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Old 02-11-2007, 10:51 AM   #1
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Royal Canin

Thoughts on Royal Canin? My chi is on this temporarily I saw a bag of Royal Canin Chihuahua and hey I thought give it a shot. Actually it's not due to the fact it's breed specific. I heard it was a good brand.Before I tried Purina Puppy(before I had education on nutrition) and Eagle Pack. Trying diffrent brands to give myuy chi variety.
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:33 PM   #2
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how often are you switching foods? Careful your not switching too suddenly.
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:34 PM   #3
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You should find a brand of pet food that works for you, and stick with it.

Changing foods all the time isn't a great idea. It could cause upset in your dogs stomach, as well as cause your dog to become picky.

Royal Canin is a funny brand. When I first read the ingredients, I wasn't super impressed. It looked like a good food, but I would put it at higher end of mid grade ratings.

However it FEEDS REALLY well. Most dogs that eat Royal Canin look really good, feel really good, and eat really well.

RC definatly varies from bag to bag. The Chihuahua formula isn't nessicarily the BEST of all the RC. The ingredients are as follows:
Chicken meal, rice, ground corn, brown rice, soy protein isolate, chicken fat (naturally preserved with mixed tocopherols, rosemary extract and citric acid), natural chicken flabvor, dried egg powder, dried beet pulp, powdered cellulose, salmon oil, potassium chloride, sodium alumino silicate, chicory extract, soya oil, sodium tripolyphosphate, choline chloride, DL methonine, calcium carbonate, taurine, vitimans (I won't type out all of them out, but it contains E, C, B6 and B12, B1, D3, B2, calcium etc) Trace minerals as well. Green tea extract and chondroitin sulfate.

It ahs a crude Protein of 28%, Crude fat of 16%, Fiber of 4.2%, Moisture of 10%, 200mg/kg of glucosimine, and 390 mg/kg chondroitin.

It's calorie content is 336 kilocalories/cup.

The RDP is 3/4 of a cup for a 5lb dog (average sized chihuahua).
The size, shape, smell and ingredients in the food are there to be tempting as well as beneficial to the specific dog - the kibbles are slightly larger than some smaller kibbles to help the dog chew them properly (therefore cleaning their teeth). The food does have a higher grain content which helps for a slightly larger stool (not enough to increase the AMOUNT of times that they are pooping, but enough to make the poop slightly larger) which helps to clean out as it comes out (which can help with small dogs, as a lot of them are prone to needing their anal glands excreted). It brags on the front of the bag to be great for fussy small dogs with "exclusive savor", it claims to have tarter reduction effects, and help with stool odor relief.


I have a chihuahua who eats the royal canin. However, he does not eat the Royal Canin Chihuahua food. I think that 3/4 of a cup is a lot of food for him to eat every day, and I don't really need the corn to be that high in the ingredients. I like grains to be present in the food (as I'm not 100% sold on completely grain free diets, and I do a lot of grain-free treats such as freeze dried liver etc, so he wouldn't get grains from the cookies), but I don't need them to be in that quantity.

I feed him the RC mini special food. The ingredients of this food are: Chicken meal, chicken, brewers rice, brown rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), corn gluten meal, dried egg, beet pulp, natural chicken flavor, brewers yeast, canola oil, chicory extract, salmon oil, potassium chloride, monosodium phosphate, drietd sweet potatoes, choline chloride, salmon meal, dicalcium phosphate, flax seed, zinc proteinate, citiman E supplemtn, dried blueberries, dehydrated alfalfa meal, dried spinach, marigold extract, folic acid supplement, zinc oxide, iron sulfate, manganese proteinate, biotin, sage, copper proteniate, calcium panthothenate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, vit A supplement, pryridozine hydrochloride, sodium selenite, rosemary extract, ascorbic acid, niacin supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamine, ascorbic acid, niacin supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamine, monotrate, vitiman B 12 supplement, calcium iodate, , vitamin D3 supplement.
Crude protein is 30%, Crude fat is 22%, Fiber is 3%, Moisture is 10%, omega 6 fatty acids min 4.5%, omega 3's are .76%

It has 517 kilocalories per cup.
It recomends to feed 1/3 or 1/2 of a cup a day (varying with the amount of exercise that the dog is doing)

I like the ingredients more for sure, and I like the fact that they put in a few extra fruits and veggies that the chihuahua food is lacking. I also like the fact that because of the higher calorie content the dog is able to eat less. This not only means slightly smaller stool volume (while still having a large enough stool to clean as it is passed), but also your dog won't eat past being comfortable - I find my dog much prefers to eat smaller meals than larger ones.

It also has more fish oil, omega fatty acids, and flax seed for a healthy coat and healthy skin.


I have nothing against the RC chihuahua food - but I'm not completely sold on it. I like that they have adressed that different sized dogs and different breeds have their own unique and individual needs. But I don't think that it should be nessicary to feed a yorshire terrier the yorkie food, or a toy poodle the poodle food. The RC also makes the mini adult 27 food - which is their all breed adult formula. I don't have an ingredients list with me, but it's more similar to the chihuahua, but doesn't have corn so high up in the ingredients.

If I were you I would first of all - find a food and stick to it. Secondly - take a look at what you are feeding your pet and learn to distinguish between a good food and a not so good food.

You say you have used eagle pack - that too is a really good brand of food - the ingredients sounds more impressive than the royal canin, but I don't find it always feeds as well. A lot more dogs tend to have constipation poops, or just a general dislike for the food.

My dog loves his food (and he is a picky eater) he eats it super well every night, and he looks and feels great. He has an amazing skin and coat, his teeth look great ( I do use an enzymatic supplement, but the food can help or hinder!), and he has lots of energy.

If you have any more questions regarding Royal Canin or any other brands of dog foods - I would be glad to help you where I can. You can either PM me or just post back on this thread. hope this helps

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Wow, Meghan that was a good analysis! I agree. I too would go with the second one (Mini), but not because the first (Chihuahua) is grain heavy or because it contains corn. I'd choose the second over the first because the first has a soy product in it, or did I just miss it in the second?

Good luck yooper!
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Old 02-12-2007, 10:19 AM   #5
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Royal Canin - now THERE'S a company with a great marketing strategy. I don't think much of the food based on ingredients, but the key is finding a food that your dog does well on.
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Old 02-12-2007, 09:37 PM   #6
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Thank you LabLady

I just hope that the OP read that and it wasn't all for nothing! Lol

"lovemygreys" - it is part marketing, but it is also a smart idea. I think that they have done a great job recognizing that a high energy breed of small dog will need a different food than a low energy small breed dog - and not just lumping them into a 'small breed' catagory. They also have Medium and Maxi lines of food - which are for medium and large breeds.

They also recognize that every dog has different shaped mouths and teeth and therefore will benefit from a larger/harder or smaller/softer kibble etc... I think that they are about half way there. They have recognized the need for different options for our pet foods, but they're not nessicarily doing it out of the goodness of their hearts - they are definatly cashing in on it. But it's not a bad food.

The ingredients read as a good quality mid grade food. I would put it at par with nutro natural choice, and eukanuba. So not amazing in ingredients, but GOOD and definatly gives your dog what they need (if not a lot extra). But it FEEDS a LOT BETTER than you would expect.

Like I said before - dogs that are on this food tend to have great stools, great coats, great teeth, be at a good weight and be happy to eat their food. Its a PALATABLE food - which makes it that much better.

This is a quote from their site - which states pretty close to what I have - but in a more condensed way.
"Every pet is an individual! Our research has shown that certain breeds have very unique needs. The Yorkshire Terrier has a different coat than the Poodle; The Maine Coon is about 3 times the size of the Siamese; Bulldogs have a bracycephalic jaw that requires special attention. Our attention to these details has given way to our revolutionary breed-specific diets."
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Old 02-13-2007, 06:23 AM   #7
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I looked at quite a few of their ingredient lists and nutritional information and didn't see a ton of difference between the bags....other than the picture on the front to make the consumer believe that bag had been specially formulated for their breed.
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I looked at quite a few of their ingredient lists and nutritional information and didn't see a ton of difference between the bags....other than the picture on the front to make the consumer believe that bag had been specially formulated for their breed.
While I'm not ultimately familar with Royal Canin (like Meghan ), I did want to point out that while it all appears to be "plain jane", the Labrador Retriever formula is a 30% protein/13% fat formula according to the guaranteed analysis. And, while it doesn't seem all that "special", it is "different" from most "Large Breed" formulas I have seen.
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Old 02-14-2007, 02:48 AM   #9
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Royal canin is my favourite dog food. My dog even prefers it over some can foods, he has eaten many dry foods but none he likes better than RC it even made his body odour free! All the breeders in my area and show dogs use royal canin! They even recongnise problems in size breeds and fix them e.g (maxi juniour puppies have higher digestive problems) and they use phyllium (plant) in the food. phyllium: originated from India used for digestive disorders.
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:31 PM   #10
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Doberdude makes my favorite point!!

It is a very PALATABLE mid grade food. No, it doesn't have the same impressive ingredients of natural balance or solid gold, but it FEEDS just as well for most dogs ( Like I said before, it's got to have some kind of MAGIC in the bag! I wasn't a fan of the food until I started feeding it and looking at how much better my dog looks!). Plus dogs LOVE it.

I would much rather see a dog eating an appropriate formula of Royal Canin than a home cooked diet (not supplemented correctly!) or just tinned food because they are picky and the owner doesn't know what to do.

I don't recommend this food for all dogs, but I do recommend it for the pickier dogs that either don't eat well, or prefer the 'pedigree' and 'ol roy' simple foods. It's HUGE better than those foods, but has a 'simple' taste.

A common problem that I come across with clients is that their dogs do not really enjoy the Innova and Solid Gold and Natural Balance and Welness because their dog has eaten Pedigree or Iams or Nutro - and they PREFER the taste of the 'plainer' foods.

Like I said - it's not for everyone, but it is a food that feeds really well.

LabLady (I adore you and love reading your posts ) you're right on the money - they DO adjust their formulas according to the needs of the dog (energy levels, weight concerns etc)

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hi well .. do not change alot of food suddenley as the chi might get diarrheaoa. I prefer nutro rice... for the puppy .. I gave royal canin to my dogs ... well ... it's so expensive in malta now i don't know what it's for you it's LM5.99C Which goes at $9.89 dollars .. it's so expensive i think nutro it's waaaayyy good quality...
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Educate me please.. What is beef meal or chicken meal vs real beef and chicken?
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From what I understand, "chicken meal" is ground up chickens (beaks and feet and everything else), vs just the meat.
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The last post is incorrect. Meal as opposed to chicken has the water removed. It is not the ground up bird. "CHICKEN MEAL VS. CHICKEN? Chicken meal is a concentrated source of chicken protein because most of the water has been removed. Therefore, it only stands to reason that you get a greater “protein content” in 1 pound of chicken meal versus 1 pound of chicken."

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Thanks! Good to know.
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same here
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Chicken By-products is the "beaks & feet" as you put it, lol. In most cases though you are getting organs. Only very poor quality or "cheap$$" pet foods use "beaks & feet"

h2odog is right. "Meal" means weighing the chicken/lamb/beef/ etc., with the fat and water removed (dry), where as chiken/lamb/beef/ etc, is weighed Wet.
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The only thing I have against the Royal Canin is the corn. If it didnt' contain corn I'd use it. Brandi is currently on Innova. I can't get it when I'm at home in Michigan so I'll buy extra while I'm here in Florida and cart it home so she can have it all year long....

Someone mentioned that it wasn't good to change dog food all the time, actually if you have a rotation diet it's better on the dog's stomach. They don't have a chance to become stomach sensitive as they do when you feed just one food exclusively. But you have to know what foods and how to administer the rotation for optimum results.. It's just not for me.
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