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    Question Protien levels in Orijen food

    I've been reading a lot about Orijen and it sounds like a great food. However, I am a little concerned about the protien level being 40%. I've read protien levels that high aren't for small dogs....or not to worry as long as it's from a good source of protien...or it's o.k. as long as the dog is healthy to begin with. On the other hand, I've also heard too much protien can cause liver and/or kidney problems. My dogs are under 12 pounds and healthy, should I be worried?

    Their other food, Acana, has a lower protien level. Would this be a better food to try for smaller dogs?

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.C View Post
    I've been reading a lot about Orijen and it sounds like a great food. However, I am a little concerned about the protien level being 40%. I've read protien levels that high aren't for small dogs....or not to worry as long as it's from a good source of protien...or it's o.k. as long as the dog is healthy to begin with. On the other hand, I've also heard too much protien can cause liver and/or kidney problems. My dogs are under 12 pounds and healthy, should I be worried?

    Their other food, Acana, has a lower protien level. Would this be a better food to try for smaller dogs?

    My dog is around 9lbs & I'm currently feeding her Innova EVO which has 42% protein. As long as your dog currently doesn't have any liver/kidney issues, then the high protein shouldn't be a problem. High protein is usually a concern with large breed puppies. It can cause them to grow too fast and cause hip displasia, etc. I also plan on trying TOTW and Orijen, all of which have protein that's a bit higher. All in all, I wouldn't worry about it and give it a try. My dog has been eating EVO for quite a few months now and has done wonderful on it.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    High protein doesn't cause liver or kidney problems you need to adjust the level and type of protein fed if the dog has a problem. High protein is natural for dogs. It is the high calcium and phosphorus levels in the super premium foods that is bad for large breed dogs. The bones grow too fast and can cause problems. Just be sure the dog drinks enough water no matter what kibble you choose.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    I wanted to feed my dog orijen but the High Protien scared me off. I figured I would stick with the Wellness Large Breed stuff till hes an adult. Dog food Analysis say dont use the high protein stuff for puppies so I listened to them.


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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    She doesn't say that her dogs are puppies. She just says that they are small dogs.

    I think higher protein foods are just as good for small dogs as large dogs. Orijen is a great food, so I'd say go for it!

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    zea mays is in the origen is this not a grain im sure its a form of maize if any one could but me right would be grate help

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Please stop worrying about high protein (complete diets) for dogs. This is really old school crap. Your dog should be eating a very high protein, low carb (zero grain) kibble and Orijen is arguably the best. The BEST food for a dog period is a balanced RAW diet. (Think how much protein that is)

    Everyone needs to start thinking "wolf" when they feed their dogs.

    Quote Originally Posted by lightforce18 View Post
    I wanted to feed my dog orijen but the High Protien scared me off. I figured I would stick with the Wellness Large Breed stuff till hes an adult. Dog food Analysis say dont use the high protein stuff for puppies so I listened to them.

    Wrong! I have a Bullmastiff and ALWAYS it's been the train of thought to keep them on a low protein diet so they don't grow so fast . It's not the protein that's the issue.

    READ:
    http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/Myths_of_High_Protein.pdf
    Last edited by bully; 09-24-2009 at 08:00 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Quote Originally Posted by merrow View Post
    zea mays is in the origen is this not a grain im sure its a form of maize if any one could but me right would be grate help
    Actually I think they took it out when they revised formulas a while back.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    You are right...there is no zea mays in Orijen or Acana since they changed the formulas.
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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Not all dogs are going to do well on High protein low carb grain free diets. Especially performance dogs so don't fool yourself and feed into the hype of these fad diets. Feed what your dog does well on and you can afford.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    What do you mean performance dogs? I know many people that feed their agility dogs high protein, low carb. I know 2 sled dog teams that exclusively use high protein kibble for their dogs. So I think performance dogs do better on high protein.

    I know some house dogs that don't too well on it though because they can never burn off that much energy and they end up having loose stool or gain too much weight or something.

    But I do agree with you, feed your dogs what you can afford and they do well on. Some highest quality dog food doesn't work well with all dogs.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Agility is over in less than a minute. Sled dogs do well on high protein for recovery but they also need high carbs and fat for endurance.
    My personal feelings are that the little fluff ball that is in the house all day watching animal planet has no need for a 42% food.

    Just my opinion. I'm sure others feel different.
    Even for my own dogs Orijen couldn't hold up. Yes I've tried for 6 months plus and didn't get results I would expect.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Quote Originally Posted by shets114 View Post
    Agility is over in less than a minute.
    That's true during the competition. But during daily practice, the trainer near me does 2 hr training per dog. 2 hrs of doing agility courses is a heck of a long time and quite tiring.

    And I haven't personally heard of any sled dogs on high carb food. Fat works much better for endurance because they are metabolized slowly. Also it helps the dogs retain water. Also most sled dogs are fed raw and no carbs at all, high fat and high protein. Believe me I would know since I visit sled teams in Whistler almost every year...

    Edit: I'm not denying that every dog should eat high protein high fat. Lots of dogs don't do well on it. From my personal experience, our 3 dogs does great on it. Absolutely fantastic, poops very little and has great energy. Actually it's the only food that I can keep my dog on a good weight with. I used to feed Innova and Wellness but she was always a little underweight. After switching to Orijen, she's the perfect weight and she maintains it well. I'm switching to EVO right now because I'm changing protein sources but I think high protein is currently working well for my dog and I will continue to use it.

    She is a house dog and I don't believe all house dogs don't need high protein. My dog is very active though 2 hrs running a day and fetching in the house, etc.

    Of course different people agree on different things. Some people like Pedigree and swear by it while others say it's not edible and would rather feed their dogs table scraps.
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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Quote Originally Posted by shets114 View Post
    Not all dogs are going to do well on High protein low carb grain free diets. Especially performance dogs so don't fool yourself and feed into the hype of these fad diets. Feed what your dog does well on and you can afford.
    It's funny you should say that. High protein, grain free foods are hardly a "fad diet" -- they're what dogs have been eating since they were wolves.

    The "fad diet" is actually the recent use of grains in dog food. Dog are carnivorous, and they do not eat grains naturally. Grains are used in dog and cat food to bulk them up and cut costs.

    ETA: There are low-cost grain free alternatives as well, like Taste of the Wild.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Actually, dogs do eat grains, while everyone considers them carnivoires even wolves and other canines eat grains.
    When a kill is taken all the animal will be utilized and that also includes the stomach and contents. Most animals that are taken are grazers, so they do get grains and carbs in their diet.
    I always get a kick out of the dogs are wolves approach.

    Most of todays dogs wouldn't stand a chance if born in the wild or returned to the wild to live like a wolf.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    I didn't say dogs are wolves, although you can interpret what I wrote however you like.

    I said that their digestive systems are carnivorous and have been that way since canines existed.

    And saying that dogs eat grains (and should eat dog food that is MOSTLY grains, with minimal meat content) because they may eat the stomach contents of the animals they kill is like saying I eat bugs because sometimes they fly in my mouth when I'm riding my bike. In other words, it's silly.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    I agree they do need some carbs. But Nia gets her carbs from potatoes or sweet potatoes and sometimes pumpkin or squash. Other times she gets fruits and veggies.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    I also didn't say that dogs should eat food with mostly grain, but to say a dog shouldn't eat grain isn't correct either.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    Quote Originally Posted by shets114 View Post
    I also didn't say that dogs should eat food with mostly grain, but to say a dog shouldn't eat grain isn't correct either.
    All the foods with grain that I've looked at contain a ridiculously high proportions of those grains to meat. I wouldn't be opposed to some grains in small quantities, but most grocery store pet foods contain more grains than meat. They also typically contain low quality grains and grain particulates. I think that dogs should eat mostly meat.

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    Re: Protien levels in Orijen food

    The consumer really has no knowledge of the amount of meat in a product. Just because a food may list several meat sources doesn't mean that there is more meat then one with only one of two.
    Some high prices grain free diets actually have less meat than some lower cost foods. It is just hidden with alternatives to grain and smart marketing.

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