Truth on Science Diet! Read!

bully · 11-09-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pugmom

Yeah it is pretty painful to read that someone thinks I should have been denied the life savings surgery and following treatment for the tumor on my oveary because I enjoy an occasional ice cream cone and a trip to IHOP..................silly me

Ouch!! No I said:
"I like people who speak the truth. This must be painful to read for some"

Define "occasional", then I'll respond.

Labsnothers · 11-09-2009, 08:40 AM

I think it is unjust and immoral to insult others with statements that you have nothing but your world view to back up.

bully · 11-09-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Labsnothers

I think it is unjust and immoral to insult others with statements that you have nothing but your world view to back up.

You just keep feeding your dog Science Diet and let the informed have an informed discussion.

pugmom · 11-09-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bully

Ouch!! No I said:
"I like people who speak the truth. This must be painful to read for some"

Define "occasional", then I'll respond.

Occasional: adjective
1. occurring or appearing at irregular or infrequent intervals; occurring now and then: an occasional headache.

bully · 11-09-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Labsnothers

I think it is unjust and immoral to insult others with statements that you have nothing but your world view to back up.

You are the king of:

"you have nothing but your world view to back up"

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Originally Posted by pugmom

Occasional: adjective
1. occurring or appearing at irregular or infrequent intervals; occurring now and then: an occasional headache.

It's OK spit it out - call it free nutritional therapy!!

pugmom · 11-09-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bully

You are the king of:

"you have nothing but your world view to back up"

It's OK spit it out - call it free nutritional therapy!!

Spit what out?

bully · 11-09-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pugmom

Spit what out?

"I enjoy an occasional ice cream cone and a trip to IHOP"

How often is often - I didn't need the Wiki run around. Denial is the first step. We have work to do.

Foyerhawk · 11-09-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by trumpetjock

My problem with SD isn't the fact that it's a crap food. I don't rag on other crap foods nearly as much as SD. My problem with SD is that it is pushed by so many vets and other sources as this amazing food that is so much better than grocery brands when it's nearly identical to them.

It's a grocery brand in a different wrapper, sold by vets for 4x the price. That's what makes me hate it.

I agree! This, exactly.

I wouldn't feed that stuff to my dogs if you paid me.

DobManiac · 11-09-2009, 09:02 AM

Pugmom don't let one persons opinion that is defiantly in the minority ruin your day. It is after all still very early in the morning.

pugmom · 11-09-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bully

"I enjoy an occasional ice cream cone and a trip to IHOP"

How often is often - I didn't need the Wiki run around. Denial is the first step. We have work to do.

You asked to define Occasionally.....that is what you got

You want to know how often I get Ice cream or go to IHOP? then ask!....try to refrain from being rude

2-3 x per month to 0x per month

bully · 11-09-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pugmom

You asked to define Occasionally.....that is what you got

You want to know how often I get Ice cream or go to IHOP? then ask!....try to refrain from being rude

2-3 x per month to 0x per month

Jesus.. I did ask "Define Occasionally"

I'm not arguing over 2 ice-cream cones gave you cancer - you are. I'm sorry to hear you went through that ordeal. I've lost 3 people in the family to it.

The truth to this matter is you are what you eat, drink, and breathe. You smoke and eat McDonald's, it is arguable that others shouldn't have to pay your doctors bills.

You feed your dog cheap food - expect "more" health issues

pugmom · 11-09-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bully

Jesus.. I did ask "Define Occasionally"

I'm not arguing over 2 ice-cream cones gave you cancer - you are. I'm sorry to hear you went through that ordeal. I've lost 3 people in the family to it.

The truth to this matter is you are what you eat, drink, and breathe. You smoke and eat McDonald's, it is arguable that others shouldn't have to pay your doctors bills.

everything is arguable.....if you skydive, ski, snowboard, roller blade, play football and injure yourself should I have to pay your doctor bills?

I'm not auguring over whether or not ice cream gave me cancer but whether or not I deserve to not have health care to cover the treatment of it because I made a choice that someone else did not agree with

Dobmniac-thank you....but don't worry one person who likes to be rude to strangers on the internet for no other reason then their own peronsal pleasure (I guess?) isn't going to ruin my day LOL

DobManiac · 11-09-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bully

The truth to this matter is you are what you eat, drink, and breathe. You smoke and eat McDonald's, it is arguable that others shouldn't have to pay your doctors bills.

And others shouldn't have to pay for food and shelter for housing for prisononers...

Or pay for the car of someone that tried to commit suicide...

Or pay for the public school system if they send their children to private school....

Or pay for housing for the homeless that honestly don't want to work...

Do we really won't to go down this road? Because it won't end well for anyone concerned.

Ayanla · 11-09-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wlfdg

...Otherwise, if you make unhealthy choices with your life you should be denied healthcare.

Please do define for me what choices would warrant a denial in health care, and who would get to draw up those guidelines and make the decision. I guarantee you there is at least one choice you make or have made in your life that someone else would deem unhealthy. Since there is very little consensus when it comes to various aspects of health, you're going to be very hard pressed to find an actual definition of a "healthy lifestyle" that everyone agrees with.

I'm of the opinion that, regardless of what I think of you or your choices, every person should have access to quality health care, period. Call me a bleeding heart liberal if you must (though I'm not), but it sickens me that someone would sentence a fellow human to suffer and/or die because of lifestyle choices they don't agree with.

dleggs15 · 11-09-2009, 10:30 AM

Being there is so many people agaisnt SD I am one that uses the K/D brand for my dog with kidney problems! I have not had any problems with her on it so far and have used it for 3 years now. I also have a very sensitive bulldog. Before using the K/D she had problems with her kidneys after using the K/D we have not had any kidney problems and I get her levels checked about every 4-6 months and always come back normal! so yes it might not be the choice for a lot of people but for some it could work for!

bully · 11-09-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pugmom

everything is arguable.....if you skydive, ski, snowboard, roller blade, play football and injure yourself should I have to pay your doctor bills?

I'm not auguring over whether or not ice cream gave me cancer but whether or not I deserve to not have health care to cover the treatment of it because I made a choice that someone else did not agree with

Dobmniac-thank you....but don't worry one person who likes to be rude to strangers on the internet for no other reason then their own peronsal pleasure (I guess?) isn't going to ruin my day LOL

No.

Choices have consequences. If I pay for your operation - You'll eat what I say

Just keeping it real.

Let's get back to the poor dogs who have no choice in what they eat so stop feeding them CHEAP CRAP

Wlfdg · 11-09-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayanla

Please do define for me what choices would warrant a denial in health care, and who would get to draw up those guidelines and make the decision. I guarantee you there is at least one choice you make or have made in your life that someone else would deem unhealthy. Since there is very little consensus when it comes to various aspects of health, you're going to be very hard pressed to find an actual definition of a "healthy lifestyle" that everyone agrees with.

I'm of the opinion that, regardless of what I think of you or your choices, every person should have access to quality health care, period. Call me a bleeding heart liberal if you must (though I'm not), but it sickens me that someone would sentence a fellow human to suffer and/or die because of lifestyle choices they don't agree with.

I laid it already. If you make poor choices in food consumed, smoking, drinking, drugs, etc....
Next, I do not believe in health care, period. The world is vastly over populated and the fear of death motivates people to selfishly seek any avenue possible to further extend their lives. It enables poor health choices. As you are probably thinking it, I have lost people very close to me. LOTS OF THEM! I have faced the reality of my own death and am quite shocked that I survived. Medical intervention is not what kept me alive but good judgment. I do take part in activities that are easily deemed unhealthy. I backcountry ski for a living. I jump off cliffs. I mountain bike. I hunt in grizzly country. I used to be a professional fighter. I have no desire to have anyone pay to bail me out of a bad situation or save my life should medical intervention be deemed necessary. I would accept the consequences of my choices and die!
I do not eat stockyard meat, factory farmed vegetables or fruit, grains, tubers, legumes or consume dairy. I don't drink, smoke or do drugs. I exercise everyday at the most intense level possible.

Pugmom, Thanks for calling me crazy! I never said I could deny you health care. I can't deny you anything. I don't have that power.

Blueberries are a treat as they should be a seasonally available berry. But, do to technology they aren't.

bully · 11-09-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayanla

I'm of the opinion that, regardless of what I think of you or your choices, every person should have access to quality health care, period. Call me a bleeding heart liberal if you must (though I'm not), but it sickens me that someone would sentence a fellow human to suffer and/or die because of lifestyle choices they don't agree with.

I agree. But couldn't there be a points system or something saying you pay more or less depending on your "lifestyle choices" ??

I eat crappy food - I pay 30% more. Wouldn't that work? Too bad dogs are the victim of irresponsible dog owners who don't "care" what they feed.

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Originally Posted by Wlfdg

Next, I do not believe in health care, period. The world is vastly over populated and the fear of death motivates people to selfishly seek any avenue possible to further extend their lives. It enables poor health choices.

Amen. We are on a path to destroy the earth and all the living on it, like a disease. Just imagine if we didn't exist how nice this place would be.

Face it - This thread was answered on the first page - S.D. is bad. Now it's getting interesting

So take health into your own hands, or leach of a broken system after you "up size" your combo.

LOL

Northern_Inuit_Luv · 11-09-2009, 01:56 PM

wow...this thread is starting to go way off topic....

Xeph · 11-09-2009, 02:10 PM

Never has the word bully been more apropos....

Sounds to me like a Health Hitler...

I do think that Science Diet has turned into complete crap. That said, I do still see a need for the prescription formulas, because as much as they suck, some dogs can't eat everything else.

Not every dog can tolerate EVO that can tolerate Natural Balance that can tolerate TOTW, that can tolerate.....

Dogs are not made equally.

I wouldn't disagree that dogs are carnivores, but they are certainly not obligate carnivores, like cats.