Truth on Science Diet! Read!

Labsnothers · 10-20-2009, 09:42 AM

So where are all the dogs that got mad cow disease from eating Science Diet?

bully · 10-20-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Labsnothers

A little knowledge is dangerous. Properly processed grains are a good source of nutrition for dogs.

Good as in, minimal, just barely - yes. But it's low on the list of BEST nutrition for dogs

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So where are all the dogs that got mad cow disease from eating Science Diet?

Just keep feeding your dog Science Diet.

trumpetjock · 10-20-2009, 10:08 AM

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You all read this part right?

BY-PRODUCTS - premium food has none.

BSE (mad cow) isn't even a concern in the slightest. You know how many head of cattle have come down with it in the united states?

Three.

Yeah, 3 cattle in the history of the united states herd. Currently there are 31.7 million head of beef cattle in the United States. So even if we still had those 3 cattle in the herd, that would be .000001% of the herd being infected. Not to mention the fact that there's a really good chance that BSE can't cross the species barrier to canines. It was surprising enough to scientists that it could in humans, while the other variants of prions like scrapies are very species specific.

Why are people even talking about mad cow in dog food?

Labsnothers · 10-20-2009, 01:05 PM

With no facts, fall back on fear mongering.

Wlfdg · 10-20-2009, 11:29 PM

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A little knowledge is dangerous. Properly processed grains are a good source of nutrition for dogs.

What? That's absurd! Where did you get that idea?

bully · 10-21-2009, 09:15 AM

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What? That's absurd! Where did you get that idea?

Obviously from the Science Diet bag, so it's the truth.

Still waiting for that study that proves grains are best for canines.

Still waiting.......

Labsnothers · 10-21-2009, 10:13 AM

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/...34/8/2141S#top

Actually there isn't any study proving grains are best. After all, you can formulate an excellent diet using a wide variety of ingredients. Some of the grain free foods may be just as good as Science Diet.

bully · 10-21-2009, 10:33 AM

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After all, you can formulate an excellent diet using a wide variety of ingredients. Some of the grain free foods may be just as good as Science Diet.

Correct.

It just happens that 80% of the ingredient list on the cheaper kibble really isn't that good for dogs when it comes to nutritional value and absorption percentages by their systems. It literally goes right through them.

Ayanla · 10-21-2009, 10:52 AM

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http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/...34/8/2141S#top

Actually there isn't any study proving grains are best. After all, you can formulate an excellent diet using a wide variety of ingredients. Some of the grain free foods may be just as good as Science Diet.

This study is useless in the discussion of quality of science diet versus foods like Orijen, Evo, or a raw diet. This study compares crap and expensive crap. It's also a study done on minks, not dogs. If you're going to say that we can't compare wolf digestion to dog digestion, then I'm going to disqualify the article based on mink digestion.

I want to see the science that says a food full of grains and fillers is as good or better than a grain free food full of quality meat proteins for a dog. I'm open minded about the whole thing, I really am, but no one on the "feed science diet" bandwagon has shown anything even remotely in the science arena to say why someone should choose science diet over Orijen.

Wlfdg · 10-21-2009, 03:21 PM

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Obviously from the Science Diet bag, so it's the truth.

Still waiting for that study that proves grains are best for canines.

Still waiting.......

I hope you aren't holding your breath?
Grains aren't good for us and we're omnivores. Grains aren't even good for cows and they're herbivores. How can anyone believe that grains are good for carnivores?

RonE · 10-21-2009, 03:31 PM

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Grains aren't good for us and we're omnivores.

Wait! Grains aren't good for us?

That's disappointing news.

Wlfdg · 10-21-2009, 03:52 PM

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Wait! Grains aren't good for us?

That's disappointing news.

They create a net acid load in our bodies without providing any necessary nutrients, not good!

Northern_Inuit_Luv · 10-21-2009, 04:48 PM

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Excellent point!

Why are we so quick to accept everything the premium foods tell us? How do you know you can trust them anymore than the other grocery store brand foods? Just because the ingredients read a certain way that doesn't guarantee a certain amount of meat protein, or even that these ingredients are coming from good sources.

Which is why mine eat all meat, lovingly prepared by me. Everything I buy is inspected for human consumption (not that beef heart is my choice diet) and I inspect every individual piece of meat they eat...if anything looks, feels or smells funny, I toss it. I know EXACTLY what they are eating. The question is: do you?

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wouldnt touch SD with a 10ft pole

ditto

DobManiac · 10-21-2009, 07:24 PM

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Which is why mine eat all meat, lovingly prepared by me. Everything I buy is inspected for human consumption (not that beef heart is my choice diet) and I inspect every individual piece of meat they eat...if anything looks, feels or smells funny, I toss it. I know EXACTLY what they are eating. The question is: do you?

I fed raw as well. There is no better way to know ingredients than to do it all yourself.

Labsnothers · 10-21-2009, 08:23 PM

No sense arguing with those with their own facts.

Nargle · 10-21-2009, 08:47 PM

Every time someone says "My dog lived X number of years on [insert cheap dog food brand here]," I always wonder how much longer that dog could have lived on a better dog food.

Perhaps the dogs that "do well" on cheap dog food were genetically programmed to live longer anyways.

Darkmoon · 10-21-2009, 08:48 PM

You know that saying "The only thing that 2 dog trainers can agree on is that the third one is doing it wrong"

You can say the same thing about people with dog food...

Wlfdg · 10-21-2009, 09:07 PM

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No sense arguing with those with their own facts.

Your "fact" is that it is good and healthy to feed a carnivore a corn based food?
Canis Lupus Familiaris is not a omnivore.
You should watch this movie if you think corn is so good.
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/kingcorn/

Northern_Inuit_Luv · 10-21-2009, 09:58 PM

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Your "fact" is that it is good and healthy to feed a carnivore a corn based food?
Canis Lupus Familiaris is not a omnivore.
You should watch this movie if you think corn is so good.
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/kingcorn/

Huh...that looks really interesting...I'm going to look for it this weekend. Thanks for the heads up!

Labsnothers · 10-21-2009, 10:09 PM

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You know that saying "The only thing that 2 dog trainers can agree on is that the third one is doing it wrong"

You can say the same thing about people with dog food...

Good point. I think everybody has said all that is worth saying.