global warming and the oscars

luv4gsds

I'm with you on this one CP. Just check the average global temperature and look at the snow cap mountians that are melting. And the Antarctic ice sheets melting. Not all of what is happing has to do with global warming and the green house effect it is nature also.

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000...375/index.html

http://www.terradaily.com/news/iceage-05i.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9827949/...framenumber/1/

Antarctic Ozone Hole in 2005
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000...303/index.html

Mr. N

How is it taken out of context? Gore's quote that I posted was exactly what he said.
In that article that I posted, there was a section explaining all the melting ice caps and other such things. You should read it (if you haven't already).

Curbside Prophet

That's actually kind of funny because you took it out of context too. Mr. Gore had clearly taken the "initiative" in passing the legislation (the nuts and bolts of politico's) that proceeded to take, then ARPANET, out of the Hands of Government, and placing into the hands of "private citizens" (AKA "The public") as to allow for the commercialization that would permit the general public full access to what then, became the internet.

As it is simple enough to tell, *taking the "initiative"*, and *taking to "initiate"*, or "invented" as you stated, sound close enough that it could very feasibly have been simply a mis-heard from one of the reporters, that then, simply escaped all attempts to get the truth of it back out, especially towards a known to be sarcastic and cynical media. The difference is enormous. IMO, Mr. Gore handled it like a champ...but that says nothing about how I feel about his policies.

drfong

This is off topic, but I would say if this is how we got the internet, why does AG's party think the government can do a much better job of everything than the private sector. Obviously the internet proved them wrong.

Sorry, I know it OT, just saw the irony in it.

Back on topic. I thought the whole issue with smog and similar polution was it would prevent the suns rays (I don't know which ones) from geting to the atmosphere and causing decreasing global temps and the problem with loosing ozone layer was that it wouldn't filter out the suns rays (again I don't know which ones) and we would all be blind and get cancer.

drfong

Get your Carbon Credits here. Just send me lots of money and you can polute all you want. Thanks

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Captbob

This Global warming denial that seems to be popular with some political groups reminds me of the people that insisted that the world was flat, not too long ago. I have been in Alaska and seen the Glaciers melting like never before. The Gulfstream is moving south where in passes Greenland and Iceland which will eventually cause serious weather problems in Western Europe. Big sections of the Polar Icecaps are breaking off, and Polar Bears are drowning trying to swim from one ice surface to the other, which are moving further apart or disappearing altogether. It is almost unanimous among the worlds best Scientist, that Global warming is becoming a big concern and finally even the US government is starting to admit that hiding your head in the sand isn't accomplishing anything.

MagicToller

Actually, the Ozone layer problem and Global Warming are two completely different situations. Aerosol, the chemical compound used to pressurize air-spray type products, was found to cause damage to the Ozone layer and was banned in the late 50's. Global Warming is the phenomenon where increased levels of Carbon Dioxide and Greenhouse gases are hindering the radiating energy from the sun to be re-released (Normal levels of CO2 allow the earth to retain heat, but influxes in CO2 are causing substantial variations in temperature.) All of the concrete and asphalt streets and structures are not helping either, therefor causing increased temperatures which beget stronger hurricanes, higher water levels, and habitat distruction.

blackrose

I actually just did a speech on Global Warming...I don't think it is real, and if it is real to some effect, it's not going to come to what the media has said it will. Here were some things from my speech that I used:
[quote]For example: a panel of 11 climate experts from diverse fields issued a report on the subject. Quote, "The panel included university researchers, scientists from NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), as well as experts in climate modeling, satellite data interpretation and sea-surface temperature analysis." End Quote.
* "The differences between the surface and upper-air trends in no way invalidates the conclusion that the Earth's temperature is rising," said John M. Wallace, chair of the panel and professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle. "But the rapid increase in the Earth's surface temperature over the past 20 years is not necessarily representative of how the atmosphere is responding to long-term, human-induced changes
* [quote]* I was reading an article about Global Warming and the author tells this story, (This is mainly for the media....the take one warm summer to scream, "Global Warming!!!!!" This can also go the flip side: one cold winter doesn't mean Global Warming isn't true....but if we have a warm summer and a cold winter...doesn't that kinda cancel each other out?)

[quote]A study of glacial ice published by the American Geophysical Union (AGU), available on their Web site, notes that, "Examination of a 217-meter temperature profile ... reveals a recent warming in near-surface firn [a type of ice] which is within the range of natural variability, providing no definitive evidence of anthropogenically-induced greenhouse gas warming [Alley and Koci, 1990]." At the same time, however, the AGU's "Science and Society" journal notes, in an article from 1999, that the general public has become convinced that global warming is a serious problem: My biology book adressed this issue and pulling what info I can remember from the depths of my brain, it said someting along the lines that out of all Carbon Dioxide being released into the air, only 3% of it was from human things, everything else was natural. A volcanoe erupting sends more Carbon Dioxide into the air then we humans can do in I forget how many years. It also said that when Carbon Dioxide is released into the air, it isn't the only thing being released...other gasses that are released with it actually cool the earth down....do it counter acts itself for the most part. There was also a graph that showed while the Carbon Dioxide level keeps climbing, the global temperature for the past....I can't remember how many years, has stayed virtually the same.

cshellenberger

I think there is a natural cycle that we are speeding along with our polution. In a hundred or so years we will have the pedulum swing the other way and possibly end up with a mini ice age. As far as things go, I belive the US and western Europe have made the largest strides to try to slow down amount of polution going in the atmospere. Right now India and China are the worst offenders as they have few if any controls in place to control emmisions from autos or factories.

As far as Al Gore goes, we all know he discovered the Earth and invented the Internet

Curbside Prophet

And dog forums too!

drfong

Captbob, very few people are denying that the globe is warming some, it is just that we're denying that it is our fault. Polution is our fault. We have and are continuing to make great strides toward cleaning up past wrongs in that area. People need to be enviromentaly conscience, it is the responsible thing to do. But I have to strongly disagree that it is almost unanimous amoung scientist, it is not. The ones who speek out against the GWTheory are vilified and discredited, but there are lots of them. Also alot of the worlds best scientist who sign on to the GWT are not even climatolagist. Other planets and the sun are also warming, are we causing that also? I think it is more likely that the sun is causeing the earth to warm. It is a cycle that is going on and on and on. You say you have seen the glaciers melting like never before? Compared to when? How old are you? 100's or 1000's of years old? None of those greatest scientist can tell you what is causing it, they can't. They don't know.

cshellenberger

Cap't Bob, please read this, the earth has been MUCH warmer than it is now, and of course, it has been MUCH cooler.

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVF.../ice_ages.html

It explains the science and the natural cycles of the earth.

Mr. N

I don't see it that way at all. In fact, I see it quite the opposite. I mean, the people who thought the world was flat had no evidence to base their conclusion on. Same with those who join the Global Warming trend. There is no conclusive evidence for them to make the claims that they do.
Have you been to Antarctica lately? Yes, the ice caps are melting up north... but in the south, the ice caps are growing fairly quickly. If the ice is melting up north... but the ice is building up in the south... how exactly does that mean the world's heating up?
Did you even read the article on global warming that I posted? It is definitely not unanimous among the world's best scientests. In fact, it seems to be the other way around. Those who study the sun cycles, and the earth cycles and other such cycles all say that this warming period is completely natural... just as the cooling periods are.
I find it really funny that 30 years ago (when things were much cooler) that the world's "scientists" and politicians were worried about there being another ice age. It's funny that in 30 years it goes from "We're all going to freeze to death" to "We're all going to burn to death."

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