[FriendsOfZoe]

Originally Posted by dog-man

interesting...do you remember where this is discussed...in one of the appendixes?

I have no idea...it may well be an appendix although I think I mostly used information from the books...it was probably bits and pieces of things here and there that I pulled out and combined. I wish I had the paper with all the citations in it to give you, but I lost that like 3 hard drives ago.

do the elves use some sort of birth control?
was there some sort of spay program, or are they just a bit cold-blooded?

lol...I don't think Tolkien goes into that much detail. But I like to assume that elves are just sort of above those animal instincts of that sort. Perhaps they don't have reproductive organs at all.

[ACampbell]

Maybe it's environmental sterility?
I love the LoTR books and movies, but I have to say I never thought of it like that...that goes along with "what color does a smurf turn if you choke it"...

[dog-man]

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

here's one....what were the three unions of elves and men?

aragorn and arwen is the obvious one....who was involved in the other two?

i know of Beren and Luthien.

i can't think of another.

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

another trivia...

what race is gandalf and what is his real name?

i believe he was Puerto Rican, and his original name was either Jose or Jorge, i forget.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by dog-man

i know of Beren and Luthien.

i can't think of another.

aragorn and arwen
beren and luthien
idril and tuor (idril was the daughter of the high king of gondolin. tuor was a mortal)


beren and luthien had progeny and their progeny wedded with the progeny of idril and tuor and that of that line was born elrond and elros giving rise to aragorn and arwen.

there is some mention of elvish children in the historical notations but the language is flowery and hard to decipher. especially some of the stuff written in the elvish tongues...you have to extrapolate because all this stuff was written as an exercise in philology...

Originally Posted by dog-man

i believe he was Puerto Rican, and his original name was either Jose or Jorge, i forget.

mithrandir in gondor
gandalf in the north
incanus in the south
tharkun to the dwarves

but way back before he came to middle earth he was olorin a lesser maia in might but not in wisdom and crafty nature...

[cshellenberger]

Gandalf, and the other Mages are actually Valar that took on Mortal bodies as was Melkor, to whom Sauron was sworn. It's discussed in the "Unfinished Tales" and the Silmarrilon.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by cshellenberger

Gandalf, and the other Mages are actiually Valar?

valar and maiar are the two separate cultures of the type of being called the ainur..gandalf and and the other wizards are maiar a culture subserviant to the valar..

[cshellenberger]

Originally Posted by FriendsOfZoe

I have no idea...it may well be an appendix although I think I mostly used information from the books...it was probably bits and pieces of things here and there that I pulled out and combined. I wish I had the paper with all the citations in it to give you, but I lost that like 3 hard drives ago.



lol...I don't think Tolkien goes into that much detail. But I like to assume that elves are just sort of above those animal instincts of that sort. Perhaps they don't have reproductive organs at all.

Actiually Elves DO have children, however they don't reproduce as readily as Humans due to their immortality.

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

valar and maiar are the two separate cultures of the type of being called the ainur..gandalf and and the other wizards are maiar a culture subserviant to the valar..

Actually they are Istari. Curunir (Saruman) Mithrander (Gandalf) and Radagast are mentioned by name, though there were 5 that traveled to Middle Earth, Their original names were Curumo(Saruman), Aiwendal (Radagast) Olorin (who was clad in Gray) Alatar and Pallando.

[dog-man]

anybody here enjoy the songs and poems?

i liked hobbit beer songs, and some of bilbo's serious stuff.

i tried to follow some elvish songs, to get some info.

but, for the most part, i skimmed real fast every time.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by dog-man

anybody here enjoy the songs and poems?

i liked hobbit beer songs, and some of bilbo's serious stuff.

i tried to follow some elvish songs, to get some info.

but, for the most part, i skimmed real fast every time.

my two fav tolkien songs:

Tom Bombadil's Song
Frodo:
Ho! Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo!
By water, wood and hill, by the reed and willow,
By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us!
Come, Tom Bombadil, for our need is near us!

Tom Bombadil:
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow,
Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow.
None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the master:
His songs are the stronger songs, and his feet are faster.

Wake now my merry lads! Wake and hear me calling!
Warm now be heart and limb! The cold stone is fallen;
Dark door is standing wide; dead hand is broken.
Night under Night has flown, and the Gate is open!

Hey! now! Come hoy now! Whither do you wander?
Up, down, near or far, here, there or yonder?
Sharp-ears, Wise-nose, Swish-tail and Bumpkin,
White-socks my little lad, and old Fatty Lumpkin!

and the elven hymn to elbereth

Snow-white! Snow-white! O Lady clear!
O Queen beyond the Western Seas!
O light to us that wander here
Amid the world of woven trees!

Gilthoniel! O Elbereth!
Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath,
Snow-white! Snow-white! We sing to thee
In a far land beyond the Sea.

O stars that in the Sunless Year
With shining hand by her were sown,
In windy fields now bright and clear
We see your silver blossom blown!

O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
We still rember, we who dwell
In this far land beneath the trees,
Thy starlight on the Western Seas.

Originally Posted by cshellenberger

Actiually Elves DO have children, however they don't reproduce as readily as Humans due to their immortality.




Actually they are Istari. Curunir (Saruman) Mithrander (Gandalf) and Radagast are mentioned by name, though there were 5 that traveled to Middle Earth, Their original names were Curumo(Saruman), Aiwendal (Radagast) Olorin (who was clad in Gray) Alatar and Pallando.

text? notations? which book? on the istari references? saying that istari are not maiar? I don't remember that...though it's been a long time since I read the books...