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    Question Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    I have recently learned about a snake bite vaccination for dogs. I understand it is a new product and my vet does not know about it yet. We live in an area with copperheads, rattlesnakes, and water mocisins, and we see them regularly on our walk. We are able to spot and avoid them, but we are worried about the one that we will not see. Is there anyone who has heard about this information that could give me some info? We heard about the vaccination from an out of state friend, so it may have not made it to our area yet.

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    Re: Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    I think they're only making it for rattlesnake bite right now.
    http://www.hvjournal.com/articles.ph...ccine_for_Dogs

    http://www.redrockbiologics.com/
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    We've had it at the clinic I'm interning at for two summers now, and the vet I'm working under says she thinks the dogs who have been vaccinated seem to recover more quickly and the vaccine is probably worth a shot (pun intended).

    Your dog will still need immediate veterinary care including hospitalization and fluids, but if it can decrease the hospital visit by even a single day (average stay is 3-4 days around here) WITHOUT side effects (as of yet unknown) then its probably worth it.

    If your dog is high risk, then I would say go for it. For lower risk dogs, then I say wait and see what we learn over the next year or so...

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    Re: Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrtus View Post
    I have recently learned about a snake bite vaccination for dogs. I understand it is a new product and my vet does not know about it yet. We live in an area with copperheads, rattlesnakes, and water mocisins, and we see them regularly on our walk. We are able to spot and avoid them, but we are worried about the one that we will not see. Is there anyone who has heard about this information that could give me some info? We heard about the vaccination from an out of state friend, so it may have not made it to our area yet.
    There's also the option of Snake Avoidance Training. It's not expensive and has protected our dogs as well as ourselves (due to their reactions) from being bitten on several ocassions.

    The training won't protect your dog if he does get bitten, but it will encourage him to sense and avoid snakes before he's close enough for a bite.

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    Re: Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    Do snakebites have the same reaction with animals as in humans? I have heard lots of folklore here in these parts. Would like to know the real answer to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digits mama View Post
    Do snakebites have the same reaction with animals as in humans? I have heard lots of folklore here in these parts. Would like to know the real answer to that.

    My only experience is with rattlesnakes in the Southwest. The reactions are the same and their bites can be deadly to a dog. The extent of the reaction depends on the location of the bite and how much venom was injected. Dogs are usually bitten in the face or extremities. The veins in their extremities are much closer to the surface than humans which leaves them even more succeptable to a deadly bite.

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    Re: Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    Depends on the snake. I've seen several dogs come into the animal hospital that have been bitten by snakes and had nowhere near the same effect as humans. Not sure what the dogs were bitten by but they all made it through. They were all bitten on their face / noses. Probably from rooting through leaves in the woods and were bitten. All they did was drain the wound, were given fluids and pain medication. They were kept overnight and were better the next day.
    I've said it too many times and I still stand firm. You get what you put in and people get what they deserve. Still I haven't seen mine, no I haven't seen mine. I've been giving, just haven't been getting. I've been walking that there line. So I think I'll keep on walking with my head held high. I'll keep moving on and only God knows why.

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    Re: Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    Quote Originally Posted by applesmom View Post
    There's also the option of Snake Avoidance Training. It's not expensive and has protected our dogs as well as ourselves (due to their reactions) from being bitten on several ocassions.

    The training won't protect your dog if he does get bitten, but it will encourage him to sense and avoid snakes before he's close enough for a bite.
    That was pretty cool training the first time I heard about it. Even with how I feel about E collars.
    As far as treatment for snake bite, my vet had mentioned the vaccine/anti venom to me one time. He said the problem he saw with it is that without veternary care, or if the owner doesnt know what type of snake it was, it could be more of a problem for the dog. This is what he suggested- he said if bitten give 1mg per pound of body weight of the dog. ( example- my dog weighs 100 pounds, so I would give 100 mg of benadryl ) THEN go to the vet for supportive care. Supportive care as in IV's etc and additonal pain medication.
    HIs other comment to this was depending on when the last time the snake ate, the bite venom could be stronger than others. Therefore needing possiblity additional treatment, but only a vet can determine how well the dog is responding to the shot..

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    Re: Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    We've had Akitas in S. Texas for 36 years and unfortunately live where there are a LOT of rattlesnakes (as well as copperheads and others). Our first Akita, a 120# male was hit on the head above and below his eye - 6' rattler. The dog was keeping our three kids away from the snake when we figured out what was going on in the back yard. He was sick for 5 days... head swelled up, drainage under neck and finally recovered. Supposedly his size saved him and the fact he was hit on the head.

    10 years ago, our female was hit with a 5' one - her 4 year old pup killed the snake (Patches was fast!). She didn't make it. It was a nose hit but she was about 8 at the time.

    3 months ago, our 2 year old pup was hit by another 6' in the back leg near his foot. He died that night from massive bleeding. I don't think he could have been saved plus that amount of poison probably destroyed all the tissue and nerves in his leg.

    Our new plan is the two Akitas we have are getting the Snake vaccine. The 8 year old has completed his two shots and will return every 6 months for a booster. He did fine. ALL the vets down here are now recommending them. Our 4 month old pup goes in for his first shot this week.

    Meanwhile, we took the old one to Snake Avoidance class! It was a riot... since he'd been around two rattlers in his lifetime (one on our road and the one that got the pup), and hubby had yelled at him to stay away, he sorta knew what snakes were all about. The idea is to get the dog to look at, move toward, or even notice the rattler during training. Old Bear was so hot that you could tell, all he wanted to do was look around for a water bucket! FINALLY, he glanced at the snake and the trainer hit the shocker button. Bear flinched (Akitas have a lot a pain tolerance).

    The trainer likes to do this twice, so finally suggested that my hubby take the 20' rope attached to the dog and get on the other side of the snake.. then pull the dog toward the snake. Now old Bear weighs about 130# and is strong. Hubby and Bear were playing tug of war and the dog started winning!! :-) Hubby was getting closer to the snake than the dog was!

    By that time, we decided Bear was "trained" and quit! :-)

    So... now with the shots and the training, we have high hopes that if we run across another snake, the dogs will know to avoid and if they get hit... the vaccine will give some protection. It's about all we can do.

    Now... the question is... what do we do about us humans? Where the snake vaccine for us!

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    Re: Snake Bite Vaccine, Advice Needed

    All I can say is I'm sure glad I don't live anywhere near where you guys live!! I am absolutely petrified of snakes. Even the little garter snakes you're most likely to run into up here make me shriek if they surprise me. I almost stepped right on one when walking Ella yesterday b'cause I was paying more attention to Ella than where I was putting my feet. I screamed and scared poor Ella. That's my plan for snake avoidance training LOL.
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