Butting in on A breeding question...

FranMan · 02-01-2007, 01:52 PM

Sorry FranMan, I'm blaming you for all this off topic nonsense.

Just kidding, but I chose to separate these posts from the original thread from here. Sorry for all the confusion. - CP

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long will it take for my dog to have her puppies

does anyone know

Quick put this on

Curbside Prophet · 02-01-2007, 02:38 PM

Ah yes, a flame suit may be required here but,...

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-01-2007, 03:19 PM

lol @ people who are butting into other's lives...

Wimble Woof · 02-01-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

lol @ people who are butting into other's lives...

Or why not lol @ people who are at their wits end trying to help the pet over population problems and rescue all these results of "cute breedings " or " I want a pup from my dog" or " she has a great temperment and so does the neighbours dog" ect...

Its not butting in, its more educating... i know some of the replies from time to time dont do much to educate, but how many times can someone stress the problems with breeding "just cause" with out losing their cool?
People should be RESEARCHING before allowing their dogs to get pregnate, and be prepared for some flaming on message boards.

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-01-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wimble Woof

Or why not lol @ people who are at their wits end trying to help the pet over population problems and rescue all these results of "cute breedings " or " I want a pup from my dog" or " she has a great temperment and so does the neighbours dog" ect...

Its not butting in, its more educating... i know some of the replies from time to time dont do much to educate, but how many times can someone stress the problems with breeding "just cause" with out losing their cool?
People should be RESEARCHING before allowing their dogs to get pregnate, and be prepared for some flaming on message boards.

Ok there Captain America no need to get excited over this...

Everyone needs to start somewhere and even the best and most experienced breeders were unfamiliar with this stuff at first. If the Doberman puppies have papers then the Thread Started will have no problem making money off of it and finding the dogs good homes. Hell, even if they dont have papers the Dogs will be picked up just as fast.

Its cool that you are taking the pet over population problem seriously, but making an internet discussion forum your crusade?

maybe you should put effort into bigger things and not waste time. Either way 99.8% of the people being flamed dont take your "education" seriously anyway.

EDIT: To educate someone you gotta use an informative tone and try not to attack them when they post...

Wimble Woof · 02-01-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

Ok there Captain America no need to get excited over this...

Everyone needs to start somewhere and even the best and most experienced breeders were unfamiliar with this stuff at first. If the Doberman puppies have papers then the Thread Started will have no problem making money off of it and finding the dogs good homes. Hell, even if they dont have papers the Dogs will be picked up just as fast.

Its cool that you are taking the pet over population problem seriously, but making an internet discussion forum your crusade?

maybe you should put effort into bigger things and not waste time. Either way 99.8% of the people being flamed dont take your "education" seriously anyway.

EDIT: To educate someone you gotta use an informative tone and try not to attack them when they post...

K, first off. Captian Canada will do just fine...
Secondly... even dogs with papers end up in rescue, it has no bearing on the amount of time the puppies take to be "taken" in by their new homes.
Thirdly... there are too many people who just dont see the actual problems that they are contributing to.. and I am not making an internet forum my crusade, I just found it insulting that you could laugh at the situation.

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If the Doberman puppies have papers then the Thread Started will have no problem making money off of it

Ethical breeders do not breed to make money off thier pups, they breed to better the breed. No ethical breeder makes money off thier pups.

And when people are trying to educate you shouldnt be laughing at it, basically stating to the OP that what is being said isnt serious.

Curbside Prophet · 02-01-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

Everyone needs to start somewhere and even the best and most experienced breeders were unfamiliar with this stuff at first. If the Doberman puppies have papers then the Thread Started will have no problem making money off of it and finding the dogs good homes. Hell, even if they dont have papers the Dogs will be picked up just as fast.

Picked up by whom? If they do go to a good home, wouldn't that home have been a wonderful home for a shelter dog? It's too late, yes. Could it have been avoided, yes. Is it wrong to provide the bridge between the gap? No.

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

Its cool that you are taking the pet over population problem seriously, but making an internet discussion forum your crusade?

maybe you should put effort into bigger things and not waste time. Either way 99.8% of the people being flamed dont take your "education" seriously anyway.

I think you assume too little of Wimble Woof and too much in calling it a crusade. I'd also like proof that people don't take the information seriously. 99.8% sounds too exact to be just an opinion.

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

EDIT: To educate someone you gotta use an informative tone and try not to attack them when they post...

Please lead us on this crusade! If there's a better way, please teach us. Tone can be very hard to identify when battling opinion, guilt, and reality.

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-01-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wimble Woof

K, first off. Captian Canada will do just fine...
Secondly... even dogs with papers end up in rescue, it has no bearing on the amount of time the puppies take to be "taken" in by their new homes.
Thirdly... there are too many people who just dont see the actual problems that they are contributing to.. and I am not making an internet forum my crusade, I just found it insulting that you could laugh at the situation.

Ethical breeders do not breed to make money off thier pups, they breed to better the breed. No ethical breeder makes money off thier pups.

And when people are trying to educate you shouldnt be laughing at it, basically stating to the OP that what is being said isnt serious.

1) Ok, captain Canada
2) If you pay ~$2,000 for a dog you will not put it in a shelter.
3) I laugh at the fact that you people are so anal about what others do with their lives.
4) Everyone is there for the money quit living in LA-LA land.
5) Big difference between educating and flaming. When you flame someone who comes here for advice, they wont take you seriously. All you are doing is decreasing the size of the members on the forum.

Wimble Woof · 02-01-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

1) Ok, captain Canada
2) If you pay ~$2,000 for a dog you will not put it in a shelter.

Who is going to pay $2000 for a pup who's parents have not had genetic testing done? Sure there are some who do, but.. then come to forums wondering why their "breeder" can no longer be contacted and the puppy is sick... or their dog has genetic health problems?

The way I see it, mass breeding is no laughing matter, and really after all health tests are done and titles achieved on the parents, for ethical breeders, there is little by means of profit being turned.
However, yes, all breeders started somewhere, but hopefully under a mentor.

I recently had a cocker spaniel here who was surrendered at 8 years old, full registration, tattooed and chipped. Im sure the origional price of that boy was a good chunk.. how can one say that there is a price tag difference on who ends up in rescue or shelters and who doesnt???? The fact of the matter is... all dog breeds, end up in shelters. Regardless of the asking price of the pup.

however to now end this thread jack and hopefully allow room for the op's questions to be answered, Im leaving this alone, should you have anything further to suggest please feel free to start a new thread. I will gladly carry on with my point in another thread.

corsomom · 02-01-2007, 06:19 PM

I doubt if anyone would pay 2000 for the ops pups.

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-01-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wimble Woof

Who is going to pay $2000 for a pup who's parents have not had genetic testing done? Sure there are some who do, but.. then come to forums wondering why their "breeder" can no longer be contacted and the puppy is sick... or their dog has genetic health problems?

The way I see it, mass breeding is no laughing matter, and really after all health tests are done and titles achieved on the parents, for ethical breeders, there is little by means of profit being turned.
However, yes, all breeders started somewhere, but hopefully under a mentor.

I recently had a cocker spaniel here who was surrendered at 8 years old, full registration, tattooed and chipped. Im sure the origional price of that boy was a good chunk.. how can one say that there is a price tag difference on who ends up in rescue or shelters and who doesnt???? The fact of the matter is... all dog breeds, end up in shelters. Regardless of the asking price of the pup.

however to now end this thread jack and hopefully allow room for the op's questions to be answered, Im leaving this alone, should you have anything further to suggest please feel free to start a new thread. I will gladly carry on with my point in another thread.

I suggest that people tone down the flaming. No further threads are necessary.

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Originally Posted by corsomom

I doubt if anyone would pay 2000 for the ops pups.

lol, go check for how much Dobies go for with papers...

Snowshoe · 02-01-2007, 06:40 PM

Hey guys,
let's focus on the thread rather then personal differences.

This person needs advice, and you're fighting about off topic conversations on her/his thread.

tirluc · 02-01-2007, 06:45 PM

do you know what impression i get from these post like this anymore? .....think about it....anybody, moron or not, could go pick up a book and find out how long the gestation period is for a dog and how long it takes for whelping the pups and how long they should be w/ the dam, etc.... the impression i get from these anymore is that somebody(ies) is/are coming on here w/ these stupid ? just to get a rise out of everyone here......

w/ as many times as this has been discussed/flamed, i'm sure they all know what the response will be from 99.9% of the people here....

and if i am wrong, to the OP, i don't mean to insinuate that you are a moron or stupid......

Alpha · 02-01-2007, 06:51 PM

tirluc- I agree wholeheartedly. While the internet would be a great place to get advice if something popped up, I don't think it's the place where you should get *all* of your information.

Your vet is probably the first place I would go, most likely to book an emergency spay...

And if that's just not possible, or moral to you, I'd still go to my vets. She knows you and your dog better than anyone here and she would be the one you'd call when she gives birth.

MagicToller · 02-01-2007, 06:57 PM

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anybody, moron or not, could go pick up a book and find out how long the gestation period is for a dog and how long it takes for whelping the pups and how long they should be w/ the dam, etc....

You couldn't be more correct.. it takes a matter of minutes to find out the most elementary aspects of breeding. Lack of such information in a person attempting to whelp a litter is well.. scary.

Snowshoe · 02-01-2007, 06:59 PM

LOL!!!

How funny they moved the thread!!!

You know, I agree that people come on this board and ask really stupid questions.

Most of the time, it makes me want to beat my head on my keyboard.

*shew* I'm done venting.

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-01-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowshoe

LOL!!!

How funny they moved the thread!!!

You know, I agree that people come on this board and ask really stupid questions.

Most of the time, it makes me want to beat my head on my keyboard.

*shew* I'm done venting.

"What kind of Breed is my dog?"

Curbside Prophet · 02-01-2007, 07:07 PM

I want to breed my Husky! Don't you think she's cute?

FranMan · 02-01-2007, 08:40 PM

Dang, I started a great thread, that's just how I roll!!!!

Snowshoe · 02-01-2007, 10:47 PM

LOL!!!!!!!!!

I had to show my BF, and we both had a good giggle!

*sigh*

You know guys...IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE ITS TRUUEEEEEEEE!!!!

btw you guys could breed your gorgeous dogs and get an awesome hybrid! You could call it a "Seapoo!!!!!"

I wonder if they're hypoallergenic, and if they'll be healthier then either a seal or a hippo...