Lets Talk Politics...

cshellenberger · 03-13-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

I dont think they ever found a connection between Hussein and Al Qaeda
or any terrorist org. for that matter. Do you have the link where you read this?

Try here
http://www.husseinandterror.com/

http://regimeofterror.com/archives/postinvasion/

http://www.globalsecurity.org/securi...al-zarqawi.htm

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This is Abu Musab al Zarqawi. After running an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, he found his way to Baathist Baghdad, where he reportedly checked into Olympic Hospital, an elite facility run by the late Uday Hussein, son of the captured tyrant. Zarqawi is believed to have received medical treatment for a leg injury sustained while dodging American GIs who toppled the Taliban. He convalesced in Baghdad for some two months. Once he was back on his foot, Zarqawi then opened an Ansar al-Islam terrorist training camp in northern Iraq. Zarqawi is thought to be behind the October 28, 2002 assassination of this man, Lawrence Foley:

According to dissidents, journalists who have visited, and even United Nations weapons inspectors, Saddam Hussein appears to have offered training to terrorists, in addition to funding, diplomatic help, safe haven and medical care.

The Associated Press reports that Coalition forces shut down at least three terrorist training camps in Iraq. The most notorious of these was the base at Salman Pak, about 15 miles southeast of Baghdad. Before the war, numerous Iraqi defectors said the camp featured a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills. This satellite photo shows an urban assault training site, a three-car train for railway-attack instruction, and a commercial airliner sitting all by itself in the middle of the desert.16

If you read all the way through ,you'll see several links Hussien and his sons had with AQ terrorists along with PLO and others

DOBERMAN_07 · 03-13-2007, 12:34 PM

^^^ Im a bit buried with work right now, but I will make sure to read it sometime today

iwantmypup · 03-13-2007, 12:36 PM

I cant prove that he knew about the 9/11 , but can u prove he didnt . His face? His face has that smirk that ppl do when they think they are so "Supierior "

DOBERMAN_07 · 03-13-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

I cant prove that he knew about the 9/11 , but can u prove he didnt

How can anyone know or even THINK about passenger jets flying into buildings

iwantmypup · 03-13-2007, 12:45 PM

Really really cruel ppl , that put THOUSAND of people in iraq for OIL , we are not going to find "whoever' . real people . GOod ppl cant even imagine these thing . God i hoped they impeached bush . its so sad that bill clinton got impeached for an affair , while bush is using ppl for oil and killing innocent familiys and children in iraq .

Curbside Prophet · 03-13-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

I cant prove that he knew about the 9/11 , but can u prove he didnt . His face? His face has that smirk that ppl do when they think they are so "Supierior "

If it can't be proved, isn't it disrespectful of people to claim a conspiracy theory in the same country that gives them the freedom to make such claims?

cshellenberger · 03-13-2007, 03:50 PM

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while bush is using ppl for oil and killing innocent familiys and children in iraq .

PLEASE read who is blowing up innocent people in Iraq!!! It sure as HELL isn't Bush OR our troops!!!!!!!

I know your'e just a kid, but for God sake, my 10 year old knows more facts than you!!!!! You have JUST slapped the face of EVERY Sailor, Marine and Soldier that is over there!!!! There is NO excuse for that!!

You have a computer, use it to get the facts before you accuse people of murder. The Murderers are Saddam Hussien who murdered nearly 500,000 of his own people) , Osama Bin Laden, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Abu Nidal, Mohamed Atta and others of there ilk!

Oh, BTW, did you know that Atta met with Iraqi officials five months BEFORE 9/11?

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Czech officials insist 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta (above)

met with an Iraqi diplomat five months before piloting

American Airlines Flight 11 into One World Trade Center

Of course, we know what happened next. Mohamed Atta and his henchmen went to airports on the East Coast. Here he is in Portland, Maine at 5:45 a.m. on September 11, 2001.

Hijackers Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz al Omari clear

airport security three hours before the 9/11 attack

Within just three hours, he and the other pilots were in the air, about to reshape history. He and his evil colleagues turned this lovely vista of America's premier city …

…into a towering inferno.

They stole 2,749 innocent souls from the American family and decapitated the most powerful skyline man ever built.

Read the link, I think it will educate you.

Oh and if any are wondering if this would hold up in court, it already has!!

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So would any or all of these ties between Iraq and terrorism or Iraq and al-Qaeda, in particular, withstand judicial scrutiny? That’s the question the families of two of those murdered at the World Trade Center wondered. The survivors of George Eric Smith, a 38-year-old senior business analyst with SunGard Asset Management Systems and…

…the family of Timothy Soulas, age 35, a foreign currency specialist with Cantor Fitzgerald, sued Baathist Iraq and the Taliban for damages connected to the murders of their loved ones.

The federal trial judge was Harold Baer, Jr. a Clinton appointee. He took testimony from Clinton-designated CIA director James Woolsey and American Enterprise Institute scholar Laurie Mylroie, an adviser to the 1992 Clinton campaign. Baer learned about the Salman Pak camp, and considered other evidence of Saddam Hussein’s ties to al-Qaeda. To be fair, Baer did not hear Hussein’s side, as the Iraqi dictator did not respond to the suit. Nevertheless, Baer issued his decision.

As the May 8, 2003 New York Post and other news outlets reported, Baer ruled that Saddam Hussein’s government was complicit in the September 11 attacks and that the Baathist government owed the plaintiffs a judgment of $104 million.

Weebles · 03-13-2007, 04:20 PM

I think we all know that Saddam was a bad guy, but I don't think that's the biggest issue with politics now. Maybe Bush knew, probably he didn't (I don't think you can really prove either way). In my opinion, it's more important now to focus on the fact that the general quality of life has gone down under the current administration. The middle class is getting unable to pay for health insurance and daily costs, and education is definitely going downhill. And as for the military, I support our troops, but they are certainly not being treated well by this poorly run war. Carla, I'm glad you and your husband are doing fine as a military family, but this is not the case for many others. I have lots of friends who were suckered into joining the military by all the promises, only to be shipped off to Iraq 9 months later, with none of those promises fulfilled. Some have come back injured and are unable to receive proper care. How can anyone rationalize supporting a war with so little gain and such a huge, huge cost?

cshellenberger · 03-13-2007, 04:38 PM

I am surrounded by people who have been/ will again soon be in Iraq. Most everyone, enlisted or commisioned officer that has been there has told me what we are doing there is worth it. While my husband hasn't been there, my BIL has, he's a SeaBee and was there to rebuild schools, power plants ect. Yes, they needed gaurds (Marines) to protect them and the Civilian contractors, but he saw HOPE there. THAT'S what I support, building a country where MAYBE, just maybe we will have an extreamly strong, TRULY democratic ally in the War against terror. If we pull out and leave the job undone, what happens? We ALLOW another terrorist regime to take over and wind up with another Afganistan? Or Syria and Iran take their shares of the country and we have NO foothold to influance the region? It's not JUST about oil, yes, natural resources will ALWAYS have a part in war, it did in WWI and WWII. It's about helping a region out of the Middle Ages Feudalism and Theocracy, which is the root cause of the terrorism in the region. I'm sorry others can't see that. They just see a body count, I see a MUCH higher body count if we leave, not only of Iraqi lives, but of innocent lives around the world.

Weebles · 03-13-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cshellenberger

THAT'S what I support, building a country where MAYBE, just maybe we will have an extreamly strong, TRULY democratic ally in the War against terror. If we pull out and leave the job undone, what happens? We ALLOW another terrorist regime to take over and wind up with another Afganistan? .

Will this one potential (although highly unlikely, at least for many decades) ally make up for the ones we lose along the way? Oh that's right... I forgot that we don't care about countries like France and Germany...

iwantmypup · 03-13-2007, 05:34 PM

Job Undone? What is the job? ... Changing the subject whats ur guyses Opinions on the border fence? I think its ridicioulous . IMO i think more "terrorists" come from the canada line (not saying canadians are terroirst..but if the terriorist are are smart they come through canada )

IMO I know this may be untrue but i believe Bush just wants to WIPE out the whole middle east

tirluc · 03-13-2007, 05:43 PM

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While my husband hasn't been there, my BIL has, he's a SeaBee and was there to rebuild schools, power plants ect.

ok, so we're over there to build schools, power plants, etc. while our schools, health care and such go to pot here.....you see, I can't even get medical ins. for my family thru where i work cuz i'd have to pay $750 a mo. (out of about $1200 take home pay) and that's b/4 they know what med problems my husband has.....and the med assistance we get right now thru the state will be ended in 2 mo when my son turns 18, so we will be w/out any med benefits after that and have $1000 in meds for my husband....and it wasn't like this 10 yrs ago...then my work ins. was $200 for family.....

and i see this in many situations w/ lower-middle class families......

sorry, don't mean to tell life stories to you all, just wanted to point out the change i have seen.....

iwantmypup · 03-13-2007, 06:02 PM

Bush's way of thinking is that "richer get richer , the poorer get poorer . and the middle normal class get left in the dust

Curbside Prophet · 03-13-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

Bush's way of thinking is that "richer get richer , the poorer get poorer . and the middle normal class get left in the dust

I'm not opposed to hard/smart workers being wealthy. I highly recommend being rich to everyone.

drfong · 03-13-2007, 10:36 PM

iwantmypup, I know you don't like GW, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to like whoever they want but to say He new the 9-11 attack was going to happen is extreemly far fetched. Also Bill Clinton was not impeached for having an affair, he was not even impeached. There were hearings to determine if his lying was sufficiant to impeach him and it was determined by congress it was not, as no impeachment took place. He was there the full 2 terms. Every president, especial 2nd term presidents have there controversies.

Also I was listening to the radio yesterday, I think it was John Stancile, I know not exactly hard hiting journalism, but he was talking about the different statistics on how today is about the best time ever to be an American. From health care to enviroment to jobs he was able to give stats the debunked all the normal crap you hear everyday. Like there may be more jobs but they don't pay well, the stats prove that wrong. There are some high paying jobs gone and many other jobs don't pay as well, but there are lots of jobs paying more than ever. With all the health care proplems we are living longer healthier lives than ever, and for all the enviromental warnings the air and water are cleaner than ever since the begining of industrialisation. It's the bad that sells papers, but the good out weighs the bad.

The good is not because of GW but neither is everything that is bad. He must be God the way he is responsible for everything that happens. I know there are lots of areas that are struggling economicly, but others are booming. It is a sad reality that today you have to be willing to go where the jobs are. You can no longer just growup and stay in the same place and job your whole life. I have never understood how people who can't get a job and live in a depressed place don't just leave. There are jobs out there.

cshellenberger · 03-13-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

Job Undone? What is the job? ... Changing the subject whats ur guyses Opinions on the border fence? I think its ridicioulous . IMO i think more "terrorists" come from the canada line (not saying canadians are terroirst..but if the terriorist are are smart they come through canada )

IMO I know this may be untrue but i believe Bush just wants to WIPE out the whole middle east

You OBVIOUSLY don't live near the border, there are people from around the world that come through the back country of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. They dig tunnels that not only drugs come through but ALL sorts of illegal people. Some come through willingly, some are a part of the white slave/prostitution trade, women and CHILDREN who are tricked or kidnapped from diffrent areas around the world. I think we need more security at BOTH borders, as both are weak.

drfong, well said!

Maril · 03-14-2007, 03:24 AM

Peace36, what does your wife think about that? Oh, silly me, what woman would have you? If being emotional is 'womanly', Hillary must be in drag.

iwantmypup · 03-14-2007, 10:24 AM

I actually used to live in Southern California . No not right next to it .

Dixie Chicks said this :::: " And so you know , we are ashamed GWB is from texas" I am not from Texas , But for a "leader" of our county with all the "freedom" of speech they said it very well ...

Curbside Prophet · 03-14-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

Dixie Chicks said this :::: " And so you know , we are ashamed GWB is from texas" I am not from Texas , But for a "leader" of our county with all the "freedom" of speech they said it very well ...

If they said this in Texas, I would be fine with their opinion. But to say this in another country...IMO, that's broderline treason.

iwantmypup · 03-14-2007, 12:09 PM

they said it in like London