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    Heartworm preventative

    Nola goes in for her heartworm test next month, and I need to make up my mind on what to give her as far as prevention goes. Currently, she's on Heartgard Plus. I'd also like to find some kind of pill for flea control, as pretty much every topical on the market is failing down here. I'm considering:

    Heartgard + Comfortis: $121 every six months
    Most expensive option, but I really like having the option of spacing out giving them to her. Currently she gets flea drops on the first of each month and heartworm prev. on the 15th. I really like spacing it out, so if she every had a reaction I could pinpoint which thing was causing it.

    Sentinel: $56 a year
    I'm unsure of how well this would work, as it only kills flea eggs.

    Trifexis: $89 every six months
    Seems like the best choice financially, but I've heard a few horror stories about it.

    I am not interested in putting on a topical heartworm prev.

    Let me know your thoughts/opinions!

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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    I personally like and have been using the Proheart 6 vaccine. It's every six months and my dog has done well on it, although I've heard many people don't like it. It's also not too expensive, definitely more affordable than some of the ones you listed!

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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    On Chester I currently use the generic Heartguard (Tri-Heart Plus) and topical K9 Advantix for fleas and ticks. Tick protection is important to me since they are common here. I've used this for about 1 year with no problems. I plan to continue this since it has worked the best of all the combos I've tried.

    I previously used the topical Revolution for awhile and then the pill Interceptor plus K9 Advantix (Interceptor is no longer produced)

    On the fosters, I've used:
    Sentinel with no additional topical. Did not protect well against fleas and of course no protection at all against ticks. Could use in combo with K9 Advantix or Frontline Plus per my vet for tick and additional flea protection.

    Trifexis- the active ingredient is the same as in Sentinel (and the no longer produced Interceptor which I used on Chester for a year with no issues). I've used this on 2 dogs for a total of a year and it was good for both HW and fleas. No tick protection.

    My vote if you completely want to avoid topicals is Trifexis. Many of our fosters are on it and no bad reactions, I think most of the bad reactions are due to drug interdiction rather than trifexis alone.
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    Vaccines make me nervous.

    Yeah, I'm debating between the Trifexis and Heartgard + Comfortis. Leaning more toward the second one.

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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    We use liquid Ivomec dosed at 1/10th cc per 20lbs of body weight. The cost is about $3 per year per dog.

    I haven't found anything better than the Seresto collar, which is Advantix in a collar but I believe safer, even though Advantix is very safe.

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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    I really don't want to use just ivermec like that. She's too small, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalianDogz View Post
    We use liquid Ivomec dosed at 1/10th cc per 20lbs of body weight. The cost is about $3 per year per dog.

    I haven't found anything better than the Seresto collar, which is Advantix in a collar but I believe safer, even though Advantix is very safe.
    Oh yeah, I have used Ivomec to treat mange before and know people who use it for HW prevention. The thing that makes me not use it for HW prevention is that the dogs seems to try to spit or slobber it out because it is so bitter and I wouldn't feel confident that they are getting the full and proper dose. For mange at least, they are dosed daily and with a much larger amount.

    The collar is a good idea if the dog doesn't regularly play with dogs or cats (getting mouthed on around the neck where the other pet may be chewing on the collar). I'd probably use that or a similar collar for an only dog. My friends two dogs have worn Preventic collars for a few years no problem.

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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    We use Advantix and Heartguard. Ticks and Lyme Disease are a big problem up here. Frontline majorly failed on the fleas last year, and my cats were getting fleas that were jumping off the dog, so this year we went with the Advantix, and so far, no problem with fleas (knock on wood!). We're also more confident this year that the cats are not going to groom the dog (HAHAHA! in my dreams) so we weren't as worried about the cats ingesting the advantix.

    Sentinel (and program) sterilizes adult fleas so that they can't reproduce, so it makes it so the fleas that are on the dog can't make more fleas, but it doesn't kill or prevent adult fleas from hanging out. I think it works best if you have an infestation and are taking multiple approaches to treat it.

    There's always Capstar for breakthrough fleas. I've known people who give it periodically just to kill any stragglers. Of course it's short acting, so not practical for daily use.
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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaN View Post
    Vaccines make me nervous.

    Yeah, I'm debating between the Trifexis and Heartgard + Comfortis. Leaning more toward the second one.
    I'm generally anti heartworm meds, but if I had to choose between I totally agree, too much sketchy stuff in there that could really screw around with the immune system (as it has to to work)


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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    How high risk of an area are you in??? Since you asked about flee and tick meds that too


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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    Very, very high risk. Not only am I in Florida, my propriety backs up to a creek (mosquito breeding ground). Here it's guaranteed a dog will get heartworms by age 4 if not on year round prevention. Nola's been getting heartworm pills every month since she was 12 weeks old.

    Fleas are also a big issue. My nieghbor has 15 dogs that are infested. Ticks are a concern, but not a huge one.

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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    Ugh in those situations natural alternatives are really enough, definately not the heartworm but the heartworm meds are generally not as bad as some of the flee and tick. I'd try heart guard for the worms, Florida is pretty low risk for flees and especially Lyme and other tick born diseases, I find even chemical options for flees are often useless for flees as well as their natural counterparts, annoying little shits are hard to get out.

    For flees and ticks (it does work for mosquitoes too so if you stop getting Mosquitos with this stuff, heart guard may not be nessesary)
    This is a commonly used insect powder that is composed of a series of all natural insecticides both ancient and new that my family has used for a couple decades almost. It works stunningly for ticks and not only repels them but kills them before they can transmit Lyme. It also works decently for flees and bugs In general but also really well with, mosquitoes, horse and deer flies.
    It's composed of;
    1 part diatomaceous earth ( food grade)
    1 part neem powder
    1 part yarrow powder

    Diatomaceous earth is a substance made of fossilized diatoms, and have very tiny (10-100 micrometers) very sharp granules. It repels bugs for reasons unknown to me, but the reason this powder is used is because the tiny particles rip apart the mucous membrane around insects, and dehydrates them to death within 24 hours, if ingested, as in when it bites your pet I find an adult tick dies in about 10 hours from ingesting it. For this reason it's become a very common ingredient in insecticides, natural and chemical. This is why it's amazing for ticks.

    Neem powder is dried powdered neem leaves, from the neem tree, probably one of the worlds most ancient insecticides and repellants and has been used in India for thousands of years. The powder is mainly used as a repellant but it can also kill when ingested.

    Yarrow is another plant, actually most commonly known as a healer, the plant when placed on deep wounds induces significantly sped up clotting, and healing. The plant though is VERY repellant, the flowers mainly. I'm going to note that in large doses it is toxic to dogs, because a certain member has been giving me shit for it for a while. But first of all this powder isn't being consumed its being dusted into the fur, and second, the ammount nessesary for MILD DIGESTIVE DISTRESS is 1/4-1/2 a cup consumed in a day for a large dog, you shouldn't be using that much powder in 4 months, much less 2 weeks.

    You dust this stuff into your dogs fur on a bi weekly basis and you can even dust your whole house in this stuff to prevent a potential tick infestation.







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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    I don't buy into the natural stuff. I've tried it, and it doesn't work IME. Fleas are a huge risk here, and there have been many cases of Lyme in the last year.

    There is no way I'd even consider taking her off heartworm preventative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaN View Post
    I don't buy into the natural stuff. I've tried it, and it doesn't work IME. Fleas are a huge risk here, and there have been many cases of Lyme in the last year.

    There is no way I'd even consider taking her off heartworm preventative.
    If you have tried natural stuff for flees and ticks its probably those vs essential oils and garlic pills and all that junk, they might help you with one annoying flee in the house but beyond that they are useless. Please look into the ingredients because they are used industrially in insecticides as well. The ingredients are cheap and easy to get, and considering the ammount it can help I really don't see why not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaN View Post
    I don't buy into the natural stuff. I've tried it, and it doesn't work IME. Fleas are a huge risk here, and there have been many cases of Lyme in the last year.

    There is no way I'd even consider taking her off heartworm preventative.
    That's good to hear. People that advise against heartworm prevention show just how ignorant they are. Heartguard and the Seresto Collar are a good combination.

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    Oh yeah, I have used Ivomec to treat mange before and know people who use it for HW prevention. The thing that makes me not use it for HW prevention is that the dogs seems to try to spit or slobber it out because it is so bitter and I wouldn't feel confident that they are getting the full and proper dose. For mange at least, they are dosed daily and with a much larger amount.

    The collar is a good idea if the dog doesn't regularly play with dogs or cats (getting mouthed on around the neck where the other pet may be chewing on the collar). I'd probably use that or a similar collar for an only dog. My friends two dogs have worn Preventic collars for a few years no problem.
    You have big dogs so you could even use Durvet Apple 1.87% paste. One turn of the dosing ring is 4,000 mcgs. So for your dogs is like the liquid at 20lbs body weight. One tube of that paste is $3 and it has 25 doses.

    If you put the liquid Ivomec in apple sauce or melted ice cream the taste is much better and they won't drool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
    If you have tried natural stuff for flees and ticks its probably those vs essential oils and garlic pills and all that junk, they might help you with one annoying flee in the house but beyond that they are useless. Please look into the ingredients because they are used industrially in insecticides as well. The ingredients are cheap and easy to get, and considering the ammount it can help I really don't see why not.


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    Parasitologists have studied all these so called natural flea and tick products and they do not work. Keep in mind any "natural" toxin that kills fleas and ticks is chemically the same as a synthetic one. Some of the most toxic substances on earth are derived naturally from plants and fungi and some animals.

    The difference is that products made for dogs and cats are made in a way that makes the delivery of the product safe and they run toxicology tests to figure out where there is risk in dosing.

    Even holistic practitioners like the well known Dr. Susan Wynn don't recommend herbal flea and tick products or wormers because in many cases they are more dangerous.

    You may not be exposed to heartworm risk or tick diseases but we are in the USA, so keep that in mind.

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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    I use Frontline Tritak for fleas/ticks. It has replaced Frontline Plus, which has stopped being effective. I use Heartgard Plus for heartworm prevention. I'm not sold on any of the pills truly working for fleas, and they don't work for ticks. I don't like the topicals either, but it beats being infested with fleas/ticks, especially since I live in the deep south, where they're really bad year round.
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    Re: Heartworm preventative

    There is a resistance to ivomec and heartworms, particularly in the Mississippi valley area, but south in general.

    I have a total of four dogs positive with heartgard/triheart.

    Also research comfortis with ivomec, there have been reactions. I used it for two years with no problems, but also used ivomec for many years with no issues until recently.

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