Truth on Science Diet! Read!

bully · 10-16-2009, 02:41 PM

You win, don't listen to this "healthy" movement that is happening it's all crap.

DJsMom · 10-16-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zj0n

Anyway, thank you for hearing me out, I have been wanting to spread the word for a long time, because there seems to be a lot of negativity on science diet, of which it bothers me. Thanks again

Thank you very much for going to the trouble of informing us! Now I guess I'll continue to feed my dogs what works best for us.

MafiaPrincess · 10-16-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Michiyo-Fir

I don't think we need to be so mean just because someone else has their own opinion!

It's not mean. It simply isn't sugar coated. OP joined to push their truth about SD which isn't the truth at all. Anyone can have opinion. Touting that their opinion is the truth and all others are misinformed needs correction. I was polite not rude. I just simply didn't baby anyone about it. If someone needs that much sugar coating if they want to make a large post on their truth maybe they need a different sandbox to play in.

TxRider · 10-17-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Stelladog

As people have mentioned, a few cases don't provide "truth". There are some 100+ year old people that have smoked for 75+ years, but yet that isn't proof that smoking is heathly.

I believe nutritionally SD is ok and probably better than what I feed to myself. But the unregulated additives will cause problems for some dogs and in general will result in a less healthly life.

I didn't want to add another negative response to this thread, but the call to "Read!" as if something meaningful was within was just asking for a group kick-down.

In the same vein my family has had a lot of dogs, I'm 50 with 3 siblings, All of them lived healthy happy lives eating cheap dog food and lived to quite old. That said they were also all mutts with no special issues.

A lot of modern breeds are not that genetically sound, and have issues ranging from skin to eyes and ears to bones to joints and I can easily see them benefiting from a a premium designed diet for their needs. I'm going through that now.

All my previous dogs have simply been fed supermarket kibble, with meat scraps, egg, bacon fat and other things thrown in at times. My last was a lab mix that was jumping fences and catching frisbees at 12 on that kind of diet, and lived to 16 before her kidneys finally gave out.

My fist pure bred I have now, a GSD, I have allergy issues with, so it's high dollar premium for her. My new dog, another mutt, lucked out she'll be getting the same high dollar food as the Shepherd.

SandyPuppy · 10-17-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bully

It's not mean - it's protecting everyone from reading the WRONG information!! Tip-toe, tip-toe blah.

These dogs with diarrhea.. How long were they on the good food? My pup had the runs for two days and now craps like a champ!! It takes some dogs 2-4 weeks to adjust their system to real/better food.

I had a dog a while back that did better on a lower quality food. I tried her on a higher quality and she was on it for longer than a month and she had horrible horrible gas that did not go away.
My current dog Sandy is doing much better on a higher quality food.

MoosMom · 10-17-2009, 08:50 PM

My personal opinion on dog food is this," Would I want to eat what the bag says is in it?" I would eat my dogs Wellness kibble over SD kibble any day. But that's just me.

TxRider · 10-17-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SandyPuppy

I had a dog a while back that did better on a lower quality food. I tried her on a higher quality and she was on it for longer than a month and she had horrible horrible gas that did not go away.
My current dog Sandy is doing much better on a higher quality food.

ROFL, that reminds me of Hope on Canidae, not only did she have the runs half the time but the farts were simply godawful and so frequent..

I have no problem with folks feeding any of cheaper foods if their dog does well on them. As I've said all my mutts always have, though I add to the food whatever meat scraps, grease, etc. and raw eggs occasionally.

Evidently such is not the case for all dogs though, as I have discovered with Hope. Allergies are definitely an exception, and infections they cause are a lot more expensive than the pricey top end food.

Kina_A · 10-19-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MoosMom

My personal opinion on dog food is this," Would I want to eat what the bag says is in it?" I would eat my dogs Wellness kibble over SD kibble any day. But that's just me.

same here!!

bully · 10-19-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MoosMom

My personal opinion on dog food is this," Would I want to eat what the bag says is in it?" I would eat my dogs Wellness kibble over SD kibble any day. But that's just me.

1. Pet foods may be made from animals in which the presence of prions, which cause encephalopathies such as BSE in cattle and variant CJD in humans, may be likely. According to the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO), animal by-products in pet food may include parts obtained from any animals who have died from sickness or disease provided they are rendered in accordance to law. As well, cow brains and spinal cords, not allowed for human consumption due to the possibility of transmission of BSE, are allowed to be included in pet food intended for non-ruminant animals. As prions are not exactly living microorganisms, even cooking cannot prevent the transmission of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE).

2. Nutrition in pet food is often substituted for a cheaper alternative. You may have noticed that pet foods are measured for "crude protein" or "crude fibre". Both have nothing to do with protein content and fibre content we have become so accustomed to in human foods. Crude protein is calculated by taking Total nitrogen multiplied by the nitrogen conversion factor = 6.25. Crude protein can therefore be artifically raised by adding non-protein nitrogen. Non-protein nitrogen (or NPN) refers collectively to components such as urea, biuret, and ammonia, which are not proteins but can be converted into proteins by microbia in the ruminant stomach. Due to their lower cost compared to plant and animal proteins their inclusion in a diet can result in economic gain, but at too high levels cause a depression in growth and possible ammonia toxicity (microbes convert NPN to ammonia first before using that to make protein.) Crude fibre is the term given to the indigestible part of foods, defined as the residue left after successive extraction under closely specified conditions, and has nothing to do with dietary fibre. Therefore long-term consumption of dog food may not be enough to meet a human's dietary needs and could possibly cause problems due to inability to use NPN to efficiently create proteins.

Isn't Science Diet (and other cheap brands) looking yummy now

flipgirl · 10-19-2009, 08:26 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't this apply to the higher end foods as well? Some companies can guarantee the percentage of meat their food contains (i.e. Nature's Variety, Timberwolf) but that doesn't mean it doesn't include the 'ruminants". I'm not disagreeing with you in terms of Science Diet and the cheap brands but I'm not sure whether some are just buying into the premium language that is on a bag of Orijen or Nature's Variety etc.

Pretty scary about those prions...sounds like an alien name.

bobhester · 10-19-2009, 08:44 PM

I am not sure how good SD is or was for that matter but my Doberman ate SD for many years and lived to be almost 18. He was healthy the day he was put to sleep except for severe arthritus and could not stand. However, on the other side of the coin our Rottweiler many years later lived to be 16 on Pedigree. But if given a choice (or a SD subsidy) I perfer SD.
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Labsnothers · 10-19-2009, 10:09 PM

It comes down to judging a food by how well dogs do eating it or how good the ingredients sound to you. A dog's body has no way of telling whether a molecule of amino acid came from corn, chicken byproducts, or free ranging organic New Zealand lamb.

DobManiac · 10-19-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by flipgirl

Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't this apply to the higher end foods as well? Some companies can guarantee the percentage of meat their food contains (i.e. Nature's Variety, Timberwolf) but that doesn't mean it doesn't include the 'ruminants". I'm not disagreeing with you in terms of Science Diet and the cheap brands but I'm not sure whether some are just buying into the premium language that is on a bag of Orijen or Nature's Variety etc.

Pretty scary about those prions...sounds like an alien name.

Excellent point!

Why are we so quick to accept everything the premium foods tell us? How do you know you can trust them anymore than the other grocery store brand foods? Just because the ingredients read a certain way that doesn't guarantee a certain amount of meat protein, or even that these ingredients are coming from good sources.

Labsnothers · 10-19-2009, 10:30 PM

Yeah, I read about ''Up and comers'' in Forbes all the time, small business that use clever marketing to achieve high markups and compete with the big boys.

lightforce18 · 10-19-2009, 11:10 PM

wouldnt touch SD with a 10ft pole

wolfsnaps · 10-20-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Labsnothers

It comes down to judging a food by how well dogs do eating it or how good the ingredients sound to you. A dog's body has no way of telling whether a molecule of amino acid came from corn, chicken byproducts, or free ranging organic New Zealand lamb.

I thought plant cells had thicker walls and were less bioavailable to carnivores?

ladyshadowhollyjc · 10-20-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zj0n

I signed up for these forums, just so I can spread my word on Science Diet. I had 2 Mini Poodle Dogs, I fed them both Science Diet they're entire LIVES. And im not talking about the DRY science diet.

One of my doggies lived until 19, and the other 21 years old. They're entire lives they have had so much energy and a very healthy life. They could have lived longer, but I will not go into details. Age catches up when they live that long.

Now I have a diabetic dog, of which I give him insulin twice a day. Also which I feed him science diet, (Beef and chicken). He is now 14 years old, and as a diabetic dog, he is incredibly healthy with much energy. I will feed my dogs science diet forever, and I can not stress how much I want other people who loves their dogs to feed them science diet as well. They will live a long and happy healthy life.

Anyway, thank you for hearing me out, I have been wanting to spread the word for a long time, because there seems to be a lot of negativity on science diet, of which it bothers me. Thanks again

I'm glad you found something that has worked for you!
It feels great when you figure out the food that your dog just does amazing on, doesn't it?

Labsnothers · 10-20-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfsnaps

I thought plant cells had thicker walls and were less bioavailable to carnivores?

A little knowledge is dangerous. Properly processed grains are a good source of nutrition for dogs.

azh25 · 10-20-2009, 08:02 AM

Science diet is garbage food. Premium foods contain human grade meat. Low grade foods contain roadkill, dead animals from vets offices. See the USDA website (agriculture) You will change your food.

bully · 10-20-2009, 09:39 AM

You all read this part right?

BY-PRODUCTS - premium food has none.

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"animal by-products in pet food may include parts obtained from any animals who have died from sickness or disease provided they are rendered in accordance to law. As well, cow brains and spinal cords, not allowed for human consumption due to the possibility of transmission of BSE, are allowed to be included in pet food intended for non-ruminant animals. As prions are not exactly living microorganisms, even cooking cannot prevent the transmission of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE)."