[Willowy]

This is Shug (Actually Suga---"Sugar" with a Southern accent, and I can't say it properly....my mouth is not Southern. So I call her Shug). My mom is fostering her. Spayed female, about 3 1/2 years old. Is bossy with the other dogs, and will bark at them to get them to play or if they're doing something she doesn't like. Wants to eat the bird, and will fixate on him, just staring at the cage for long periods. Likes to shred her stuffed toys. Has longer, crimped fur on her ears (looks like an '80s hairstyle back when everyone had crimping irons). Weighs about 40 pounds, and is 16 inches tall at the shoulder.

[briteday]

I'd guess border collie mix.

[Willowy]

I see the BC for sure. But what do you think she's mixed with? I'm thinking Spaniel of some kind, or maybe Beagle (I see it in her head shape). I can't remember where I saw the crimped ear fur before....on a Brittany? Springer?

[bluedawg]

BC mix but I cant say what else. Maybe a bird dog do to the fixation? What BYBs are in the area where she was found?

[Willowy]

Hehe, everyone is a BYB around here. If someone has never raised a litter of pups they're weird. Especially if their dog is purebred....they concede that mutts maybe should be spayed/neutered, but if you have a purebred, you might as well make some money by selling pups. But I digress......

I don't know exactly where she was found. I was told she was young and very emaciated when found, but I was not told where she was found. But her former owner lived in a very small town about 20 miles from here. In the rurals very near that town, there is a very large puppymill that has just about every breed. From Chihuahuas to Mastiffs, Shih Tzus to Bernese Mountain Dogs. So who knows?

What do you consider to be a "bird dog"? A Springer? A GSP?

[bluedawg]

Originally Posted by Willowy

What do you consider to be a "bird dog"? A Springer? A GSP?

Any dog used for bird hunting, to me is a bird dog. Labs, Retrievers, GSPs, etc etc.

That last pic reminds me of the Bluedawg, but I doubt she is part Aussi or Husky.

[gills]

She looks all Border Collie to me -- though a little on the small side. Does she have the "eye"? Does she have a fixed stare at things like toys, or something that moves? Does she sort of crouch, with her front legs lower than the back end, or maybe in a complete down, when she's doing the "stare"?

Her behaviour will tell you if she's a BC or not. Their instincts are so strong that's the surest sign. If she doesn't have the "eye", then she's not a BC, or at least, there's some other breed in there drowning out the instincts.

[Laurelin]

She looks a bit square to be all BC to me.

[sheltiemom]

She looks mostly BC to me, the only thing off is the ears. The ears look aussie, but she is small..too small to be aussie x BC...on the small side to be pure BC too..I'm gonna go with BC x spaniel, no idea what kind of spaniel though.

[Willowy]

No, she doesn't do the BC stare. And I think her legs are too short to be pure BC, even if badly bred. For some reason I thought of her when I saw the Kooikerhondje/Munsterlander thread.....there ARE a lot of Dutch people in the area, though I don't know if any of them breed Dutch dogs. Well, probably we'll never know, unless I spring for a DNA test and her breeds are covered by it.