thanks so much.
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    Get her to a vet and get her xrayed, if she is pregnant, you can still get her spayed so you don't end up with a litter. If not, get her spayed so you don't end up with a litter.
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    But if she is already pregnant and i get her Spay what will happend? That will immediatly like abort the litter? I was hoping to breed her in the future at the age of 2 with my friend's Poodle but i dont know whats going to happen now. I might be wrong.
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    Oh, it's also possible that he has Pyometria, a sever uterine infection which can kill her so get her to the vet ASAP!!!!!
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    WHY IN THE H***ould you make MORE mixed breed dogs to end up in the pound!!!!! PLEASE watch this video so you can see what you are contributing to!!!
    http://www.brightlion.com/InHope/InHope.aspx
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    Ummm i love my dog and is because i have family who had already told me they wanted a puppy, they are also good for people with allergies. Guess they dont deserve to have a dog either.

    Yeah ill get her to the VET but i dont think that is what she has.
    She might have some flea parasites?
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    Breeding for your family is not a good excuse. If they want a good hypoallergenic dog they can go the the pound and pick out a dog that needs a home instead of breeding mixes. I'm sorry, but you won't find supprt among most people here for what you want to do. I work with rescue and see dogs on death row everyday, most do not deserve to be there but are not wanted and rescues don't have room for them all, but we do all we can. Most of those dogs just need someone to love them and give them training to be great pets. Most all come from well meaning people like you who decide for one reason or another to breed. The only GOOD reason to breed is to improve a purebred line. This means health testing (for hip dysplacia, elbow problems eye problems and other genetic disorders) showing to be sure the dog is conformationally correct, and temperment evaluations, which pretty much takes all the profit out of a litter. Also, a good breeder will not breed animals until they are at least two to be sure these tests are certified first. 6 or 7 mos is like allowing a 12 year old human getting pregnant and is just as risky for the bitch and the pups.
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    I understand. I have people that do support me in my other forum, there farm people probably have the space to raise and own dogs anyways. But they say dogs are like humans so if they are not Spay and Neuter they tend to breed and to let them do what comes naturaly. Not I DONT want to breed Nena so young and if i do she will be two years old and tested. Both dogs will be tested before breeding takes place. Nena just seems so be silly right now i will get her to the VET soon.

    I dont believe she is pregnant anymore since you told me she can have Pyometria can you explain the symtoms of that illness please? She has not even had her first heat cycle yet, not that ive seen.
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    Pyo would mean a spay, There are two types, closed and open, open pyo there would be a smelly discharge, possibly some swelling in the tummy. Closed, which is worse, has few symptoms other than a swollon belly in the later stages. Either will end any hope of pups. Pyo is always a possibility after a heat and yes, you may not have noticed a first heat as they are often light and short.
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    Ok thanks, ummm her urine is the same as it always has been. She has gotten picky with food maybe because she ate some table food? Yes it was ok food felt out of my plate.

    Do you think that since she has fleas the scratching and licking can be from parasites? She is NOT infested with fleas is just a couple since we go to the dog park a lot. Ive also notice small worms in her poo seem like roundworms or hookworms regular ones puppies usually have.

    I will probably try give her a bath with Flea shampoo also get her some worm medicine and Fronline for Fleas as well. Do you think this would be good?
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    ATTENTION ALL NOVICE POTENTIAL BREEDERS!!

    SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER? - Breeding the female
    So you want to breed your female. You know what to expect if everything goes right. Your little girl will present you with tiny bundles of joy. She will lovingly nurse them and care for them until they are old enough to be weaned.

    You and your family will find great joy in watching and playing with these little dolls, and then when the time is right they will all (or maybe you keep just one) go off to special homes to live out their lives as cherished companions. But have you given consideration to what if something goeswrong? I have listed here a few of the problems that I myself have personal knowledge of. Everything listed has happened either to me or someone I know. These are not isolated incidents. I'm sure other breeders could add miles to my list. Learn by others mistakes!. Let the breeding up to those who know what they are doing, have the experience, know what to expect.

    WHAT IF DURING THE BREEDING


    The stud dog you have chosen is carrying a venereal disease and gives it to your female. She not only doesn't conceive but you have to pay the vet bills to get her infection cleared up and she is now sterile.
    The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. Once the two dogs are joined tightly in a tie, he decides to chase the neighbors cat out of his yard. He bolts for the cat ripping his penis loose and causing your bitch to hemorrhage from within.
    Your modest girl decides she doesn't want the attentions of this gigolo mutt chosen for her without her consent. She snaps at him catching her tooth on his loose cheek and rips it open sending blood flying everywhere. He retaliates by sinking his teeth into her left eye.
    You leave your dog with the stud owner because the breeding is not going very swiftly. In fact , it's been three hours and nothing is happening. The stud owners leave the two dogs alone in the back yard. The dogs get out through a tiny hole in the fence and a truck hits your female.
    You pay the $250-$1000 stud fee up front figuring you will make that and more back when the pups sell. The breeder guarantees the stud service to work or you can come back again. After 2 months you discover it didn't work and now must wait another 4 months to try again. Of course it doesn't work again, so in another 4 months you take your dog to another male and risk loosing another stud fee.
    You get her bred. Bring her home. She bothers you so you let her out she is still in heat and still receptive to males. You hear a commotion outside there is your girl tied up with the neighborhood mutt. when she whelps there will need to be DNA tests done on the pups.
    You get her bred. Bring her home and let her out. (She is still in heat and receptive to other males) but you do not see the neighborhood mutt breed her. The pups are born but look odd. You call the stud owner he suggests DNA testing (At your expense). You have a litter of mutts! What do you do about the ones you have already sold?
    Or knowing she tied with the neighborhood mutt you decide to terminate the pregnancy and try again being more careful next time. But a few weeks later your female is very sick because you had her given a miss-mate shot creating a hormonal imbalance causing a uterine infection and now she has Pyometra and needs a complete hysterectomy. All plans of getting a litter is gone and your female's life is now in danger if she does not have the operation.
    WHAT IF DURING THE BIRTH


    The puppies are too large for the female. She never goes into labor, the puppies die and she becomes infected by the decaying bodies.
    The puppies are coming breech and they drown in their own sacks before they can be born.
    The first puppy is large and breech. When it starts coming your female starts screaming, and before you can stop her she reaches around, grabs the puppy in her teeth and yanks it out killing it instantly.
    A puppy gets stuck. Neither your female nor you can get it out. You have to race her to the vet. The vet can't get it out either. She has to have an emergency caesarian section of course it is 3:00 am Christmas day.
    A puppy is coming out breech and dry (the water sack that protects them has burst). It gets stuck. Mom tries to help it out by clamping her teeth over one of the back legs. The head and shoulders are firmly caught. Mom pulls on the leg, hard, peeling the flesh from the leg and leaving a wiggling stump of bone.
    A dead puppy gets stuck in the birth canal, but your female is well into hard labor. She contracts so hard trying to give birth that her uterus ruptures and she bleeds to death on the way to the vet.
    WHAT IF DIRECTLY AFTER THE BIRTH


    The mother has no idea what to do with a puppy and she drops them out and walks away, leaving them in the sack to drown.
    The mother takes one look at the puppies, decides they are disgusting droppings and tries to smother them in anything she can find to bury them in.
    The mother gets too enthusiastic in her removal of the placenta and umbilical cord, and rips the cord out leaving a gushing hole pulsing blood all over you as you try in vain to stop the bleeding.
    Or, she pulls on the cords so hard she disembowels the puppies as they are born and you have a box full of tiny, kicking babies with a tangle of guts the size of a walnut hanging from their stomachs. Of course all the babies must be put to sleep.
    What if because of some Hormone deficiency she turns vicious allowing no one near her or the babies, who she refuses to nurse, or you have to interfere with.
    You notice something protruding from her vagina when you let her out to pee. You take her to the vet to discover a prolapsed uterus, which needs to be removed.
    WHAT IF WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR


    One or more of the puppies inhaled fluid during birth, pneumonia develops and death occurs within 36 hours.
    What if the mother's milk goes bad. You lose three of your four puppies before you discover what is wrong. You end up bottle feeding the remaining pup every two hours, day and night. After three days the puppy fades from infection and dies.
    The puppies develop fading puppy syndrome you lose two. You bottle-feeding or tube feeding the last remaining baby. It begins to choke and despite your efforts to clear the airway, the pup stiffens and dies in your hands.
    Your female develops mastitis and her breast ruptures.
    Your female develops a uterine infection from a retained placenta. Her temperature soars to 105. You race her to the vet, he determines she must be spayed. He does the spay in an attempt to save her life, you pay the hundreds of dollars bill. The infection has gone into her blood stream. The infected milk kills all the puppies and the bitch succumbs a day later.
    All the puppies are fine but following the birth the female develops a hormone imbalance. She becomes a fear biter and anytime anyone tries to touch her she viciously attacks them.
    Mom and pups seem fine, the puppies are four weeks old and are at their cutest. However, one day one of the puppies disappears. You search everywhere but you can't find it. A few days later another puppy is gone. And another. You can't figure how on earth the puppies are getting out of their safe 4' x 4' puppy pen. Finally there is only one puppy left. The next morning you find the mother chomping contentedly on what is left of the last murdered puppy.
    WHAT IF THE NEW HOMES AREN'T SO HAPPY


    You give a puppy to a friend. Their fence blows down so they tie the puppy outside while they go to work. A roving dog comes along and kills the puppy. Your friend calls you up to tell you about the poor little puppy and asks when you are having more puppies.
    You sell a puppy to an acquaintance. The next time you see them you ask how the puppy is doing. They tell you that it soiled their new carpet so they took it to the pound
    You sell a puppy to a friend (you give them a good price and payments). They make a couple of tiny payments. Six months later they move to an apartment. They ask you to take it back. You take it back and of course the payments stop. The dog they returned is so shy, and ill mannered from lack of socialization and training it takes you a year of work providing socializing and training to be able to give it away.
    You sell a puppy to a wonderful home. They love her like one of the family. At a vet check done by their vet it is determined that the puppy has a heart murmur. (Your vet found nothing when he checked the puppy before it was sold.) They love their puppy and want the best for her. They have an expensive surgery done. The puppy is fine. They sue you for the medical costs. They win, because you did not have a contract stipulating conditions of guarantee and so as breeder you are responsible for the puppy's genetic health.
    You give a puppy to your mother. She is thrilled. Two years later the puppy starts developing problems. It begins to develop odd symptoms and is suffering. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of tests later it is finally discovered that the dog is suffering from a terminal condition that was inherited. possibly from your female since you know nothing about her family lines.
    One loving home decides your puppy is untrainable, destructive and wants to return the pup and get a full refund, which you have spent on your vet bills.
    One loving couple calls you and is very upset because their pup has crippling hip dysplasia and want to know what you are going to do about it. You have spayed your female so a replacement is out of the question, looks like another refund.
    THE SALE




    this was written by Laura Turner and located at http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder2.html
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    ...Con't.

    You put your ad in the local paper for your pups at the usual price and get only 2 responses and no sales. You cut the pup's price in half and broaden your advertising to 3 other newspapers in which the advertising totals $120.00 a week.
    You get a few more puppy inquiries from people who ask all about health testing you did before breeding and if the pups are registered. You tell them your dogs are healthy and it was enough and that you could get the papers. The callers politely thank you and hang up.
    The pups are now 4 months old and getting bigger , eating alot and their barking is really beginning to annoy the neighbors who call the police who inform you of the $150.00 noise by-law.
    Your neighbors also call the humane society who comes out to inspect the care of your dogs. You pass inspection but end up feeling stressed and harassed.
    You finally decide to give the rest of the litter away but still have to pay the $1200.00 advertising bill and the $600.00 vet bill.
    So you gotta ask yourself: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, "breeder?"

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    Listen to me please. READ this carefully. My family live out in a farm area, which most of them want one of Nenans pups so i WONT even need to advertice or sell them at all! Scotties dont have big litters either. Also both dogs will be TESTED before breeding takes place. I have already introduce Nena to her potential boyfriend Teddy my friend Mini Poodle. Nena wont be have puppies untill both dogs are mature enough. I know what im putting myself into i been trough it before. So leave alone and try to help me with my question yes?

    So umm i believe Nena has some Fleas and thats causing her to have parasites. Im going to bathe her with Flea Shampoo, get her some worm tablets and Frontline for Fleas. Hopefully she will be alright soon.

    PS: She will be checked by a VET.
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    TO BREED OR NOT TO BREED – THAT IS THE QUESTION

    6 months and pregnant...how horrible. It's too bad you didn't consult with a mentor before experimenting with breeding yourself. Good luck to you, I do hope everything turns out ok. It doesn't matter if you live on a farm or not, breeding without improving the breed is simply just silly. And please don't offend all the good farmers out there who have educated themself on animal husbandry. I do hope she will be alright soon. And please, get up to speed on everything you need to expect during birthing. *sigh*
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    You need to take her to the Vet and have her checked out. If she has worms then she needs to be dewormed, and no they will not go away on their own. Over the counter meds do not work as well as the ones given by your vet and she may be infested with more than just roundworms and fleas and will need to be checked out by a vet to know for sure.
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    I guess I just don't get why, with all the risks there are with whelping, you'd risk your dog's life for a litter of mutt puppies.

    You're not improving any breed, and you haven't mentioned showing. You DID mention health checks, but when people 'round here mention "health checks" they're talking about more then a trip to the vet.

    If you go into ANY pound, you find mixes of all kinds. If you want a terrier mix that badly, why not just adopt one? Why not save a life? Why would you want to make more mutts?

    And Curb's right, it doesn't matter where you live: a back yard breeder is a back yard breeder. Regardless.

    In regards to the itching- take your dog to the vet if you are worried. As far as I know, we have one vet tech on here. "Dogged," is the name they go by. I'm not sure if they've posted on here, but if they HAVE, you've gotten the closest thing to medical advice you can get on a dog forum.

    NONE of us can diagnose your dog with out actually seeing it. If you feel like she is pregnant, I WOULD NOT USE A FLEA BATH.

    The chemicals can harm the puppies. I hope you read that carefully, please excuse my sarcasm.

    If you knew half of what you should about whelping, you'd know that already.

    I feel really terribly for your dog. She could live a long, wonderful life as a spayed companion.
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    Smile farm

    i live on a farm so thats not an reason for breeding mixed breed puppies i have 9 dogs i do not have pups i rescue dogs that need me i will be taking 2 dogs to be fixed in the next few weeks and these are purbred dogs and one more after that i love all my dogs but i dont want any of my family to have pups from my dogs i love my dogs to much to put them through that as for farm animals breeding i breed my sheep for food and wool i also have showed my sheep for years i know when i breed and when the lambs will be coming i check on them every 2 hours at lambing time this is the same with our cattle , horses and donkeys we take our breeding of livestock very professionly we are the ones that feed this country we only breed to better the breed i do not think you have listened to one thing that is being said to you about your pups health and that you are not in any way ready to be a breeder of dogs i realy hope your pup makes it through you being selfish
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    Leaving the breeding apart, i dont believe she is pregnant anymore so Curbside can you like NOT jump to conclusions like that please? Thanks. Moving on yeah thanks for everyones help i know what to do now and what NOT. Ill keep you updated. Nena's vet lives two mins away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leila12345666 View Post
    Leaving the breeding apart, i dont believe she is pregnant anymore so Curbside can you like NOT jump to conclusions like that please?
    I'm sorry, but by the title of your post, the descriptions you gave, and your idea of breeding a scottie to poodles, didn't exactly come of as if you were concerned about the probability that your dog was or was not pregnant with mutts or sub-quality animals. Nevertheless, I hope your dog isn't pregnant. I wouldn't want you or your dog in that predicament. Good luck!
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    Leila,
    People are going to get on to you about this because you are NOT being a responsible pet owner MUCH LESS a responsible breeder! Many on here do rescue, I was raised by a responsible breeder and she would have CRINGED at what you are saying. The fact is that 6-8 MILLION dogs and cats enter shelters each year and of those,3-4 MILLION are euthinized you are talking about adding to that. Here are resources I get my numbers from http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affe...estimates.html

    http://www.doghause.com/spay.asp

    One unaltered dog and her offspring can produce 67,000 dogs in 6 years
    This is what you are doing to the pet population, this is why we are so upset!
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