[MafiaPrincess]

Anyone read this yet?

http://www.hillspet.com/hillspet/min...=1254024765849

[ioreks_mom]

oh my! i needed a laugh, thank you

this seems like baloney (bologna - how do you spell it with the "ee" sound at the end ???) to me!

ignores fact that wild canines ingest large amounts of prey fur which coat bones and prevents puncture damage

i tried going to the site that they cite as the source for this fact and it says that the page i am looking for is not quite ready yet. i really can't see a stomach knowing "ok this is bone, i have to take this fur and wrap it around it so it passes" i could be completely wrong, i have not researched anything about wolves diets.

[CoverTune]

Wow. That was so in-depth! I learned a lot! *phew* Ok, I'm so glad they just saved my dogs lives, I can't believe I was considering feeding raw!

I'm off to buy some Science Diet now!

*please note the HEAVY sarcasm here* lol

[MafiaPrincess]

Hahah. I think they see they are possibly loosing profits all over.. Easier to create an anti raw article than an anti better kibble one I guess.

[DobManiac]

Honestly "most" of what the article says is true, but blown out or proportion. For instances RAW food does contain bacteria. But nowhere in the article does it discuss dogs’ and cats’ digestive tracts and their ability to deal with extra bacteria.

Pets eating B.A.R.F. diets or other raw food diets are at increased risk for intestinal obstruction, fractured teeth and gastrointestinal perforation.

This is true as well. But what about the increased risk of cancer, obesity, and dental disease associated with bad kibble diets? Not to mention that all of these supposed risks from feeding RAW greatly decrease if the owner has any basic common sense.

Don’t you just love half truths.

[railNtrailcowgrl]

ROFL! Thanks I needed a good laugh! I agree with DobManiac half-truths are soooo nice.

[Terrie]

"Eating raw bones is good for domestic dogs. False – ignores fact that wild canines ingest large amounts of prey fur which coat bones and prevents puncture damage"

When I read that, I thought "Wow, just wow." I guess when I feed raw, I'll just leave the fur on and it'll be okay!!!

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

what if you do leave the fur on? because I do.

the majority of my meat comes from hunters. I deep freeze it for a minimum of one month and for the most part feed it whole after washing it in apple cider vinigar. the only thing I don't feed whole is deer for obvious reasons.


the article is rather ridiculous in that its all half truths as dob said as well as some major assumptions culminating in
a sales pitch.

*snorts*

[briteday]

OOOHHHH!!! I guess after many years of feeding raw I'll go right out and buy some Science Diet TODAY!!!!

What about the fact that people handle raw meat to feed their human families without much trouble? Bones...my dogs crush them (and they are tiny dogs!)...I have never seen actual bone in their stools. Too much protein, phosphorus????? Where did they get their degree in biochem...certainly not the same place I did. Not enough taurine for a cat? Well, you can easily supplement taurine but fresh raw meat has plenty. And recent research is starting to show that dogs need more taurine than previously believed. Raw meat (vs cooked) contains more taurine. So why would I feed cooked meat to either my dogs or cat if I was concerned about taurine? But oh yes, just like me, if they want they can add it back in as a supplement...

[skelaki]

Gracie says she'll risk it and stay on her nice raw diet, "crunch crunch." And I was just about to run out and buy a bag of SD, too,,, NOT!

[winniec777]

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

the only thing I don't feed whole is deer for obvious reasons.

killjoy....

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

killjoy?

maybe im just slow..tis been an icky week

[winniec777]

Sorry - I was joking. Killjoy as in one who spoils the fun of others. The mental picture of Bolo having a heckuva party with a whole deer was amusing. Kid in a candy shop, fox in a hen house, Bolo with a whole deer, etc. etc.

[RaeganW]

I actually found it interesting that they made a point to use the BARF abbreviation. I mean, I've seen it before and realize it's a little tounge-in-cheek, but if I'm Suzy Dogowner? "Ewww, some people feed thier dogs barf?!" I don't know. I just feel like they use that abbreviation just for the added gross factor.

Can anyone offer some information on Point 6?

Grains and carbohydrates are not digestible by domestic dogs. False – dogs are quite capable of gaining large amounts of energy from grains. Nearly 99% of the starchfraction and 60- 84% of the protein fraction of commonly used grains is digestible in dogs.

I found the article they cite (A Google search turns it up very readily) and I'm trying to get through that. I know a lot of people on here feed grain-free, and I usually do, and if there wasn't some data to back up a grain-free kibble I don't think anyone would bother to offer it, so what's the deal?

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

if exploding hot diarhea that made her yelp while pooing was any indication, my dog doesnt do well on grain foods..

strangely the diarhea has stopped since switching to non grain feed(prey model raw)

thats really all i need

[phoebespeople]

There are some very funny replies to this post, however, the position that Hill's and the Veterinary associations take in regards to RAW pet food diets makes me so angry. I don't take these things they say as misguided half-truths, they are pure lies. Lies told to scare people away from feeding their dogs a natural diet so they purchase their products instead. Why do we let them get away with it? Why is this OK? The next time a Vet recites this bullsh*t to me, I'm going to let 'em have it! It's not OK to lie to me like that.
I don't know if you can tell, but I'm a very enthusiastic RAW food supporter.
Raw fed dog owners UNITE! Long live the RAW fed dog!

[Pai]

Oh, you mean a company that makes (subpar) dog kibble is not the most unbiased source for information on Raw Feeding? Say it ain't so!

Thanks for the link, that page was great for a laugh.

[wolfsnaps]

Its funny that this topic comes up. The other day a science diet food rep gave me a pamphlet about the food. I take all the rep things they hand out and then scrutinize them. Science Diets is a JOKE. They claim they use high quality protein and list corn gluten meal as the source.

Im pretty sure that plant's bioavalibilty is lower than, say, animal protein. And for the prices, I just don't get why people still buy this. Other than they don't know any better and all they hear is good things about science diet.

And off topic sorta, my mastiff will eat anything, willingly. He eats pills with glee. The other two you have to force because the pills taste gross. He ate a raw potato today (I couldn't get it out of his mouth in time), he eats anything. I got a free bag os science diet when I was in a pinch for dog food and he wouldnt eat it. The DOG food. (He eats his food now, they eat TOTW happily)

I hate this kind of advertising. Its ridiculous

[Pai]

Just as an addition here: Their 'fact' number 5, talking about how cats cannot get all their nutrients from raw meat because they need Taurine? That's a blatantly twisted statement, because CATS METABOLIZE TAURINE FROM MEAT PROTEIN. Taurine is not some 'magic vitamin' that cats can only get from commercial cat food. It's such a ridiculous play by them on people's ignorance. It's quite insulting.

Aside from the fact that yes, dogs CAN digest vegetable/fiber/grains (although to be exact, they digest less of it compared to what they can digest from meat which STILL means meat is a superior nutrient source), the entire list is so full of misinformation and fearmongering.

It's funny they think their enemy is Raw feeders (thus they needed to make up this list), when I honestly believe that more people are just feeding their dogs BETTER QUALITY KIBBLE and/or homecooked food now, not pure raw diets. And Science Diet's ingredient list just can't compare to a superior kibble product, let alone raw/barf food.

[ioreks_mom]

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

if exploding hot diarhea that made her yelp while pooing was any indication, my dog doesnt do well on grain foods..

strangely the diarhea has stopped since switching to non grain feed(prey model raw)

thats really all i need

having to wash iorek's bum 2 times a day EVERY day on kibble was a good indication for me too!