[McSweeney]

Completely justified, but it's frustrating to see such a great organization allow a few marketing guys to cash in on vegans' well-intentioned but misguided consciences. Being a vegan is an ethical choice. Imposing your ethics on a carnivore? Eh, not so much.

[Hallie]

This is so stupid. It's so pointless it's a bad concept period. Unfortunately some people are stupid enough to actually buy the food and feed their dog (carnivore or not still requires meat) a meat free food. I personally know someone who tried a vegetarian dog food with her dog and it was devestating for the dog, she saw decreased energy levels and the poor dog looked horrible.

[Labsnothers]

While I think it can be done, I think it is a dumb idea. I have very different values than HSUS

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

i know. ive been watching and lmao.

i think vegan dog food iss cruel.

and we wont even get into what i think of that supposed "great organization"

[MyCodyBoy]

I am vegan and I would never consider feeding my dog a vegetable based diet.
I have just chosen to make better choices for him like a free ranged antibiotic free raw diet.

There are so many choices out there that a vegan diet for a dog is beyond extrem and seriously detrimental to their health. No good pet owner is thinking fo their dogs best intrest if they though feeding a dog a vegan diet was a good idea.

Bridy

[Keechak]

pretty much everything the HSUS puts out is crap.

[Darkmoon]

Originally Posted by McSweeney

Completely justified, but it's frustrating to see such a great organization allow a few marketing guys to cash in on vegans' well-intentioned but misguided consciences. Being a vegan is an ethical choice. Imposing your ethics on a carnivore? Eh, not so much.

Great organization? You do know who the HSUS really is right? They aren't your local shelter, heck they don't really even deal with shelters at all. They are an Animal Rights group. If they ever were to get their way you'd no longer have any pets.

Oh and don't even get me started on their rules against Pit Bulls. While they have changed over the past year, they still can't be trusted. They have ruined many people's lives by falsely accusing people.

The HSUS are idiots. Plan and simple.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by Darkmoon

Great organization? You do know who the HSUS really is right? They aren't your local shelter, heck they don't really even deal with shelters at all. They are an Animal Rights group. If they ever were to get their way you'd no longer have any pets.

Oh and don't even get me started on their rules against Pit Bulls. While they have changed over the past year, they still can't be trusted. They have ruined many people's lives by falsely accusing people.

The HSUS are idiots. Plan and simple.

[british accent]smashing good post madam. absolutely smashing![/ba]

[JohnnyBandit]

Originally Posted by McSweeney

Completely justified, but it's frustrating to see such a great organization allow a few marketing guys to cash in on vegans' well-intentioned but misguided consciences. Being a vegan is an ethical choice. Imposing your ethics on a carnivore? Eh, not so much.

great organization?

HSUS and Peta are not animal welfare organizations. They are radical animal rights organizations that are not the friend of anyone that owns a pet.

Both organizations do nothing but harm animals. The HSUS harms dogs in shelters every day by "stealing" money in the way of donations, from local humane societies.

[nainai0585]

This reminded me of a show called the Goode Family. The entire family where vegan's and they believed their dog absolutely loved being a vegan too....lets just say, a lot of neighbourhood squirrels went missing

[McSweeney]

Originally Posted by Darkmoon

Great organization? You do know who the HSUS really is right? They aren't your local shelter, heck they don't really even deal with shelters at all. They are an Animal Rights group. If they ever were to get their way you'd no longer have any pets.

Oh and don't even get me started on their rules against Pit Bulls. While they have changed over the past year, they still can't be trusted. They have ruined many people's lives by falsely accusing people.

The HSUS are idiots. Plan and simple.

Pretty harsh (and inaccurate) over-generalization of the HSUS in my opinion. As a 15-year volunteer for five different Humane Societies in three different states, I've found the organization, at least at the local grassroots levels, to be earnest and dedicated. I've never encountered even a hint of the "PETA-esque" activism you speak of.

I actually respect the HSUS more than most rescue groups for just being realists. We've all seen the shows: Dogtown, Pitbulls and Parolees, etc. How many millions of dollars are sunk into "no-kill" shelters that could be better spent on adopting out good dogs? I know, "there's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners," blah blah blah. If a dog is aggressive and attacks a person or God forbid a child, his upbringing doesn't magically undo the attack. My dog is an animal shelter rescue with a sad story, but if he attacked any one of my three children he wouldn't live out the hour. Euthanization is a sad but necessary tool, and at least the HSUS has the guts to make that hard choice.

[JohnnyBandit]

Originally Posted by McSweeney

Pretty harsh (and inaccurate) over-generalization of the HSUS in my opinion. As a 15-year volunteer for five different Humane Societies in three different states, I've found the organization, at least at the local grassroots levels, to be earnest and dedicated. I've never encountered even a hint of the "PETA-esque" activism you speak of.

I actually respect the HSUS more than most rescue groups for just being realists. We've all seen the shows: Dogtown, Pitbulls and Parolees, etc. How many millions of dollars are sunk into "no-kill" shelters that could be better spent on adopting out good dogs? I know, "there's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners," blah blah blah. If a dog is aggressive and attacks a person or God forbid a child, his upbringing doesn't magically undo the attack. My dog is an animal shelter rescue with a sad story, but if he attacked any one of my three children he wouldn't live out the hour. Euthanization is a sad but necessary tool, and at least the HSUS has the guts to make that hard choice.

The inaccuracy lies in your information. You said you volunteered at "As a 15-year volunteer for five different Humane Societies in three different states".

Those humane societies you volunteered at have NOTHING to do with the HSUS.

The HSUS operates no shelters.
In fact through their deceptive fundraising, they "rob" funds from local Humane Societies. People give to the HSUS thinking they are donating to the Local Humane Society. Which is not the case.

The HSUS is actually worse than peta. They are the wolf in sheeps clothing.

[pugmom]

Originally Posted by McSweeney

Pretty harsh (and inaccurate) over-generalization of the HSUS in my opinion. As a 15-year volunteer for five different Humane Societies in three different states, I've found the organization, at least at the local grassroots levels, to be earnest and dedicated. I've never encountered even a hint of the "PETA-esque" activism you speak of.

I actually respect the HSUS more than most rescue groups for just being realists. We've all seen the shows: Dogtown, Pitbulls and Parolees, etc. How many millions of dollars are sunk into "no-kill" shelters that could be better spent on adopting out good dogs? I know, "there's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners," blah blah blah. If a dog is aggressive and attacks a person or God forbid a child, his upbringing doesn't magically undo the attack. My dog is an animal shelter rescue with a sad story, but if he attacked any one of my three children he wouldn't live out the hour. Euthanization is a sad but necessary tool, and at least the HSUS has the guts to make that hard choice.

So all Pit bulls in shelters are there because they have attacked at person?....I don't get that line of thinking at all?

IMO no dog that has attacked a person should be adopted out no matter the breed....and as for the remark about money should be spent on "good dogs"...I have news for you ...PIT BULLS ARE GOOD DOGS!

[Darkmoon]

LOL. You are under the impression that the HSUS is your local shelter or incharge of some of the local shelters. They are not. Any money they recive goes toward their plans in goverments and raiding "fighters and mills" and only maybe a small percentage goes toward shelters, IF they are housing one of their bust, even then, it's barely anything.

This http://www.humanesociety.org/ Is NOT even in the same class as this http://www.hs-scm.org/

The first link is to the Animal Rights group (Not to be confused with Animal Wellfare groups), they don't run any shelters, they steal money from local shelters by people thinking they are donating to the shelters by having a very similar name. They are the ones that are always looking for a witch hunt when there rarely is one.

The second link is a local shelter. They are GREAT people who work daily with the animals and adopt them out. I adopted my Pit Bull from them actually. Great shelter who I trust fully on who they put up for adoption.

and I'll quote Pugmom on this because it is the truth:

no dog that has attacked a person should be adopted out no matter the breed

Don't beleive us, call and ask your local Humane Society how much they get from the HUSU in funding. You'll be shocked.

[McSweeney]

So all Pit bulls in shelters are there because they have attacked at person?....I don't get that line of thinking at all?

I don't get that line of thinking at all either, which is probably why I never said it or remotely implied it.

As for debating what I actually said, I very much appreciate the info on the HSUS's ties (or lack thereof) to local Humane Societies. Looks like I have to make a few phone calls.

[RonE]

McSweeney, I have to congratulate you for your willingness to check it out and consider the possibility that you have been misled.

A lesser person would have just gotten defensive and stormed out of here without learning anything at all. We see it all the time.

[McSweeney]

Originally Posted by RonE

McSweeney, I have to congratulate you for your willingness to check it out and consider the possibility that you have been misled.

A lesser person would have just gotten defensive and stormed out of here without learning anything at all. We see it all the time.

For a guy who's right as much as I am, I have to have the humility to admit I'm wrong every once in a blue moon.

I kid, I kid. I got no problem dumping HSUS if they're less than forthcoming about their advocacy. I stopped giviing money to PETA in the early 90s and never looked back because of their opposition to testing animals for cancer and HIV research.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

a fun link for McSweeney

http://dogpolitics.typepad.com/my_we...terilize_.html

[pugmom]

Originally Posted by McSweeney

I don't get that line of thinking at all either, which is probably why I never said it or remotely implied it.

As for debating what I actually said, I very much appreciate the info on the HSUS's ties (or lack thereof) to local Humane Societies. Looks like I have to make a few phone calls.

Sorry if I miss read you post...

Dogtown, Pitbulls and Parolees, etc. How many millions of dollars are sunk into "no-kill" shelters that could be better spent on adopting out good dogs?

it just sounded like you were saying that that all the dogs on these shows were ether people aggressive or not "good" dogs....which is very far from the truth...my bad

[Laurelin]

Unfortunately the HSUS capitalizes on the fact that their name is so incredibly close to local humane societies. It's horribly misleading and done so on purpose. Many animal lovers donate to them thinking the money goes to local humane societies and that's just not the case. I think that's what makes me so mad about them is their intentional misleading of people trying to help shelters and homeless dogs.

Look into what happened with Katrina for starters.