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Old 08-04-2008, 10:45 AM   #1
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Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

With our new Decker Terrier pup I thought I would feed her a premium brand dog food. Previously I've only used brands like Eukanuba, Purina One etc. thinking those were good due to meat being the first ingrediant.
Well it just made sense that dogs being carnivores don't need all that wheat, soy and corn so I thought I would try a premium brand.
Anyway...I've noticed our Terrier's poop is REALLY bad smelling and wondered if this has something to do with the no carb/high protein EVO dog food we've got her on. I know I could try other brands but was wondering if this was typical of high meat brands. Her stool tends to be formed but soft as well.
Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

EVO is a rich food, maybe too rich for Decker's system. I feed Innova or Wellness Super 5 Mix, and my dogs have little odor to their stools. JMO
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

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EVO is a rich food, maybe too rich for Decker's system.
I have never bought the story that EVO is too rich for some dogs because it has more meat in it. There is no such thing as a diet with too much meat for a carnivore. Because it has more meat and less filler, you don't need to feed as much. Cut back a good bit on the amount you are feeding and I think things will straighten out. I would feed maybe half for a week to see what effect it has.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

I am feeding her according to the age and weight instructions on the bag, about 2 cups a day. Shelby is almost 6 months old and very high energy so you would think she could utilize the food but with no experience with the premium brands I didn't know what to think.
I thought maybe the high protein or fat might be the culprit.
Just trying to put my feelers out to see what others have experienced.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

Two cups is a lot for a 6 month old, I would cut back. The bags always tell you to feed more than they need. Also are you feeding two times a day?
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:28 PM   #6
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

Yes I give her 1 cup AM and 1 cup early PM.
If I was over feeding wouldn't she get fat?
Shes all muscle.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

Two cups is too much IMO. I also wouldn't feed a pup EVO because of the high calcium content, I would start them on regular Innova then graduate to Innova EVO at about 12 to 18 months.

I have a full grown husky who weighs in at 56 lbs and he doesn't even eat two cups of EVO a day. He eats about 1 and 3/4 cups of EVO daily, gets plenty of exercise, and is a very healthy and lean dog.

I don't have the 'smelly' stool issue but I will say that if I feed too much EVO (which was an issue when I first switched him from Natural Balance and was trying to determine the "right" amount to feed him) he does get soft or runny stool.

I would also suggest cutting back the amount you're feeding and keep an eye on him. Just make sure he's not losing weight or anything after the cut-backs.

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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

Thanks for the info.
I will get her some Innova tomorrow.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

How many lbs is your dog?

I agree with what others have said. The bags exagerate. My *large* dog will barely put down two cups a day.
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What breed and weight of your dog?
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

Willie is a 8 pounder and I feed him just 3/4 cup split into 2 feedings and he is very active. He is also on the Ennova EVO. I had been wanting to switch his food too, as I think it's more softer/slimier than it was when I had him on Solid Gold......I went out yesterday, but ended up coming home with Wellness Core......He loves it......But Willie eats anything.....LOL......I never smelled that strong of a smell like you.

I should add that a lot of the time, Willie doesn't eat the whole 3/4 .....I put it down and when he is done eating, I pick it up till the next feeding....

Good Luck!

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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

My 76 pound English Setter gets 1 cup Blue Wilderness twice a day. Same as my Border Collie. He is not hungry. He runs non stop for hours. He is still pudgy and not losing weight on the high protein low carb food. Maybe it will just take a while.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

My puppy bitch "Shelby" is 6 mos. old and a "Decker" Rat Terrier.
She weighs 26 lbs.
Most people may not be aware of this variety of Rat Terrier.
They were developed for hunting and are larger than the regular Rat Terriers.
Adults can run from 30 - 40 lbs.
They are very athletic, have a strong prey drive and a high energy dog.
Maybe thats why Shelby was able to polish off 2 cups of EVO a day.
Never-the-less I got some Innova puppy today and will switch her over.

I went into purchasing a premium dog food rather blind. I went into a pet store and asked for a grain free brand and a store employee recommeded the EVO and said it was for all stages.

Heres more info on Deckers. They are super dogs. Bright, love people and lots of fun but mine is very challenging to train. She is very stubborn but I guess thats typical for Terriers.
http://www.deckerterrier.com/gpage1.html

Hey Lucy, Willie is adorable!

By the way we have 2 Chihuahuas too.
9 and 11 yrs. old.
They're not very impressed with Shelby.

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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

Don't think I've seen this suggested so will add in my 2 cents ... Have you tried adding some plain yogurt to her feed? If there are any temporary digestive upsets, the probiotics should get her system back on track.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

UB thats a great idea!
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

Just an update on Shelby.
She's been on Innova Puppy formula for one week and I do believe her poo isn't as stinky. I know its not good to try 2 new things at once but I've also been giving her a about 4-5 Tbs. of plain Stoneyfield yogurt about 2 - 3 x a week.
Something else I've noticed...she isn't as hyper. Maybe the EVO was just too rich for her system afterall. Has anybody ever noticed a premium dog food making your dog hyper?
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

I used premium dog food when the pet food posion issue was happening, I did not notice them being any more hyper than they can be at normal times. I have had to go back to using Pedigree or Purina because it is cheaper.
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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

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Well it just made sense that dogs being carnivores don't need all that wheat, soy and corn so I thought I would try a premium brand.
Cottage Rose, dogs are within the scientific order Carnivora by dentition (dental pattern)... but dogs, like Grizzly Bears and Brown Bears are true omnivores.
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Cottage Rose, dogs are within the scientific order Carnivora by dentition (dental pattern)... but dogs, like Grizzly Bears and Brown Bears are true omnivores.
ONLY people in the pet food industry and the vet profession will call a dog an omnivore. Pet food industry MUST convince you that they are omnivores to get you to buy their grain based foods. Vet industry goes the omnivore route because almost all their nutrition training is given to them by the pet food industry.

Dogs are definately carnivores. There is no argument about that among people trained in biology, zoology, and animal husbantry.

There are physical charateristics that make an animal a carnivore or omnivore.

1. Carnivores have large mouths as they eat other animals. Omnivores/herbivores have smaller mouths. Dogs have large mouths.

2. Omnivores have flat teeth in the back of their mouths. This is used to crush and mash plant material. All plant material has each cell coated with cellulose. You must mash and crush this shell to extract nutrients from the plant. Humans have these flat teeth. Carnivores don't have flat teeth. Dogs don't have flat teeth. They can't get through the cellulose to get to the nutrients. Carnivore teeth are designed to kill prey(front teeth) and to rip and tear meat and crush bones(back teeth). Dogs have carnivore teeth.

3. When omnivores/herbivores chew, they move their lower jaw not only up and down but also sideways in order to crush the cellulose. Carnivores don't have the ability to move their lower jaw from side to side. Only up and down. Dogs can only move their lower jaw up and down.

4. Omnivores/herbivores hae an enzyme called amylaze in their salava and stomach juices. Amylaze is used to digest plant material and digestion begins in the mouth for these animals. Carnivores don't have amylaze in their salava or stomach. They don't make the enzymes necessary for digesting plant material. Dogs don't have amylaze in their salava.

5. I don't know how to explain it with words but there is a difference in the way the lower jaw is hinged in omnivores/herbivores and carnivores.

6. Carnivores have very acidic stomach juices to kill bacteria on meats and to digest bones. Omnivores/herbivores have much less acidic stomach juices. Dogs stomach juices are more than 50% hydrochloric acid.

7. Omnivores/herbivores have relatively long intestinal tracts. Carbs must ferment in the gut for a long time during digestion. Carnivores being meat eaters have a very short intestinal tract in order to get the meat through the body quickly before it rots. With thier short intestinal tract they are not able to have carbs in the intestines long enough to digest. Dogs have short intestines.

So there you have your biology lesson in a nutshell. There is no arguing the fact that dogs are carnivores. They have all the physical characteristics of a carnivore and none of the omnivores characteristics.

Dogs eat such a very small amount of plant material in the wild as to have no effect on diet. Most of the plant material they eat are sweet berries and fruits when in season. Eating those is the same as us eating cake and ice cream. It tastes great but no nutrition is derived from eating them.

EDITED TO ADD: You can't force a dog to be an omnivore by forcing him to eat plant material. It doesn't matter how much plant material he is forced to eat, he is still a carnivore and always will be until those physical conditions listed above change.

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Re: Rank smelling stool from premium dog food??

What is or isn't a carnivore is obviously a debatable topic which could go on endlessly but even carnivores like the African big cats eat the stomach contents of their cud chewing-grazing prey first.
Whatever dogs are they don't need a feed that is predominantly corn, wheat or soy. That is not to say they should have or don't need any grains or veggies.
All dogs eat grass and my Chihuahua's LOVE raw carrots.

Unfortunately trends in feed are not always a good thing.
In the poultry feed industry you can barely find any meat or fish meal in the feeds anymore. All have been converted to soy based feeds after the mad cow disease scare.
(IMO a hoax/scare like the bird flu propaganda)
Soy has a precursor to estrogen so it can mess with your hormones...even in humans.
Soy should not be consumed more than 3 x a week.
See Weston Price's website for more info/myths on soy, fat, meat, milk etc.
http://www.westonaprice.org/
Soy is over promoted and over used in my opinion and corn is pretty much empty calories and simply isn't something any person or creature should eat a lot of.
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