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    Dog Food Caution!

    Found this on CL just now,

    Please stop using the following till Jan 2011 - read in:

    o Solid Gold [all except the Holistique Blendz formula]
    o Taste of the Wild [kibble and canned food]
    o Artemis [kibble and canned food]
    o Canidae [all except the Chicken and Lamb formulas]
    There may be other food brands that contain the preservative ethoxyquin, which may or MAY NOT be identified.

    Story below:

    We lost our beloved Bodhi to liver cancer in late
    October 2009. Once Christmas passed it gave us an opportunity to do some
    additional research into some possible links to liver cancer
    [hemangiosarcoma].

    We became aware that the FDA requires ALL imported fish-meal to be treated
    with the preservative ethoxyquin. Ethoxyquin is also used in jet fuel,
    cosmetics and in some human foods. The levels allowed in pet food is
    substantially higher than that allowed for human consumption. It is a known
    carcinogen that targets the liver and spleen.

    While many commercial pet foods use imported fish-meal, many of the holistic

    manufacturers have applied for a special exception, allowing them to use
    other preservatives like Naturox, which is a natural alternative to
    ethoxyquin.

    Earlier this month we contacted all of the manufacturing companies that had
    fish listed on the ingredient panel to find out:

    1) Was it imported fish
    2) If imported what preservative was being used

    We found that the following brands of food contained fish meal treated with
    ethoxyquin:

    o Solid Gold [all except the Holistique Blendz formula]
    o Taste of the Wild [kibble and canned food]
    o Artemis [kibble and canned food]
    o Canidae [all except the Chicken and Lamb formulas]

    We contacted the manufacturer's representative, and were informed that
    approximately 6 months ago they began shelf-testing Naturox, and will finish

    with the shelf trial towards the end of this year. Hopefully at that time
    all ethoxyquin treated fish meal will be eliminated from the foods listed
    above.

    While the products only contain trace amounts of this preservative, our
    feeling is that a healthy animal might be fine on the food, whereas
    genetics, immune compromised states, and other factors could influence
    whether an animal develops cancer over time.

    This is something you may want to discuss with your veterinarian

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/.../ucm047113.htm
    FDA isn't always who you want to trust, though, so I went the scientific route.
    "Abstract
    The chromosomal aberration test was employed to investigate the effect in vitro of a known antioxidant and food preservative, ethoxyquin (EQ, 1,2-dihydro-6-ethoxy-2,2,4-trimethylquinoline) on human chromosomes. The studies were undertaken because there are no published in vitro data on genotoxicity of EQ in mammalian cells and there are many reports pointing out that it may be harmful to animals and human beings. Lymphocytes obtained from three healthy donors were incubated with EQ (0.01–0.5 mM) both with and without metabolic activation. Stability studies performed by HPLC analysis showed that EQ was stable under the conditions of the lymphocyte cultures. The results of the chromosome aberration assay showed that EQ induces chromosome aberrations: gaps and breaks as well as dicentrics and atypical translocation chromosomes."
    - LET IT BE KNOWN. In another portion of the journal, it is stated that these tests are done with 250 and 300 pp. Of COURSE it's going to be poisonous! If I eat too much Advil it will kill me.

    BTW. The amount allowed in human food such as paprika is 100pp. In pet food it's only 75, though from what I can see, that's a maximum most brands really didn't even need.

    Not sure if I would implicitly trust a grieving family. Denial and the blame game are actual parts of the mourning process, and it's far better to be more informed than moved.

    If you're not sure, read up on it like I am. I haven't come to any conclusions yet, but if someone else has, I'm all ears!

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    There are many threads here in regards to ethoxyquin and how it is used in the petfood industry. Is it true that it is harmful to dogs, yes. It is true that any fish product imported into the USA has to be preserved at sea with either vitimine E or ethoxyquin, yes. Is it true that those companies you mentioned (and many others you didn't) use ethoxyquin in it's dog food, yes BUT they don't have to list it on the ingredients if it is not something THEY added to the food (which they wouldn't have since it was preserved at sea).

    I agree that a grieving family is not the best place to garner info on ethoxyquin effects. Do a google search and I'm sure you'll get MANY unbias facts.
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    From what I remember reading, TOTW only uses 5 pp vs 75 in other foods.
    Another misconseption is that FDA required the fish meal to be preserved with EQ, which isnt true, they reccomend that its preserved with some type of antioxidant, its cheaper to use EQ, other companies use mixed tocopherols(vit.E) and Naturox. But I heard that Diamond will start using Naturox starting this summer.

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    From what I read, Ethoxaquin is supposedly "cooked out" of the dog food (at least that's what I saw when I researched TOTW) during processing. Now that's just something I read in a few different places... whether it's true or not, I have no idea.

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eyssa View Post
    From what I read, Ethoxaquin is supposedly "cooked out" of the dog food (at least that's what I saw when I researched TOTW) during processing. Now that's just something I read in a few different places... whether it's true or not, I have no idea.
    Even thru high heat cooking processes there is still residuals of any substance that was originally in the food. The only way to "cook out" anything from a food is to turn it to ash. The only thing they may be able to do thru cooking is to reduce/remove the effects of something. Neutralize it so to say like how cooking meat to a certain temperature is suppose to kill ecoli and the like. It's still there, it's just dead. BUT when dealing with a mineral/chemical compound/etc there will always be residue, and over time that residue will build up in an animals system, and eventually to harmful levels if the body can't process it out.

    To BlueChaos, Originally when the law was made about preserving fish at sea, ethoxyquin and Vitamin E were really the only affordable choices, however now that the dangers of EQ are coming out they are coming up with better ways to preserve fish products. But even at that I'm sure that none of the "new" menthods will be as cheap as EQ so it's like beating a dead horse...
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    Um, you do realize that not all raw meat is organic (most isnt), it still has hormones/antibiotics and dyes in it, just because its not processed, doesent mean its any better.

    There are organic kibble on the market, or at least very close to it (Orijen/Acana) for example.

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    OffTopic. Sakima Are you KhaosDog on deviantart?

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    To clarify.

    If you are feeding Taste of the Wild Bison Formula, which has no fish or fish meal in it, you are probably safe, since ethoxyquin is used to preserve fish only.

    Solid Gold uses Ethoxyquin, even though their rep always tell you they don't, which is a complete lie and bullshit. Diamond had already stated they use ethoxyquin preserved fish to manufacture Solid Gold foods.

    Canidae, Artemis, Taste of the Wild, Natural Balance, Eukanuba, Science Diet, Purina, Nutro, and other brands all use ethoxyquin preserved fish.

    The cooking out argument is bullshit in my own opinion. The fish had already been treated by harsh chemicals.
    Imagine soaking a piece of chicken, which you will be feeding your family later, with clorox or bleach. Then we'll put it in the oven or fry it to "cook out" the clorox/bleach. Do you think that piece of chicken is still safe for human and/or animal consumption?

    There are many ethoxquin-free fish diets for dogs out there. Such as Orijen, Natura Pet products (innova, innova evo, california natural, etc), Wellness, Blue Buffalo, Castor & Pollux, etc.

    If those brands are not affordable or accessible for you, just pick a diet that is free of fish.

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    This is interesting to me, as I feed my pup TOTW Pacific Steam. He does not do well on chicken, and it has been a challenge to find a food that does not contain any chicken products. Since he is still a pup (10 months) and is 55 lbs., which I believe is considered a large breed, I picked the TOTW because it has a lower protein level than some of the other grain free, fish based foods. What are my options besides the TOTW for my needs?

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    does anyone know if the Innova EVO fish formula is safe????

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    Quote Originally Posted by croll326 View Post
    does anyone know if the Innova EVO fish formula is safe????
    yes it is. they do not use ethoxyquin. they use naturox if i am not wrong.

    as for Bones333, you can try acana pacifica. it has lower protein, and is fished based.

    i am sure there are many fished based foods that are lower protein, but i cant remember at the top of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enhasa View Post
    Imagine soaking a piece of chicken, which you will be feeding your family later, with clorox or bleach. Then we'll put it in the oven or fry it to "cook out" the clorox/bleach. Do you think that piece of chicken is still safe for human and/or animal consumption?
    Probably a bad comparison, as commercial chicken IS washed in a chlorine bath, and chlorine does dissipate quickly......just saying.

    What's in Naturox?
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    Enhasa- I see where youre coming from, and while I can still afford, I will pay higher cost for core and acana, but I know a lot of people who have dogs with grain intolerance and chicken/beef allergy and since most fish based grain free foods cost at least $65 a bag that doesent have EQ, it isnt an option for those on the budget (or multiple dogs). We gotta do what we feel is best for our pets.

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    california natural has a fish based grain free food now. i think it just came out. im not too sure bout the pricing, but california natural has been pretty cheap all along. i remember seeing the 6 pound bag for $8.50 at my local store.
    i am not too sure bout big sized bags, because i have a small dog so i don't buy big bags since it takes months to finish a 6 pound bag.

    taste of the wild is cheap, i do admit that. my local store sells the 6 pound bag for $9.50.

    lamb is a good alternative to chicken/beef allergic dogs.
    nature's variety is actually pretty cheap too. the praire sells for $14.50 for lamb, $15 for salmon (6 pound bag), and there is a buy 1 get 1 free offer that never expires.

    so technically $7.50 per 6 pound bag, which makes it cheaper than taste of the wild.

    when buying pet food, always get coupons and look out for offers on the internet.
    brands like canidae and nature's variety have buy 1 get 1 free offers that never expire all year round.
    natura pet products have $5 off coupons which is easily obtainable and can be used for karma, california natural, healthwise, innova, innova evo.

    hope this helps for people with budget constraints!

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    I found this on another website. The poster there said that they had e-mailed TOTW and got this as a response:

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    The preservation systems used by our vendors are considered proprietary information. The heat from our pet food process destroys antioxidants that are used in the ingredients that we purchase. The cooking process at our
    facilities is at or above 240 degrees. After the heat process (extrusion
    and drying), we apply natural tocopherols (Vitamins A & E) in order to carry the shelf life of the food. Taste of the Wild does not preserve any of its products with ethoxyquin, only with mixed tocopherols.

    Although we do not use it, when it is used as an anti-oxidant (to prevent rancidity), as soon as it is added, it begins to oxidize ("to be used up").
    Heat and moisture greatly expedite the oxidation. Pet food manufacturing
    processes typically utilize heat and moisture. The use of ethoxyquin is approved as an anti-oxidant in pet foods and the levels are specified. This information is available on the FDA site.

    Since ethoxyquin is an anti-oxidant, it's use in reference to preventing cancer has been published and can be found on PubMed searches.
    About 10 other people posted there and said that they had received the same e-mail back. So, take it with a grain of salt.
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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    i had heard rumors that diamond will be making the switch to ethoxyquin-free fish in june, but not sure if this is true or not.

    even if they do start switching in june, the food on your pet store shelves probably still do contain ethoxyquin as they are manufactured before the switch, and will probably take a good 3-6 months for it to actually reach you.

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    Re: Dog Food Caution!

    Quote Originally Posted by Enhasa View Post
    To clarify.

    If you are feeding Taste of the Wild Bison Formula, which has no fish or fish meal in it, you are probably safe, since ethoxyquin is used to preserve fish only.

    Solid Gold uses Ethoxyquin, even though their rep always tell you they don't, which is a complete lie and bullshit. Diamond had already stated they use ethoxyquin preserved fish to manufacture Solid Gold foods. [/B]
    Mmm it does have fish meal in it. It's around the 13th listed ingredient.

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    oh... i didnt know that. i dont feed TOTW though so i dont really know the ingredients that well.

    if its 13th down the list, i'd say the amount of fish is really non-substaintial. prolly 1-5% of the overall content of food.
    so i guess one would argue the amount of ethoxyquin is non-existent, or very little.
    still bad, but also good in another way.

    but this is seriously a lot better than ethoxyquin preserved fish being no.1 or no.2 on the ingredient list.

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    So first Ethoxyquin causes splenic and liver cancer, and now it's an anti-oxident that prevents it? I can honestly say that I am becoming quite confused... I'm not sure I want to know what other crap is in our dog foods.

    I'm not even sure I'll be able to switch to a different brand other than TOTW. The closest dog food store within an hour of here only sells a choice variety of dog foods, including TOTW, Evo, Wellness, and a few others... and who knows what is in them. I guess it's time to research other brands.

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