The extinction of wolves/Alaska - Palin

2puppimsmom · 09-06-2008, 10:37 PM

Sarah Palin is paying for every wolf foreleg that is brought into her. She is involved with hunting down wolves and bears by airplanes. She is trying to wipe out the wolf population in Alaska. She is for oil companies. So she will help oil interests get into the wildlife refuge in Alaska. To me hunting any animal by airplane is not a sport. It is just thrill killing of animals. If any of you here are wildlife lovers. We need to voice our outrage of what she is doing to the wolves in Alaska.

Filnyyena · 09-06-2008, 11:18 PM

I don't condone aerial gunning of wolves and bears as a sport..but I found this website interesting:

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/200...-of-no-wolves/

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"Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has taken her share of grief over her position on wolf management. For those who may not know, her team of respected wildlife scientists and game commission, implemented a plan that involves the reduction of wolf populations in a very limited number of specific areas where it has been determined that wolf populations are too high and they are decimating the moose and caribou.

Alaska’s constitution demands that game animals must be managed to provide opportunities for its residents to hunt and fish. Allowing wolves in these isolated and limited areas to go unmanaged, is not only illegal but irresponsible as well. Many methods have been tried and due to the geography and other dynamics of the situation, it was decided to utilize aircraft as a tool to cull the wolf population. This has all been done within all the laws"

All I have read so far as my attention is needed elsewhere.

RBark · 09-06-2008, 11:23 PM

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provide opportunities for its residents to hunt and fish.

That's all that is neccessary to know. This is slaughter, plain and simple. And must be stopped.

Filnyyena · 09-06-2008, 11:27 PM

Eeh what if your livelihood depended on hunting and fishing though?

RBark · 09-06-2008, 11:31 PM

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Eeh what if your livelihood depended on hunting and fishing though?

Only maybe 5% of Alaska needs to do it for a living. She is not doing this for the 5%. She is doing it for the other 80% who want to hunt moose for sport.

Pepper · 09-06-2008, 11:32 PM

Exactly, allowing it all is horrible, but allowing it in just certain areas would make people think that it is okay to do, and everyone who wants to cull would go ahead and cull. Animal nature can take care of itself, the only reason people want to make it okay is because they don't want the animals intruding on their property, the property they took from the wolves and moose in the first place.

Willowy · 09-06-2008, 11:47 PM

Why do they kill the wolves in Alaska? They don't raise livestock in AK, so is it just to artificially raise the numbers of hoofed mammals (deer, moose, etc.) for hunters? If so, that's really not smart. The wolves cull the diseased and injured animals, which is necessary for a healthy ecosystem.

Pepper · 09-06-2008, 11:58 PM

It's because there are..."too many wolves" and since wolves eat every last moose and caribou people feel the need to cull them and make it so there are less of them. It's legal to hunt wolves and bears on foot, but that takes some skill...flying over something and shooting it is a lot easier.

The only reason people think there are so many wolves is because were moving more into their habitat...no wonder we are going to run in to them. I live in the interior of Alaska, in Fairbanks so I don't see any wolves, but 10 or 20 miles out they occasionally are seen walking across roads. My friends had one walk across his driveway a few weeks ago.

2puppimsmom · 09-07-2008, 12:18 AM

The information I got on Governor Palin was not from a political view. It was posted on the Defender's of Wildlife web sight. I keep in contact with Defender's of Wildlife and other animal and environment causes.We have to stop the slaughter of animals and destruction of the environment that animals need to live in. Animals can't change quickly, to loss of their habitat or environment. So that means a quick death. And extinction. I think any body that condones the slaughter and extinction of ANY animal that God put on this earth, has no belief in God. He put those animals on earth for a reason. And that reason was not for thrill killing or so-called sport. They were put here for our survival as part of the food chain. But they were put here for us to enjoy too. But we are supposed to take care of all the different species of animals and not slaughter them to extinction. Which is what humans are doing.

sillylilykitty · 09-07-2008, 12:45 AM

Gosh I hate that she supports and pushes the aerial gunning of wolves and bears.

I hate it!!! I think it is wrong and I cant wait until it is over. They started killing earlier this year, cant remember exactly when but I think it was February or March sometime. If they are still going at it a year from now I would assume they arent planning on stopping.

Okay, lets say Palin is doing this for population control and not for sport or the fun of it. Then why is she trying to get Polar Bears off the endangered species list???

Pepper · 09-07-2008, 12:50 AM

Because, she is obviously trying too please people. All of the polar bears are going to be gone anyways, where are they going to live when all of the ice is gone, but we can at least let them live out their last days. If they are taken off of the endangered species list, then people will decide to kill those from helicopters too.

Alaska has already banned aerial hunting twice we don't need it back, if your so dead set on getting a trophy you can get up and go hunting on foot.

Jr. Dog Expert · 09-07-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sillylilykitty

Gosh I hate that she supports and pushes the aerial gunning of wolves and bears.

I hate it!!! I think it is wrong and I cant wait until it is over. They started killing earlier this year, cant remember exactly when but I think it was February or March sometime. If they are still going at it a year from now I would assume they arent planning on stopping.

Okay, lets say Palin is doing this for population control and not for sport or the fun of it. Then why is she trying to get Polar Bears off the endangered species list???

I'm with you, I hate it too, I just can't stand to hear of these irrational (for lack of a WAY better word ) people. I hear that they do it to allow the caribou population to grow, but if they actually had a brain in that thick head of theirs, they would know that the wolves don't deplete the caribou population, they pick off the members that would contribute negatively to the gene pool such as sick or caribou with congenital defects...

Hahaha but let there not be an animal that kills ONE human without it being deemed as dangerous and needing of killing. (if that makes sense )

Filnyyena · 09-07-2008, 01:01 AM

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Alaska has already banned aerial hunting twice we don't need it back, if your so dead set on getting a trophy you can get up and go hunting on foot.

I agree.. Would give you more of a complete feeling that is for sure.

Anyone can fly in a plane/helicopter and gun down a wolf..but to track it..actually live out in the wilderness..and then hunt the wolf..that is more of a story, more of something to be proud of..

Not condoning killing animals for sport, in fact I am opposed to it because I believe you should use what you kill, but on foot is better than in a contraption imho. Brings you to a more personal level with what you are about the slaughter..

Jr. Dog Expert · 09-07-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Filnyyena

I agree.. Would give you more of a complete feeling that is for sure.

Anyone can fly in a plane/helicopter and gun down a wolf..but to track it..actually live out in the wilderness..and then hunt the wolf..that is more of a story, more of something to be proud of..

Not condoning killing animals for sport, in fact I am opposed to it because I believe you should use what you kill, but on foot is better than in a contraption imho. Brings you to a more personal level with what you are about the slaughter..

Well said, I agree!

sillylilykitty · 09-07-2008, 01:07 AM

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I hear that they do it to allow the caribou population to grow, but if they actually had a brain in that thick head of theirs, they would know that the wolves don't deplete the caribou population, they pick off the members that would contribute negatively to the gene pool such as sick or caribou with congenital defects...

Exactly! You know, they probably dont know much about wolves. They dont want to kill and eat the strongest/biggest caribou. They want the easy meals, the injured and/or sick ones. I dont see a problem with that. And a wolf has to be really messed up in the head (with rabies or some other disease) or really really hungry (as in starving!) to want to kill a human.

Pepper · 09-07-2008, 01:10 AM

Exactly, I mean I think the reason people don't hunt wolves on foot is because they are so smart and fearful of people. They don't want anything to do with us and try to avoid us as much as possible, I guess flying over one and just shooting it is a lot easier...

I think I could understand maybe capturing the wolves and relocating them to a more remote area if the population got to big in a major city, but not killing off healthy animals.

Jr. Dog Expert · 09-07-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sillylilykitty

Exactly! You know, they probably dont know much about wolves. They dont want to kill and eat the strongest/biggest caribou. They want the easy meals, the injured and/or sick ones. I dont see a problem with that. And a wolf has to be really messed up in the head (with rabies or some other disease) or really really hungry (as in starving!) to want to kill a human.

Yeah, if anything they avoid humans if at all possible. Its really strange though... dogs are about one of the most popular pets one can think of, you'd think many would have a similar respect to wolves, but it seems quite the opposite, ah I give up trying to find out what these people are thinking

Pepper · 09-07-2008, 01:12 AM

It's because of all the stories about wolves killing people, just how Pitt bulls have a bad rap.

Everything seems to be misunderstood these days, you can make anyone believe anything. If you raised your kids thinking wolves were aggressive they will most likely grow up to think that, if all kids see in the newspapers is pitt attacks, what are they going to believe? It's only the people who actually research things who know the whole story.

Jr. Dog Expert · 09-07-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

It's because of all the stories about wolves killing people, just how Pittbulls have a bad rap.

Everything seems to be misunderstood these days.

Yes and wolves have to pay the price for their stupidity... Then when they are all gone they go "Ooops I guess I shouldn't have done that"

Pepper · 09-07-2008, 01:15 AM

And the people who don't like them will just say, eh it was for the better, and that will cause it to be okay to kill more than one moose a year, because there will be no natural culling, eventually people will want to start air hunting moose too!

I've always loved wolves since I was little, and it always peeves me when I'm talking to someone who follows the stereotypes of killer wolves eating babies...Well your just soo mature.