Pics of my puppy to be

tirluc · 07-10-2007, 07:11 PM

CKC.....is that CANADIAN Kennel Club or CONTINENTAL Kennel Club???....if it's the former, ok.....but if it's the latter, you just bought yourself a puppy for a large sum of money that doesn't have papers.....you might as well have gotten a mutt or gone to the HS.....and the health guarantee on him, since the "papers" are most likely not legit, may not be legit either......is there a microchip # on the health guarantee that you can "trace" back to the parents?.....

oh, well....live and learn......i hope you don't end up w/ the heartache that a lady i met that had purchased a "Maltese" pup (pup was Bichon and Pom, or something of the sort) had to go thru....cost of pup: $450.....cost of med bils in the first 1 1/2 mo: $5000......end results: puppy died while trying to "correct" a genetic heart and liver defect......this pup came w/ health guarantees, also.....

RenaRose · 07-12-2007, 01:49 AM

Wow! I just read the entire thread. Thats quite an accomplishment for me to sit still that long. But what a roller coaster. All the warnings and advice and info. Then the switching back and forth from the different breeders. And then all the people who we're so happy that he had found a good breeder and then so dissapionted that he stuck with the original. But we're all still confident that he will be a good puppy owner. Well I know this dosen't influence the thread at all but I just felt intitled to say something after all that. It was almost like a tv show.

Congradulations to Durbkat on his new baby! And well done to all those who gave advice. Even if he didn't compleatly listen to you I know he learned something.

squirt1968 · 07-12-2007, 02:30 AM

just the other day I read a thread on this forum about young people and how we should be supportive to them. I hope none of you people were any that submitted to that thread as this one is the exact opposite of it for the most part. The op I believe asked about picking the color not asking if he chose the right breeder and unless I missed it, not one person answered his question. Why when something has been stated do so many people repeat it?
I could understand if a couple just state that they agree with a comment but 11 pages of that seems rather excessive to me. Just wanted to state my slant on this.
Your pup is cute a can be and it sounds to me that you will be a responsible dog owner. As far as waiting until you can really afford any and all unforseen problems many people including myself would never have had their children and I for one am glad I had them (think they are too).

Durbkat · 07-12-2007, 09:13 AM

Thank you squirt, I appreciate the concern but I think I made the right choice and I agree with what the breeder said that those discussion boards are out there to make every breeder seem like they are a puppy mill and that they are bad.

Haidden · 07-12-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Durbkat

Thank you squirt, I appreciate the concern but I think I made the right choice and I agree with what the breeder said that those discussion boards are out there to make every breeder seem like they are a puppy mill and that they are bad.

Its not that every breeder is a "puppy mill" or byb its that there are good breeders and bad breeders. If i was a breeder and I pumped out puppies left and right of course I would tell you anything and everything you wanted to hear, lie or not, just to get your money. Basically once they have your money its done and over with no going back.

lonlymac · 07-13-2007, 11:42 AM

Why don't all of you negative people leave the poor kid alone. I've just recently purchased a Shih Tzu at a pet store, Yes a Pet store! He's 1 year old now and i couldn't be more happier with the dog. Now before you all start, i just adopted a 4 year old boxer. Its my 2nd adopted boxer. Before i got my dogs i was reading the forums and i have to tell you, i got very frustrated with all the negative people telling you, what and how you should take care of a dog. Everyone has there own opinions, what makes them experts. I try to take a little advise from each person and move on from there. My first boxer, before i learned about food was fed Old Roy. He died at home when he was 14 years old, not bad for a dog that was fed wal-mart food and he never had health problems. (He was adopted). So, who knows whats right and wrong. My 2 new dogs are both fed Canidae, see i took advise about good food. All i'm saying is, give the kid positive advise, don't beat him down because he didnt do what you wanted

Good luck with the new dog

BoxMeIn21 · 07-13-2007, 12:35 PM

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I've just recently purchased a Shih Tzu at a pet store, Yes a Pet store!

Oh fabulous - you just supported more dogs living in conditions like these...
http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/

redox · 07-13-2007, 06:02 PM

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Oh fabulous - you just supported more dogs living in conditions like these...
http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/

Yep, congrats. This is real life, your convenience for the cost of inhumane living conditions for countless puppies and continual forced breeding of female dogs. If people didn't buy puppies from puppymills like this or petstores that get their puppies from puppymills, then these puppymills wouldn't be able to turn a profit and would stop what their doing. So yeah, good for you, encourage other people to do the same as you.

lonlymac · 07-13-2007, 06:11 PM

I'm not encouraging anything.

The kid didnt have the money to get the dog from the other breeder, and your getting all over him for it. All you 2 are doing is supporting what i said earlier. Way to help him out

Lorina · 07-13-2007, 06:35 PM

Now that he has the dog, plenty of people have been helping him out with advice on Snoopy's care.

When you ask for advice, you often get more than you bargain for. Yep, maybe he asked what color to get, but the advice he got was about things that really matter. If a first-time future homeowner asked what color to paint the kitchen on the house they were thinking of buying, and posted links to the house listing, I think it would be irresponsible for someone with fixer-upper experience to not point out if the house looked like it needed a new roof, or the foundation had cracks, or any other potential money-pit problems.

Same thing here.

A thread on an internet forum is for much more than the original poster. For each person who submits a thread, there's dozens more just reading it. Maybe the good advice didn't seem to matter enough to the OP, but maybe it'll help someone else make a more informed choice. If that's the case, then it's not words written in vain.

poohlp · 07-13-2007, 11:42 PM

Durbkat, your puppy is super cute. You have many fun and interesting years ahead. From all I have read, I think you will make a GREAT dad!

Now, for everyone else, I have to vent my spleen. Someone needs to give this guy credit. From his posts it is clear that not only did he listen to and carefully weigh all the advice given to him, he also very good naturedly took a lot of bs with a very good attitude. Given how some people responded, I might not have been so friendly and I'm 28.

He seems to really have it together and to have done his research. I have the feeling this wasn't the work of a moment, it was the culmination of a months or even year-long plan. He even talked to his landlord! I'm willing to bet that if he got to the breeder and found a horrible or inhumane situation, he might not have gotten that pup. Only he was there and only he could determine if the person was reputable. Everyone else here is just going based on their own preconceptions. Maybe you are right and tere is certain misery and doom ahead, but you can't know that. This puppy ould be a perfectly healthy, well-bredwonderful companion for years and years to come.

This woman could be a good, albeit perhaps not top notch breeder. She may love her dogs and treat them well and not overbreed. How do we know? Face it. Not everyone can afford $600+ for a puppy. Not everyone wants a rescue. Oh, and BTW, I'm not sure why anyone would think a rescue would have less potential medical problems than this dog.

My dog's a rescue, he's healthy and I love him and I totally support rescue grps and the work they do. But a lot, especially the purebreds, have health problems, are former puppy mill dogs, have mental issues, etc. and not all orgs are upfront about it or don't know until too late. My mother's rescued Bijon came from a great group and still ended up costing her thousands of dollars in medical bills and more in heartbreak before she finally made the heart wrenching decision to put him down out of mercy. Some people, thank god, are willing and ready to take that sort of thing on, my mom and many other just want a companion. I don't blame a 16 year old for not wanting such a project, even if they would adopt to him at all given his age.

Finally, there is no excuse for shouting at anyone, much less a person of any age who has just made a huge decision and gotten their first puppy and is all excited that they should be ashamed, will spend thousands of dollars in medical bills or their dog will die or be crippled!

Why try to ruin what should have been a great moment for him.

Maybe some of the effort people put into being nice to and not beating up their animals should go into not beating up on people for no good reason other than to make yourselves feel better.

thomson · 07-14-2007, 02:42 AM

Those pictures are really cute!!!!!!!!! Can you give me one of your puppy....

thomson

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Durbkat · 07-14-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by poohlp

Now, for everyone else, I have to vent my spleen. Someone needs to give this guy credit. From his posts it is clear that not only did he listen to and carefully weigh all the advice given to him, he also very good naturedly took a lot of bs with a very good attitude. Given how some people responded, I might not have been so friendly and I'm 28.

Well when I have let my fingers do the talking they have gotten me into trouble before, so I learned to keep my mouth shut because I don't know these people so it doesn't affect me.

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I'm willing to bet that if he got to the breeder and found a horrible or inhumane situation, he might not have gotten that pup.

Exactly. I went with her to where the puppies were and everything was clean and they had alot of space and I looked at the parents and they were really friendly.

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This woman could be a good, albeit perhaps not top notch breeder. She may love her dogs and treat them well and not overbreed. How do we know? Face it. Not everyone can afford $600+ for a puppy. Not everyone wants a rescue. Oh, and BTW, I'm not sure why anyone would think a rescue would have less potential medical problems than this dog.

She lives in the country and country people don't understand why someone would pay a high price for a dog when they could get a mutt from the pound. So I guess if she wants be able to run her business she has to sell the pups at a price that will sell.

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My dog's a rescue, he's healthy and I love him and I totally support rescue grps and the work they do. But a lot, especially the purebreds, have health problems, are former puppy mill dogs, have mental issues, etc. and not all orgs are upfront about it or don't know until too late. My mother's rescued Bijon came from a great group and still ended up costing her thousands of dollars in medical bills and more in heartbreak before she finally made the heart wrenching decision to put him down out of mercy.

Plus this women I know spent alot of money on buying a bichon from a "reputable breeder" and its now two years old and has arthritis because apparently they bred the mom with one of her children. She had to take it to the vet and it cost $800 for surgery, it would have cost $1,800 at the vet they normally go to but found a cheaper one.

redox · 07-14-2007, 08:56 AM

You have bought the puppy, love it.

If you think people were being rude, it's probably because they were. Frankly, I will be rude if it can help animals that can't help themselves. That's just the way it is.

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Plus this women I know spent alot of money on buying a bichon from a "reputable breeder" and its now two years old and has arthritis because apparently they bred the mom with one of her children. She had to take it to the vet and it cost $800 for surgery, it would have cost $1,800 at the vet they normally go to but found a cheaper one.

I really don't know what to say... This is pretty much what we were getting at. I mean if this lady doesn't know how to find a good breeder how can she be one herself. But what is done is done, we just don't want someone else to read this thread and think there is no difference between good breeders and people that shouldn't be breeding.

BoxMeIn21 · 07-15-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorina

Now that he has the dog, plenty of people have been helping him out with advice on Snoopy's care.

When you ask for advice, you often get more than you bargain for. Yep, maybe he asked what color to get, but the advice he got was about things that really matter. If a first-time future homeowner asked what color to paint the kitchen on the house they were thinking of buying, and posted links to the house listing, I think it would be irresponsible for someone with fixer-upper experience to not point out if the house looked like it needed a new roof, or the foundation had cracks, or any other potential money-pit problems.

Same thing here.

A thread on an internet forum is for much more than the original poster. For each person who submits a thread, there's dozens more just reading it. Maybe the good advice didn't seem to matter enough to the OP, but maybe it'll help someone else make a more informed choice. If that's the case, then it's not words written in vain.

Beautiful post. I hope this is the case.

MartinCarson · 07-22-2007, 08:41 AM

Personally I don't hink he should have a puppy if he is going to be shouldering all of the financial responsibilities. I just got a puppy 4 weeks ago and have already spent +$400 on top of the price of the pup, from what I understand he only makes $400 a month. I have a full time job and this put a strain on resources, I can only imagine if something serious happened...enter pet insurance. Coupled witht the enormous responsibilities of raising a puppy, it doesnt seem like a responsible choice, expecially after all of the insight offered in this thread.
On that note I am amazed at the wealth of information that was offered in this discussion and wish that I had read this before I purchased by little guy. I purchased my pup for a cheap price, luckily it was from a gentleman who's dog happened to get pregnant and was caring and still keeps in touch, and has offered to pay for the vet expenses we incurred from a parasite infection. I did not even know dog's could be tested for genetics and future problems etc.
Thanks for all the great info and will keep it in mind for my next purchase (hopefully a Chow Chow - they are so funny looking!)
Best of Luck to you!!

Durbkat · 07-22-2007, 08:44 AM

Well I have only spent about $80 in vet bills.

pup_at_heart · 07-22-2007, 05:33 PM

Wow! I loved reading this board! It was so interesting. Not your average conversation on dog forums.

I don't really think people were being rude, they were just trying to help. I think it the end was when it got out of hand. People saying that they were ashamed of Micheal. Micheal is 16. He is a very intellegent kid, and he can make decisions for himself. Plus, he is the one paying for the puppy, its supplies and all of it's expenses (like vet visits) so it is completely up to him who he buys the puppies from. I think some people judged this was a BYB to quickly. The pics on the front page could just be pics of some past litters or Snoopy's litter. It doesn't automatically mean she's constantly pumping out puppies. If she has never had problems with the parents, it probably means Snoopy won't end up with genetic disorders. Micheal will be a great daddy and I think that's what truly matters.

Wishing you many happy years with Snoopy.

BoxMeIn21 · 07-22-2007, 05:44 PM

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I think some people judged this was a BYB to quickly. The pics on the front page could just be pics of some past litters or Snoopy's litter..

What's the weather like in your world? Rosey?

pup_at_heart · 07-22-2007, 05:54 PM

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What's the weather like in your world? Rosey?

I'm just saying you never know. No one on here except Durbkat actaully met this breeder or talked to her so they can't completely judge her. But I do agree it's a BYB, I was just saying don't jump to conclusions... I know that's an oxi-moran, I don't know how to say what I mean.