Science Diet's Anti-Raw Article

zimandtakandgrrandmimi · 09-30-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by winniec777

Sorry - I was joking. Killjoy as in one who spoils the fun of others. The mental picture of Bolo having a heckuva party with a whole deer was amusing. Kid in a candy shop, fox in a hen house, Bolo with a whole deer, etc. etc.

you know i did give her a whole deer leg once just to see what she would do with it...

SunnyPaw · 09-30-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

you know i did give her a whole deer leg once just to see what she would do with it...

So, how did she handle the leg?

zimandtakandgrrandmimi · 09-30-2009, 04:00 PM

she hit herself in the face with it a lot tossing it around and then ran around the yard with it in a few circles beforre settling into it.

she's a goof.

SunnyPaw · 09-30-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

she hit herself in the face with it a lot tossing it around and then ran around the yard with it in a few circles beforre settling into it.

she's a goof.

LOL -I love the tossing. It is pure joy!

winniec777 · 09-30-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

she hit herself in the face with it a lot tossing it around and then ran around the yard with it in a few circles beforre settling into it.

she's a goof.

LOL! Wish I could have seen that!

HersheyPup · 09-30-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfsnaps

And off topic sorta, my mastiff will eat anything, willingly. He eats pills with glee. The other two you have to force because the pills taste gross. He ate a raw potato today (I couldn't get it out of his mouth in time), he eats anything. I got a free bag os science diet when I was in a pinch for dog food and he wouldnt eat it. The DOG food. (He eats his food now, they eat TOTW happily)

ROLF!! This made me laugh so hard, I couldn't stand it! The picture of a Mastiff with a potato in his mouth trying to get it down before you could yank it out of his giant mouth..just tickles me!! and he doesn't like SD...huh? lol!

Terrie · 09-30-2009, 11:00 PM

I don't know, I feel rather convinced...I think I'm going to buy all the Science Diet I can afford.

phoebespeople · 10-01-2009, 02:58 PM

If anyone has an extra $2500 lying around you can buy this report:
http://www.packagedfacts.com/Fresh-Pet-Food-1420439/
It will tell you why companies like Hill's (Colgate Palmolive) are so worried about people switching to RAW diets. Millions of dollars are at steak.

The name of the report is:
"Fresh Pet Food in North America: The Raw/Frozen, Refrigerated and Homemade Wave"

Here's an article about it:
http://www.mediapost.com/publication...&art_aid=86047

flipgirl · 10-01-2009, 06:16 PM

Well I don't think Hills is in any danger of going out of business considering the number of people who feed their pets this food, including the ones who work for animal hospitals because they believe it's better since the doctors recommend it. I think there is a growing number of people feeding their pets either homecooked or raw diets and Hills feels a need to defend themselves. Just like they did when they sent the animal hospital where I work a brochure on the benefits of by-products. Corn gluten meal MAY or MAY NOT be a good source of protein but is it a complete protein? I think not. Can a dog or cat derive quality protein from corn gluten meal? (and the sad thing is, it's not even whole corn they're defending) I don't think so either. Whether dogs are descendants of wolves or not, they are carnivores so they need meat. I'm sure they could survive on some grain; they are scavengers. Instead of distributing silly articles, maybe they should spend their money on making at least a better quality kibble. I just hate selling this expensive food to people and they don't have money but will spend the money for their pet. I wish I could at least tell them to get a better kibble. The funny thing is, they cited Ian Billinghurst's book, Give a Dog a Bone. Ian is the pioneer of BARF is he not? While I have only worked at an animal hospital since last December, I have yet to see a dog or cat come in with salmonella, listeria or E.coli from eating raw. Most of the animals that come in are eating, guess what? Hills or Medi-cal or Royal Canin...go figure.

Siberian Husky Lover · 10-01-2009, 06:28 PM

It's there way of trying to make a profit. There are good kibbles out there, but SD has corn filler, which dogs are allergic too. Before I even know that there were corn fillers in like Purina, Kibbles n' Bits, etc. I used to feed my dog Purina, (was my first time of being a dog owner) then I did some research and found out all this. I was giving my dog junk food basically. Then I finally found a good dog food and that's called Innova. I couldn't believe how shiny my dog hair was! I'm also think about RAW diets, but I heard after eating maybe can spread salmonella? Is this true?

Pai · 10-01-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flipgirl

Just like they did when they sent the animal hospital where I work a brochure on the benefits of by-products. Corn gluten meal MAY or MAY NOT be a good source of protein but is it a complete protein? I think not. Can a dog or cat derive quality protein from corn gluten meal? (and the sad thing is, it's not even whole corn they're defending) I don't think so either.

My husband works with Corn Gluten. It's basically corn sawdust. His company ships it to Asia to feed chickens. So you can just imagine how irrelevant such a product is to a dog's biology.

skelaki · 10-02-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Siberian Husky Lover

It's there way of trying to make a profit. There are good kibbles out there, but SD has corn filler, which dogs are allergic too. Before I even know that there were corn fillers in like Purina, Kibbles n' Bits, etc. I used to feed my dog Purina, (was my first time of being a dog owner) then I did some research and found out all this. I was giving my dog junk food basically. Then I finally found a good dog food and that's called Innova. I couldn't believe how shiny my dog hair was! I'm also think about RAW diets, but I heard after eating maybe can spread salmonella? Is this true?

That would be highly unlikely to occur. The main thing is to use a bit of common sense when handling the raw meat, such as washing your hands afterwards, or washing the dog's face and paws if needed.

Frankly, our current obsessive worry about germs and such is making us sicker. We need to relax a bit and just use common (well, not so common these days) sense precautions.

Siberian Husky Lover · 10-02-2009, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by skelaki

That would be highly unlikely to occur. The main thing is to use a bit of common sense when handling the raw meat, such as washing your hands afterwards, or washing the dog's face and paws if needed.

Frankly, our current obsessive worry about germs and such is making us sicker. We need to relax a bit and just use common (well, not so common these days) sense precautions.

I'm glad to hear. Yes the worries about germs is making us sicker. I'm not to worry about it, I have a nephew which he loves to play with my dog and licking face maybe after raw meal wouldn't be good. That is why I asked about the whole salmonella part.

Thanks for the info!

megbot · 10-02-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

she hit herself in the face with it a lot tossing it around and then ran around the yard with it in a few circles beforre settling into it.

she's a goof.

I rarely laugh out loud when reading stuff online. This was an exception. I can only imagine the sight of that, lol.

Pai · 10-02-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian Husky Lover

It's there way of trying to make a profit. There are good kibbles out there, but SD has corn filler, which dogs are allergic too.

Some dogs are, not all. But it's a very common allergen and has one of the lowest digestibility among all the grains.
I like to read through old dog books, and even back in the early 1920s they knew that corn often caused hotspots! Check it out! It's amazing how much the average dog owner has regressed in knowledge since those days.

Most of the dog food recipes I've read in those old books (late 1800s to early 1900s) recommend exactly the feeding styles that many people are doing today in terms of high-meat content and homecooked meals. When kibble companies started aggressively advertising in the 50s, they did a good job of keeping people ignorant and misinformed so that they would keep buying kibble and be afraid of feeding anything else. But historically, dogs have been fed raw and homecooked food for far longer than they have ever been fed commercial kibble. For Hills to try and fearmonger people and outright try to mislead them about that fact just cements my low opinion of them.

Siberian Husky Lover · 10-02-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pai

Some dogs are, not all. But it's a very common allergen and has one of the lowest digestibility among all the grains.
I like to read through old dog books, and even back in the early 1920s they knew that corn often caused hotspots! Check it out! It's amazing how much the average dog owner has regressed in knowledge since those days.

Most of the dog food recipes I've read in those old books (late 1800s to early 1900s) recommend exactly the feeding styles that many people are doing today in terms of high-meat content and homecooked meals. When kibble companies started aggressively advertising in the 50s, they did a good job of keeping people ignorant and misinformed so that they would keep buying kibble and be afraid of feeding anything else. But historically, dogs have been fed raw and homecooked food for far longer than they have ever been fed commercial kibble. For Hills to try and fearmonger people and outright try to mislead them about that fact just cements my low opinion of them.

Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, some dogs are allergic and some eats it perfect. My Loba wouldn't eat purina after the first 8 months, I think it was. I had to find better food. I do some homecooked meals, instead of that trying to put on a raw diet (for breakfast), and 1/2 kibble of Innova (for dinner). I think that would be a heathly diet. I think it's all about research, not just the internet, but also some books.