Shooting in VT Campus: 21 Dead 21 Injured

anjamaka

It will, trust me. Justr like columbine. If that guy did not have access to a gun the will argue, it would not have been a problem (I am not stating my opinion). VA TECH is totally responsible for the second shooting, and they know it (they didnt do the standard procedure of lock down after the first shooting, "domestic' thought or not, it is still the standard procedure, they didn't notify the students other than an email, no parents were notified, or guardians. I live abot 3 hours from the campus, I have friends that go there. All parents right now, at every campus are scared for their children. This is ridiculous, they "thought" the man who did this was gone, they didn't know but they conducted business as usual. then, 2 horus later it happened again, where is the building security? Where is the accountability? 30 more people died that could have been prevented, including a German Professor and I do believe another, though I am not sure. Universities over all have been too lax about what they are doing on campus to both prevent things like this as well as control things like this. At the campus I am currently in (and am leaving) they find bullet casings all over the administration building, and it was never reported to us, until the school newspaper got ahold of it. The schools have gone overboard and it is time for them to be held accountable.

German Shepherd Lover

I wonder which presidential candidate will be the first to grasp this as an opportunity to express their views and use this to their advantage?

anjamaka

I dunno, but I hope not. This is soooo upsetting. I mean I am a college kid and it really makes me wonder...

SFury

The reality is that a police force is a reactionary body in our society when things like this happen. The majority of murders do go unsolved in the US.

It can take hours for a police force to view security footage and make a positive ID on someone. A general alert may be made if they have enough information to make one about a suspects appearance.

The reality is that the police forces involved did an excellent job in handling the situation. They were moving people out as quickly and safely as they could. While it may seem like nothing was done, if someone is careful enough with their appearance they can commit a crime and avoid detection for a while. If it does end up being a student who did the shootings then he would have blended in very easily and avoided detection with little effort.

Shalva

the way it was written messed me up
said in VT
not at VT
so I read it as in Vermont
not at Virginia Tech

my brain was fried.... does anyone want to do my research proposal for me lol ??

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iwantmypup

They I dentified the gunmann...he was 23 years old and a senior from south korea...

VT also had a bomb threat last week i heard

cshellenberger

They have had several bomb threats and another shooting earlier in the school year. Honestly, it sounds like my youngest daughters elementary has better security!

lovemygreys

It is truly a terrible tragedy. The loss of such young life is always so incredibly heartbreaking. I went to a smaller school (East Carolina University) and I can't fathom something like this happening on our campus. Sadly, the likely result will be an outcry for even more limitations on our right to bear arms. Knowing you can't have a weapon on most campuses, any deranged person knows they can go there with a gun and it's like fish in a barrel .

From Boortz.com b/c I'm too lazy to retype it in my own words:
Earlier this year the Virginia General Assembly failed to act on House Bill 1572. The citizens of Virginia are permitted to carry concealed weapons if they get a proper permit from the state government --- unless you are on a college campus. This bill would have allowed college students and employees to carry handguns on campus --- with appropriate permits, of course. It died in subcommittee. After the bill was thrown out up steps Larry Hincker, a spokesman for Virginia Tech, the site of today's carnage, who says "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Sure is a haunting quote in light of yesterday's events

suzukigirl

This is really sad.

I heard on the radio this morning that after he shot the first 2 people he went back to his dorm and reloaded as well as wrote a note. Which explains the 2 hour lapse time. Since it only would take him 15 minutes to get from the dorm to the hall. After that he proceeded to the hall to take more lives.

RIP

cshellenberger

Indeed, that law would have saved lives! Maybe now they will get it revived and passed!

Shalva

Universities don't want security......
the idea of an open campus and good relations wiht neighbors where free thought abounds.... is what universities strive for and even with this situation I dont see that really changing much.....

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Weebles

That law would not have saved lives. If someone there had been armed, there is no guarantee that person would not have done more damage. Unless they were a trained sniper, who would not only have to have perfect aim to take out a madman, but also be able to maintain a calm demeanor in the face of someone shooting at them (in order to aim). Otherwise, there would just have been more gunfire, with the same result: a huge tragedy with lots of injuries and death.

It disgusts me that people would try to push their gun rights by using these deaths.

anjamaka

Not the police force, the university, as soon as something like this happens the campus should go into lock down, that is standard procedue.

anjamaka

No... he was from Centreville VA, he was born in South Korea, big difference. He was a naturalized citizen of the United States and renewed his Greencard on time.

Betty

We'll never know for sure if a trained permitholder would have ended the situation sooner, because that fighting chance was eliminated by law, keeping the campus a victim disarmament zone.

At my workplace around 6 years ago, a former co-worker threatened to come by with his shotgun and kill my boss (and probably the rest of us, too). He didn't, thank goodness. But if he had... there was a fighting chance to survive and fight back that day, because I had my handgun (and a permit and training).

It disgusts me that people would try to push their anti self-defense laws by using these deaths.

Weebles

No one on here has. The only people pushing their laws have been the pro-gun people.

College campuses are supposed to be places of learning. The are NOT supposed to be places where you have to worry that some angry person sitting next to you is carrying a concealed weapon.

In the tragedy yesterday, I don't think gun laws (either way) would have made any difference.

anjamaka

Unfortunately, I don't either. I think, however there is going to be a stronger push for it, especially in institutions of learning. I think in large state schools they may put in detectors etc (which just takes forever and is annoying especially cause we go in and out of a building 5+ times a day) Its hard, ya know. No one knows what to do....

lovemygreys

I'm not "using" these deaths to promote any agenda. It can't believe that someone would prefer to be a defenseless bump on a log rather than have the cojones to defend themselves....or worse, insist that OTHERS have no right or ability to defend themselves. I grew up an army brat...I think the first time I fired a weapon was when I was 14 or so years old...under the guidance of my father. Further weapons training in ROTC when I was in college and post-graduation (sister and BIL are both police officers). I'm not afraid of guns and I know how to use one. I also understand the responsibility and ramifications of drawing a weapon in self defense or the defense of others. You do not need to be a "trained sniper" to defend yourself...especially in close quarters.

If you don't want to carry a weapon, then don't. No one is telling you that you have to. I can't for the life of me understand why you feel you should tell me that I can't or shouldn't. Because YOU may not be mentally strong enough to remain composed in a situation, doesn't mean that other people aren't.

Maybe the gun law wouldn't have made a difference. Unfortunately, we don't know that. What we do know for sure is that law abiding ADULT citizens were unable to defend themselves against a criminal because of the laws passed by the government. If you are gunman wanting to inflict mass casualties, would you go where you know people may be armed or would you go to a place where you know people will not be armed?

How conducive to learning is an environment where students and teachers have to be afraid someone will come in and start shooting them and they can do nothing but hide under their desk or jump out a window? I can't imagine it's very good.

Weebles

That was completely inappropriate, and just shows that you don't understand the whole gun law debate. YOU were taught to correctly handle a gun, but many others are not. I'm not trying to take away your gun, I think people who are not responsible should not have a gun. This cannot be accomplished without serious background checks and screenings. If you are law-abiding, you would have no problem. This shooter had a history of mental illness, and was still able to get a gun. He had been involved in stalking a few women, and was still able to get a gun. There were warning signs that he would be violent, and he was still able to get a gun. That is where I have a problem, not with law-abiding citizens. You seem to be unable to understand that gun control would benefit you, too. Try to see it in a way that is not so selfish and myopic.

cshellenberger

There are excellant classes anyone can take to learn to shoot and be responsible. They are available at many firearms dealers and through police and sheriffs departments across the country to any citizen of the US. There are also excellent gun safety courses for children to teach them to STAY AWAY from guns and report unsecured guns to adults. These should be as required in elementary and Jr high as Sex Ed and Drug awarness. My daughters are being taught Markmanship through JROTC, I have taught them basic gun safety from the time they were small, that's the responsibilty I took on by exercising my right to bear arms. With EVERY right comes RESPOSIBILITY.

People fear that which they don't understand, so, if you educate yourself and take such courses (you don't have to buy a gun to do so) you'd see how an educated gun owner may have stopped the attacks yesterday.

I gauratee you he got the gun illegally, In Viginia you can't legally own a gun with a mental illness or criminal background. I know, that's where I bought our Glock.

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