Truth on Science Diet! Read!

Terrie · 10-22-2009, 12:58 AM

Don't know if what I am about to say is true but I've read that some of the things included in by-products in pet foods are the euthed dogs and cats that vets get rid of.

I also saw a video about it too. They showed a HUGE pile of deceased animals along with body bags and other trash and then they dumped the whole thing into a huge grinder. Whether it ended up in pet food or not, I have no idea. Just in-case, I stay away from foods with by-products.

Northern_Inuit_Luv · 10-22-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrie

Don't know if what I am about to say is true but I've read that some of the things included in by-products in pet foods are the euthed dogs and cats that vets get rid of.

I also saw a video about it too. They showed a HUGE pile of deceased animals along with body bags and other trash and then they dumped the whole thing into a huge grinder. Whether it ended up in pet food or not, I have no idea. Just in-case, I stay away from foods with by-products.

I've heard that too...someone more knowledgable than myself was coaching me through my transition to RAW and said she had seen that...the idea in and of itself is disgusting...I never researched it more because I want to live in happy bliss.

Ayanla · 10-22-2009, 10:41 AM

You two are in luck! The National Renderers Association has a website and a lot of information about what they do and how. They even have their book, "Essential Rendering" online at http://nationalrenderers.org/assets/...ering_book.pdf

You too can read for yourself about how Meat Meal, and Meat & Bone Meal,

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are officially described as the rendered product from mammalian tissues including
bone, but exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure,
stomach, and ruminal contents, except such amounts as may occur unavoidably in
good processing practices (AAFCO, 2006)

Euthanized pets are mammals. However, I can't find a source other than internet scare mongering sites, that says that euthanized pets go in for rendering. Does anyone have a more reliable source that says one way or another?

MafiaPrincess · 10-22-2009, 10:52 AM

I had some links a ways back where some of the major brands of commercially popular lower quality dog food had been tested for pentobarbitol and which ones had come back positive.. Was maybe studies from 2001 though.. Couldn't get more current stats. If the food contained drugs ever though can't say I'd want to feed it now.

Nargle · 10-22-2009, 11:13 AM

I remember reading somewhere that they debunked the myth that euthanized dogs and cats are being put into cheap dog food. The chemical they found was a fluke, or was present in animals other that dogs and cats I think. I don't remember the article, but I'm sure someone will have it.

Ayanla · 10-22-2009, 12:00 PM

Heh, once I get curious about something, I just can't stop looking.

I found this article
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...607483,00.html

which, towards the bottom, talks about investigations from KMOV in St Louis and the LA Times that indicate pets make it into the rendering plants, but the only "copy" of the LA Times article I could find is on a site I'm not confident in.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0106-03.htm

I did find, however, the kmov articles regarding this issue. They're "investigative" reports.

http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...d1.fe2444.html

http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...3.5603c1b.html

http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...4.660dbde.html

It does seem that, at least at this one particular rendering plant, there were euthanized companion animals being rendered at some point in time. There's no reason to believe they weren't going into pet food as general "meat meal". There's no law against it, and very little regulating done. I would categorize this on the "likely happens" side, though I can't find any other information about it...yet.

Edit: Found the FDA article Nargle referenced
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersO.../ucm129131.htm

Northern_Inuit_Luv · 10-22-2009, 12:35 PM

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It does seem that, at least at this one particular rendering plant, there were euthanized companion animals being rendered at some point in time. There's no reason to believe they weren't going into pet food as general "meat meal". There's no law against it, and very little regulating done. I would categorize this on the "likely happens" side, though I can't find any other information about it...yet.

this talk is making me sick to my stomach

SandyPuppy · 10-22-2009, 02:25 PM

I once asked our local humane society what they do with all the euthanized pets and they listed a few things they do with them and one of them was sending them off to a place that adds them to pet food.

Terrie · 10-22-2009, 03:00 PM

Wow, I didn't think so many would react to my post.

Here's the video I spoke about. It's quite graphic, however, be warned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9DTzDfYMxo

bully · 10-28-2009, 08:53 AM

By product meal anyone?

brecken · 10-28-2009, 11:34 AM

the only thing that i dislike about science is that it has fillers in it otherwise its really only good for the vitamins and the minerals. its a really good food i just cant deal with a food that has fillers in it

flipgirl · 10-28-2009, 07:30 PM

All I can say is wow and disgusting. Whether it's the human or pet food industry, it's still disgusting. I always wonder why people where I work want to keep the utensils used to put the dog and cat food in bowls separate from the human ones. It's not like the utensils are going in the animal's mouths or anything but I guess this would be why.

zj0n · 11-06-2009, 08:52 PM

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All I can say is wow and disgusting. Whether it's the human or pet food industry, it's still disgusting. I always wonder why people where I work want to keep the utensils used to put the dog and cat food in bowls separate from the human ones. It's not like the utensils are going in the animal's mouths or anything but I guess this would be why.

(First off I am so happy with all the comments made, even though there are a lot of rude ones, its okay and appreciated)

I am disgusted as well, I honestly did not know what was put in these dog foods. I mean I had an idea, and that there was not so good products in it. But a dogs digestive system is different and may vary. So maybe the not-so-good foods put in the dog food may actually not be so bad?

But may I ask what dog food would be suggested? Especially for a diabetic dog? Would it be ok to switch a food that my doggie has been eating most of his life? And not dry dog food, my dog just stares at me when I ever try and give him dry food. Lol thanks

Labsnothers · 11-06-2009, 10:37 PM

Read through the Dog food forum. See how many threads people were feeding a common brand and the dog was doing well on it. Then they switched to something ''better'' and the dog did terrible. Hummmmm, I wonder why the highly experienced team of professionals at the dog guide school put this in their puppy raisers' manual, ''Stay away from premium foods and special diets like lamb and rice or turkey and barley.'' They actually are telling me not to spend my money to buy their dog premium food. As for the lamb and turkey, there is nothing wrong with them. They just want us to stick to chicken to make it easier to work around it if a dog ever does develop allergies. I know a lady that they advised her to switch to a lamb based food after her dog guide developed an allergy to chicken.

If you dog has done well on Science Diet for years, I think the only

Pai · 11-06-2009, 10:54 PM

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Read through the Dog food forum. See how many threads people were feeding a common brand and the dog was doing well on it. Then they switched to something ''better'' and the dog did terrible.

Read through the Dog food forum. See how many threads people were feeding a common brand and the dog was doing terrible on it. Then they switched to something ''better'' and the dog did better. =P

Dogs are individuals. Some dogs have allergies to the common fillers in cheap food, and other don't. Some dogs do well on grain free, and others don't. The POINT is, you need to find the food that works for your dog, whatever it is. Research various dog food ingredients, and the history of the company you're planning to buy from (to see if there is a history of problems or not) and make your own educated decisions.

Wlfdg · 11-06-2009, 11:12 PM

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Hummmmm, I wonder why the highly experienced team of professionals at the dog guide school put this in their puppy raisers' manual, ''Stay away from premium foods and special diets like lamb and rice or turkey and barley.'' They actually are telling me not to spend my money to buy their dog premium food.

Then they should be shut down for promoting poor health practices to their animals. Dogs are CARNIVORES! Feeding grains to herbivores is a terribly unhealthy practice feeding them to carnivores is IMMORAL! Promoting feeding grains to carnivores is UNJUST AND DISGUSTINGLY IMMORAL!

Michiyo-Fir · 11-06-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Labsnothers

Read through the Dog food forum. See how many threads people were feeding a common brand and the dog was doing well on it. Then they switched to something ''better'' and the dog did terrible. Hummmmm, I wonder why the highly experienced team of professionals at the dog guide school put this in their puppy raisers' manual, ''Stay away from premium foods and special diets like lamb and rice or turkey and barley.

Actually...most people that dogs have no problems with are not going to bother posting because you only post for a suggestion or if you have a problem.

The majority of us have great results with better food but we're not all going to post about it or else you're going to have a few thousand posts a day just telling people how good a food is, which is really pointless unless someone's asking.

You see a lot of people posting about switching food problems because that's exactly it. The PROBLEMS is what makes people post in the forums!

I actually just phoned the local guide dog school out of curiosity of what they feed. They said their dogs are all on Wellness until they leave and the new owners are free to feed whatever they can afford/want to. And here you were telling us that most guide dog schools are AGAINST premium foods and ONLY feed grocery brands.

Labsnothers · 11-07-2009, 09:16 AM

There are about a dozen dog guide schools in this country and a number of other schools training various other service dog schools. One way or another, I have learned what a number of them feed. All the larger ones feed one of the common brands.

Michiyo-Fir · 11-07-2009, 09:22 AM

Um....Guide dog school of Canada.....not large?

Wlfdg · 11-07-2009, 10:16 AM

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There are about a dozen dog guide schools in this country and a number of other schools training various other service dog schools. One way or another, I have learned what a number of them feed. All the larger ones feed one of the common brands.

Because it's cost effective or outright donated, NOT BECAUSE IT'S HEALTHFUL! Are you for real?