global warming and the oscars

drfong

I have been watching the oscars tonight, or should I say the Al Gore love fest and I was just wonder what you'll think:
Global Warming, yes or no?

DOBERMAN_07

No.

The earth goes through these cycles on its own. Nothing abnormal is going on.

Mr. N

I have yet to see any conclusive evidence that proves that "global warming" is something that we need to be conserned about.

Scientists believe that the sun goes through cycles of being hot, and being really hot. If the sun is currently hotter this cycle than it was last cycle, then it only makes sense that Earth is a little warmer during that time.

Also, scientists believe that the abundance of asphalt is causing the temperature to rise. That's why my city just spent tax payers' dollars to give away trees for people to plant out near the street. That way when the trees grow big enough, the shade will cool the asphalt... which will in turn cool the city.

I would really like to see the "studies" that they have done to observe this "global warming".

iwantmypup

Yes totally.. ..btw The oscars rocked! Well I happen to like Al Gore , But some may not lolsz

luv4gsds

Yes, I do believe in Global Warming to a point.

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Curbside Prophet

Obviously, laws are in place to limit the production of CFC's to protect our ozone layer. There is science to support the theory.

Mr. N

I wish they'd make that "science" public knowledge. I really would like to see what tests the scientists have done.
The problem I have with this kind of science (Ex: Global Warning and Second Hand Smoke) is the same problem I have with sociology studies. After reviewing several case studies in my old sociology course, I noticed that the studies are conducted in such a way that their conclusion can be stated before the study is conducted.

In other words, I believe that the science behind Global Warming is "cherry picked" and they made the study say what they wanted it to say. That is why I would actually like to review it myself.

DOBERMAN_07

Funny you should mention sociology. Just the other day I was explaining to my gf that sociology is a joke and she shouldnt waste her time with a pointless class. Her "Professor" told them the Sociology is a science and she believed her... Sometimes she is too gullible

Curbside Prophet

If you read his book, it will either put you to sleep, or it will reveal a lot about how the conclusions are drawn by statistics and science. Just don't read this book before going to bed. But yes, it would be practically impossible to do a real world experiment.

Mr. N

Who's book?

Curbside Prophet

Amazon.com: Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit: Books: Al Gore

BTW, you'd probably better serve your time reading something more current. I haven't read his latest book, and don't intend to anytime in the near future.

German Shepherd Lover

I believe the Global warming phenomena is a complete farse. My furnace hasn't stopped running for the last two weeks. Last summer the temperatures were well below normal and my boat sat most of the time. I totally agree with Mr. N.

This is just a bunch of hype for the gullable.

drfong

I believe the earth continually goes thru warming and cooling cycles. I believe we may, but probably only minimally contribute to climate change. I do believe people greatly contribute to destroying the enviroment. I'm all for being 'green' but the scare tacktics that Gore and his hollywood friends have been pushing is far from true science. Even the recent scientific report that they keep saying has all enviromental scientist saying that GW is occurring really doesn't. There are some really big names that are saying it isn't. They just burried it in the report and ignore it. I'm all for conservation, new energy sources, reducing dependency on other countries (ones that hate us at that, but that's another off-topic) but I just don't see any evidence that we as humans are causing climate change. I'm just old enough to remember the whole Global Cooling crisis about 30 years ago. If we didn't change we were heading for another ice age. It just shows you how political it is when Al Gore got more screen time at the oscars than the gold man and M. Ethrage's (who's music I usually like) crapy song wins an oscar.

Mr. N

Wait... the same Al Gore who said back in a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."? He claims to have invented the internet, and we're supposed to take this guy seriously?

Oddly enough, I was shown an article today that was made just a few days ago. The article comes from The Patriot Post. It's called "Global Warming: Fact, Fiction and Political Endgame."
It is actually a very interesting article. Here are some tidbits of what the article has to say:

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"For instance, Gore insists that the increased incidence of hurricanes, tornadoes, drought and other weather phenomena is the direct result of global warming.

Renowned meteorologist Dr. William Gray takes exception: 'The degree to which you believe global warming is causing major hurricanes,' he says, 'is inversely proportional to your knowledge about these storms.'”

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"In a recent issue of Discover Magazine, Gray, described by Discover’s editors as one of 'the world’s most famous hurricane experts,' wrote, 'This human-induced global-warming thing... is grossly exaggerated... I’m not disputing there has been global warming. There was a lot of global warming in the 1930s and ‘40s, and then there was global cooling in the middle ‘40s to the early ‘70s. Nearly all of my colleagues who have been around 40 or 50 years are skeptical... about this global-warming thing. But no one asks us.'”

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In 1997, Dr. Frederick Seitz (link), past president of the National Academy of Sciences, invited colleagues to sign a petition based on Robinson’s work, which received more than 20,000 signers, most of whom hold advanced degrees in relevant fields of study. That petition stated, in part: 'There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.'”

The full article can be found here. (The article only take the first part of that page... so don't be discouraged by its length.)

I don't know about you, but I'd rather believe the word of scientists who study these types of things on a daily basis rather than the words of a politician. The article that I posted has a lot of useful information. I really do hope that you all read it.

So, to reiterate what I said previously, I do not believe there is conclusive evidence that supports a dangerous global warming. I believe that even more strongly now that I see that a lot of scientists are saying the same thing.

Curbside Prophet

I'm by no means an Al Gore supporter, but you might want to revisit the actual quote made by Gore and the internet. It was taken out of context, although its quite amusing.

As for global warming...I don't know, but I do know our ozone layer needs to be protected. That in my mind is more important than subtle increases in our average global temperature.

Lorina

I'm not 100% sure that global warming is caused by humans and industry. But what possible harm could come from limiting pollution and protecting the environment? Aside from cutting into the already enormous profit margins of big companies.

drfong

Most of they type of polution the GW crowd is concerned about is not the type produced by those profitable companies you are talking about. Very poor countries are far worse poluters than the US and other technologicaly advanced contries. Also the companies they are targeting are not the most profitable. Car manufacturing is strugling, airlines also. We are not suposed to drive or fly so those companies will be in even worse shape. I think we can all agree that conservation is good and being enviromentally mided is good, but they economic impact if AG gets his way would be disasterous globally, over what is fake science.

CS I believe the ozone layer issue and GW are not that closely related. I remember when I was young it was a huge deal and they made lots of changes to many products, but I don't think it is related atleast not directly to the GW scare.

Curbside Prophet

Hmmm, I guess all those courses in Environmental Engineering and Chemical Engineering were a waste of time while in college, lol. I would try to explain the science and how they are related, but I don't even think I have that much attention span, lol.

drfong

Atleast give a quick and dirty version. I'm not a scientist, I just remember the deal with the ozone layer had mostly to do with CFC's in aresoles and freon, etc. I thought from what everyone in the world is coming to an end GW camp the the problems/ polutants were of a diferent make up. Also from what I have read ozone is generated from natural events/processes. The ozone layer also also opens and closes to help regulate global temps (again from what I have read in several places) Atleast the scientist who were sugesting chanes to protect the ozone layer had some theory about what was going on. With the GW crowd, what ever the current weather issue is-it's GW. Warm, mild winter-GW. Coldest, snowiest winter in a long time-GW. Terrible hurricanes wipe out florida and the gulf coast-GW. No real hurricanes this year-GW. They don't have any cause and effect that stands up. They have no idea what changes we need to make to have any effect. It is all reactionary, not science. I agree with Mr. N that there are many, many specialist in the field that don't see it but they are ridiculed or ignored. Again I'm all for protecting the earth, it's the only one we have. But scaring everyone, indoctrinating children is not the way to go. They main reason I feel this is more political that scientific is just that. Its a crisis. Scientist don't have crisis, they have facts. They deal in what they can study and replicat and manipulate. Politics, and especially democratic politics in this country, deal in crisis. Its how they motivate people, scientist motivate people with evidence, polititians use emotion.

Curbside Prophet

Without the ozone layer in our upper atmosphere, that portion of the sun's rays (UVB) that gets reflected back into space, gets trapped by the greenhouse gases in our lower atmosphere. The more greenhouse gases that are produced (ozone in the lower atmosphere is called smog) the more the sun's energy is trapped in our atmosphere. CFC's destroy our ozone layer. Somewhere there has to be a balance. I'm not sure if we need to be alarmed, but like it or not, we are also responsible for future generations...or at least we should be.

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