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    i went to get dog lisences today and they wouldn't give them to me, because of improper documentation of my dogs' rabies vaccines. i brought my dogs into the US this summer. Before we left the island, I had to get the dogs vaccinated for rabies and a certificate of good health. This consisted of one sheet of paper per dog, and each paper had a sticker from the vaccine on it. The vaccine they received was a 3 year vaccine, but for some reason, the vet that administered it wrote that it would expire in 1 year. (but maybe he meant that the expiration date of the actual vaccine was in a year, not the dogs' immunity?)

    i brought these same papers (that got my dogs through customs!) to the township office today and they wouldn't take them. they told me i would have to get the dogs re-vaccinated or get a note from my vet saying they didn't need to be.

    i called the vet's office and they told me they couldn't write a note because they weren't the ones that administered the vaccine.

    calling the vet on the island isn't really an option because there are language barriers, he doesn't have a fax machine, and communication by mail to and from the island is highly ineffective.

    is there a danger in just getting the dogs vaccinated for rabies again. My dogs are 1 and 3 yrs old, and they received a 3-yr rabies vaccine in May 2007

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    It's not an optimal situation however, but for reasons that I won't go into, my dog was vaccinated in August 2006, August 2007, and October 2007.

    No harm has come to her. She is now 2-1/2 years old.

    I don't believe in purposely over-vaccinating my dogs but sometimes these things happen. If the dogs have not had problems with shots before I wouldn't worry too much.

    At the shelter where I volunteer we vaccinate every dog before it leaves to be adopted. I'm sure many of those dogs have had vaccines in the not too distant past and they never seem to suffer any ill effects. And I know for a fact that some of the adopted animals get yet another round of shots when taken to their own vets as adoptive owners call because they've lost the vaccination certificates...want to sign the dog up for obedience classes, need the certificate...we tell them it could be up to 2 weeks before they receive it in the mail, and they choose to re-vaccinate the dog yet again so they can sign up for the class before it fills up.
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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    thanks, briteday. i guess i'll just have them get the vaccines again. they are giving them for free this weekend - I just have to pay the cost of the dog license.

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    i agree wtih brite.... its not ideal but what can ya do..... I would try and find some thuja and administer that after the shot a half hour before eating and then again once a a week a half hour before meals for 3 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandMutts View Post
    thanks, briteday. i guess i'll just have them get the vaccines again. they are giving them for free this weekend - I just have to pay the cost of the dog license.
    If you can try to get a simple rabies rather than 4 6 or 7 in one as IF there's going to be a problem the chance is much higher with the multi-vacs

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrissyBz View Post
    If you can try to get a simple rabies rather than 4 6 or 7 in one as IF there's going to be a problem the chance is much higher with the multi-vacs
    rabies vaccines here are almost always given seperately..... I have never seen one given as a multi vaccine....
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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    I have a similar problem. Im bringing my cat home to Hawaii in September this year. She had a 3 yr rabies shot in Feb-2007 but the vet I got it from didnt write the lot number and other vaccine info on my certificate (besides the expiration date and admin date) so Lily might need to redo the whole thing if I cant get a hold of the vet (who has been on sabbatical leave for almost a year now! And I dont know if shes coming back!).
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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Becuase rabies is required by law in almost every state in the union it is also required to be a seperate vaccine and must be administered by a vet.

    Shalva could you explain what Thuja is and what it's supposed to do?

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Quote Originally Posted by animalcraker View Post

    Shalva could you explain what Thuja is and what it's supposed to do?
    not much to say about it.... other than it helps to prevent vaccine related reactions and problems..... I give it to my dogs after all vaccines as recommended by my homeopathic vet..... it helps block the immune supressing aspects of a vaccine and avoid vaccine reactions. it can also be given to human children after their vaccines as well...... there is a great deal of information on the web about Thuja Occidentalis
    although the information I have was given to me by the homeopath..... you can probably learn more than what I know by doing a little research on the full name
    I use thuja 30cc and got it from the homeopathic pet shop in my area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalva View Post
    rabies vaccines here are almost always given seperately..... I have never seen one given as a multi vaccine....
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    Oh. In August(about 2 days before I found out how dangerous it can be Cookie and Ginger were given Rabies and the the lepto/parvo/?/? all on the same day. Luckily we haven't seen any serious side effects although Cookie did have a bad allergic episode not to long after. She chewed he feet raw and bloody. No proof they're connected though as all the dogs were still eating Pedigree at the time. We've since found out that Cookie is allergic to corn.

    He did give it two separate places, one behind her neck and one in the flank.
    I've since talked to my reg vet and she's agreed not to vaccinate unless we're leaving the country.

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrissyBz View Post
    If you can try to get a simple rabies rather than 4 6 or 7 in one as IF there's going to be a problem the chance is much higher with the multi-vacs
    Rabies isn't included in the multi vacs, it's given separately, and is given IM rather than subcutaneously. But, since it (Rabies) is the vaccination most likely to cause a reaction, it's best to give it at least a month before or after any other vaccination.

    My dogs were not given multiple vaccines; one at a time, spaced 4-6 wks. apart. They received their last Rabies vaccination in 2004. They'll probably never again be vaccinated for anything, as they are now 6 yrs. old.

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Quote Originally Posted by poodleholic View Post
    Rabies isn't included in the multi vacs, it's given separately, and is given IM rather than subcutaneously. But, since it (Rabies) is the vaccination most likely to cause a reaction, it's best to give it at least a month before or after any other vaccination.

    My dogs were not given multiple vaccines; one at a time, spaced 4-6 wks. apart. They received their last Rabies vaccination in 2004. They'll probably never again be vaccinated for anything, as they are now 6 yrs. old.
    Are you running titers????? I know a person whose eleven year old dog who had been vaccinated his whole life just came up with a non-existent parvo titer and needed to be revaccinated....
    just a fyi
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    Re-vaccinate 'em. They'll be fine.
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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Thanks everyone I'll be taking them this weekend.

    I looked up some info about thuja. Couple of links here. I think I'll be able to get it at whole foods.

    Shalva, what kind of a dose of the thuja should I give my dogs? They're 65 and 35 lbs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuja_occidentalis

    http://www.herbspro.com/14515/ThujaOccidentalis30C.htm

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandMutts View Post
    Thanks everyone
    Shalva, what kind of a dose of the thuja should I give my dogs? They're 65 and 35 lbs.
    I give my 40 lb puppy one dropper full
    and I give the same dosage to my adult golden retrievers.
    that is just what I do
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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Are you running titers????? I know a person whose eleven year old dog who had been vaccinated his whole life just came up with a non-existent parvo titer and needed to be revaccinated....
    just a fyi

    TY for your concern. I do have my vet run titers, but after a certain age, I don't bother. I've had dogs and cats all of my life (bought my first dog, Betsy, for $.35 when I was 5 yrs. old! LOL) My cats live to be in their late 20s (have a 25-yr. old girl right now), and dogs live to a ripe old age as well. Buddy, the Poodle mix I had prior to getting the Poodles I now have, lived for 20 years and 8 months, and he was at least 2 yrs. old when we adopted him.

    The results from The Rabies Challenge will be very interesting!

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Quote Originally Posted by poodleholic View Post
    TY for your concern. I do have my vet run titers, but after a certain age, I don't bother. I've had dogs and cats all of my life (bought my first dog, Betsy, for $.35 when I was 5 yrs. old! LOL) My cats live to be in their late 20s (have a 25-yr. old girl right now), and dogs live to a ripe old age as well. Buddy, the Poodle mix I had prior to getting the Poodles I now have, lived for 20 years and 8 months, and he was at least 2 yrs. old when we adopted him.

    The results from The Rabies Challenge will be very interesting!

    oh I know...... I am waiting for that as well..... hopefully it will change the rabies guidelines as that is the vaccine that makes me the most nervous when I give it to the dogs.....

    I don't vaccinate often but I run titers every 3 years.....

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    Re: danger in rabies re-vaccinating?

    Rabies is a subcultaneous shot as well, it doesn't have to be administered IM but it can be. My vet (which I'm not putting a lot of stock into because she wasn't sure that my male dog was intact...I thought it was fairly obvious)
    gave it subcultaneously - well actually the Sgt. gave the shots...all at the same time, parvo/distemper/Lepto etc etc, the Bordatella, and the Rabies...but in different areas. He actually pulled some loose skin the back of Smokeys leg to give the rabies one, so it wasn't IM. Also we gave all the animals on the ranch rabies shots ourselves and you can do it either way, though I prefer subcultaneous because it doesn't hurt them as much and you have no possible way of getting it into a vein... (which can mean death with some antibiotics etc)
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