[rosemaryninja]

I don't feed grains, fruits or vegetables at all.

It does seem complicated at first, but it's actually not. Might be a little stressful at first, because you keep thinking that you need to get the nutritional values balanced in every meal...but you don't. As long as you keep things balanced out in the big picture, there's no need to get tiny little details perfectly accurate every day. For example, sometimes I don't have enough raw bone in the house, so I'll just feed more meat than bone. Then, another day, I'll feed a little more bone than meat. Same with the different types of meat. Some days it can be pork, another beef, another you can just toss them a fish. Just depends on what you have at home.

[Spicy1_VV]

I also forgot to say that not all dogs do very well on raw. This is to be expected, it is close to what they should eat and what dogs eat in the wild, it doesn't mean every dog is fit for it. Dogs are domesticated animals created and selectively bred by man. Some have issues, it might not be natural or right that they have these problems but the fact is that they do. They can have all sorts of problems and at times certain breeds have sensitivity to specific things like medications for example that other breeds tolerate without problem and no serious side effects. While raw should be ideal with some dogs very few foods work period, whether kibble or raw their system is jeopardized and they have very few things they can handle without some type of side effect.

[RawFedDogs]

Originally Posted by Spicy1_VV

I also forgot to say that not all dogs do very well on raw. This is to be expected, it is close to what they should eat and what dogs eat in the wild, it doesn't mean every dog is fit for it.

I just don't know how you can say that with a straight face. All dogs have the same dentation. They all have the same digestive juices. They all have the same short intestinal system. Their whole digestive system is identical to what dogs were millions of years. All that selective breeding has not changed their digestive system in the least.

While raw should be ideal with some dogs very few foods work period, whether kibble or raw their system is jeopardized and they have very few things they can handle without some type of side effect.

I have been active in the raw feeding world for 6 years. I have never known a breed that couldn't eat a prey model raw diet. Even the squshed nose breeds chew bones like champs. The fragile breeds do wonderful. The very small breeds eat like little wolves. The giant breeds eat raw like you would expect them to.

I have known dogs with IBS and IBD and pancreatitis and kidney problems do great when switched to a prey model raw diet. I have seen cancer dogs switched and live 10 times longer than the vet gave them.

To say any dog can't eat a prey model raw diet is just silly.

[Striker2807]

Originally Posted by RawFedDogs

Hey Striker,
Its only complicated when you are on the outside looking in. Once you are feeding, you will be amazed at how simple it is. Go get some chicken quarters and start feeding them. Feed nothing but chicken quarters for 2 weeks. Thats simple, huh?

You have two weeks to decide what to feed next. You don't have to buy it until the day before you feed it. Then you will have another week or so to decidw what will be next, etc. There is plenty of time to make decisions as you go along. There is no need to rush anything as you will be feeding this for a long time. If it takes you 4 months to get a good variety going, NBD.

If you look at all the choices at once, heck yes, it's complicated. After you have been feeding raw for a while, you just reach in the freezer and what ever your hand lands on is what you will feed next meal. 3 nights ago, my dogs had chicken quarters. 2 nights ago it was turkey necks. Last n ight it was beef hear. Tonight it will be pork roast. Tomorrow I think it will feed the fish, beef heart, liver, egg mush I feed every so often. After that, who knows? It depends on what I pull out of the freezer. Sometimes I look in the freezer, see something and say, "well, I haven't fed that in a while, I think I'll feed it next." Or they might get quarters 3 or 4 nights in a row. There is just no set schedule or plan, just like in the wild. In the wild they eat whatever they run across next.

That makes perfects sense to me. I just mentioned to my family who I live with about how I may switch to raw and they are old fashion when it comes to dogs so of course they called my crazy said I spoil my dog, which I replied no I just want what's best for her and I don't think that answer can be found in kibble nothing against anyone who feeds it that's just my opinion.

I also have to ask about something they said which I know isn't true, but I just want the people that feed raw to confirm it. They said that feeding raw will make her think that when they our cooking dinner (i.e chicken) that when she sees the raw chicken she is going to think it's hers and she is going to try and take it. I know this is a load of garbage, but for all you raw feeders what do you have to say about this?

Originally Posted by Spicy1_VV

Yes I too use the whole prey model diet. Dogs can't digest veggies therefore they get no nutritional value from them. Grains cause their body to overwork to break down and process them, some grains they also can't digest at all.

Ditto on all that their bodies have never been exposed to grains or veggies and if they have it hasn't been enough to develop the ability to digest them.

Also I do have a question about raw being to rich for a dog and high in protein. The argument I have read about this is they don't get the exercise like a wolf would hunting and tracking prey. Is this true? From what everyone that feeds a prey model diet says this isn't true because their dogs are healthy as can be.

[Spicy1_VV]

Originally Posted by RawFedDogs

I just don't know how you can say that with a straight face. All dogs have the same dentation. They all have the same digestive juices. They all have the same short intestinal system. Their whole digestive system is identical to what dogs were millions of years. All that selective breeding has not changed their digestive system in the least.



I have been active in the raw feeding world for 6 years. I have never known a breed that couldn't eat a prey model raw diet. Even the squshed nose breeds chew bones like champs. The fragile breeds do wonderful. The very small breeds eat like little wolves. The giant breeds eat raw like you would expect them to.

I have known dogs with IBS and IBD and pancreatitis and kidney problems do great when switched to a prey model raw diet. I have seen cancer dogs switched and live 10 times longer than the vet gave them.

To say any dog can't eat a prey model raw diet is just silly.

Not all have the same systems, that is the like saying all humans have the same systems. Or any other animals. There are other species of animals that are put on special odd diets because their body does not tolerate their natural diet that they should be eating in the wild. Their body rejects it, causes side effects or they have allergies. This is not normal nor it is right but it is present in some animals. If they were all the same then some wouldn't have problems with certain foods that others don't. That wouldn't make sense at all. Some have jeopardized digestive systems, issues with certain foods. Because of poor breeding you can end up with a lot of problems, including those problems, some clearly do much better on raw then they ever would on kibble and it is much easier on their system but they still have an issue to.

Yes raw cures many things, who argued that it did not. If I did not believe prey model diet was the best I wouldn't be feeding it to my dogs and recommending it to others.

I'm not sure how up and up you are on medical things or breeding well or any of that but there are defects in a wide array of animals including dogs that lead their bodies to reject the natural or to have an issue. Not all dogs are equal and identical. There are differences in dogs various systems, health and body far beyond digestive system, many other problems out there. Maybe you have not come across them in your experience but they exist.

If you want to believe that all dogs have the exact same digestive system which is not true that is your choice. Please don't call me silly for your belief.

Originally Posted by Striker2807

Ditto on all that their bodies have never been exposed to grains or veggies and if they have it hasn't been enough to develop the ability to digest them.

Also I do have a question about raw being to rich for a dog and high in protein. The argument I have read about this is they don't get the exercise like a wolf would hunting and tracking prey. Is this true? From what everyone that feeds a prey model diet says this isn't true because their dogs are healthy as can be.

Not true in my experience. My dogs are high energy with high metabolism though. If they were to be fed kibble they would have need a kibble high in protein and fat to sustain them. I don't feel that it is too high in protein for other dogs either because we do not see the side effects or illness (at least I never have) of dogs that are given too much protein.

[RawFedDogs]

Originally Posted by Striker2807

I just want what's best for her and I don't think that answer can be found in kibble nothing against anyone who feeds it that's just my opinion.

It's not opinion, its fact.

They said that feeding raw will make her think that when they our cooking dinner (i.e chicken) that when she sees the raw chicken she is going to think it's hers and she is going to try and take it.

I would never leave meat out where any dog can get to it. Most will try to get it. It has notihng to do with their diet. Meat is just very appetising to a dog. I have giant dogs. They can eat off my plate at the dinner table and keep all 4 feet on the floor. They can eat food off the kitchen counter with all feet on the floor. Neither is a problem at my house. Leaving food alone is a leaned behavior.

Also I do have a question about raw being to rich for a dog and high in protein.

Contrary to popular opinion a prey model raw diet is actually a low protein diet. Most of the diet is water. Meat is around 70% water. A prey model diet is around 20% protein.

From what everyone that feeds a prey model diet says this isn't true because their dogs are healthy as can be.

I don't know how my dogs could be happier. Abby, 6 years on raw. Thor who is 3yo has been on raw all his life. Both cats around 4 years on raw.

Originally Posted by Spicy1_VV

Not all have the same systems, that is the like saying all humans have the same systems. Or any other animals. There are other species of animals that are put on special odd diets because their body does not tolerate their natural diet that they should be eating in the wild. Their body rejects it, causes side effects or they have allergies. This is not normal nor it is right but it is present in some animals. If they were all the same then some wouldn't have problems with certain foods that others don't. That wouldn't make sense at all. Some have jeopardized digestive systems, issues with certain foods. Because of poor breeding you can end up with a lot of problems, including those problems, some clearly do much better on raw then they ever would on kibble and it is much easier on their system but they still have an issue to.

I think we both agree on most of what you say. I am just saying that no matter how a dog is "different" he can still thrive more on raw than any kibble made. There is no time for any dog that a highly processed grain based cereal is more healthy than a prey model diet supplied by nature. If I dog is different he may need a diet with more or less fat or more or less bone or a diet higher in one or another vitamin but all these can be taken care of by adjusting the diet, not changing to doom nuggets.

I'm not sure how up and up you are on medical things or breeding well or any of that but there are defects in a wide array of animals including dogs that lead their bodies to reject the natural or to have an issue. Not all dogs are equal and identical. There are differences in dogs various systems, health and body far beyond digestive system, many other problems out there. Maybe you have not come across them in your experience but they exist.

My statement above covers this too. All dogs have the same nutritional needs just some may need a little more or less of one thing or another. I don't understand what nutrient you think a dog can get from kibble that he can't get from prey model. I don't know what nutrient you think a dog can get from a cooked diet that he can't get from prey model.

If you want to believe that all dogs have the exact same digestive system which is not true that is your choice. Please don't call me silly for your belief.

Did I do that?

[Striker2807]

Well I have learned much in this thread and I will more then likely be switching as soon as I can, a few weeks at the latest, but I just want to ask a few more things.

On this prey model diet you dog eats just meat and bones. When you say bones is there special ones you can buy or do you just give the ones that are in the meat? Also I know some of you recommend feeding fish once a week for the Omega 3 Fatty Acids and I was just wondering if the prepackaged fish, that is whole and wrapped like meat, would be good to use to provide the Omega 3 Fatty Acids. I reason I ask is because I think that be great, but if it is Salmon is it safe to use because I thought salmon was poisonous to dogs.

I also want to say thanks to everyone that has answered my questions, even the ones I have repeated, I feel like I have finally find the best diet for my dog after months of searching and just not finding anything that tickled me in the right way.

[Spicy1_VV]

Originally Posted by RawFedDogs

I think we both agree on most of what you say. I am just saying that no matter how a dog is "different" he can still thrive more on raw than any kibble made. There is no time for any dog that a highly processed grain based cereal is more healthy than a prey model diet supplied by nature. If I dog is different he may need a diet with more or less fat or more or less bone or a diet higher in one or another vitamin but all these can be taken care of by adjusting the diet, not changing to doom nuggets.

My statement above covers this too. All dogs have the same nutritional needs just some may need a little more or less of one thing or another. I don't understand what nutrient you think a dog can get from kibble that he can't get from prey model. I don't know what nutrient you think a dog can get from a cooked diet that he can't get from prey model.

Did I do that?

I don't think a dog can get anything more from heat processed foods. I think we kind of agree but are trying to get at two different things maybe?

Well yes some is a matter of needing more of this vs that. Which just requires simple adjustment. Others have digestive problems so screwy that it isn't just a matter of needing less bone or something like that, it is just how ill off their system is. There might be a few adjustments you could make or things to help
but at the end of the day they might not do perfect on raw even though they do better. Some dogs have problems absorbing nutrients even from easy to digest raw feeds that offers higher, better nutrient content then heat processed foods. Others have problems with digestion overall, the raw is certainly better then the kibble no arguing there and easier for them to digest but some dogs will never be righted. Some have allergies to most protein sources which leaves them with only 1 maybe 2 choices. Although those choices are obviously available to them it and that could be seen as a simply issue they do miss out on the varied meals and of course not all meat sources have the same to offer.

Well I feel we are on the same page. I was never saying kibble is better for a dog then raw. Hmmm now that would be silly of me.

[RawFedDogs]

Originally Posted by Spicy1_VV

Well I feel we are on the same page. I was never saying kibble is better for a dog then raw. Hmmm now that would be silly of me.

NOOOoooooo!!!

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by Striker2807

Well I have learned much in this thread and I will more then likely be switching as soon as I can, a few weeks at the latest, but I just want to ask a few more things.

On this prey model diet you dog eats just meat and bones. When you say bones is there special ones you can buy or do you just give the ones that are in the meat? Also I know some of you recommend feeding fish once a week for the Omega 3 Fatty Acids and I was just wondering if the prepackaged fish, that is whole and wrapped like meat, would be good to use to provide the Omega 3 Fatty Acids. I reason I ask is because I think that be great, but if it is Salmon is it safe to use because I thought salmon was poisonous to dogs.

I also want to say thanks to everyone that has answered my questions, even the ones I have repeated, I feel like I have finally find the best diet for my dog after months of searching and just not finding anything that tickled me in the right way.

the bones that are in the meat are what you give. just remember to ONLY thaw in the fridge and NEVER in the microwave.

i've never had a problem giving salmon once in a while. though I mostly give local fish we fish for ourselves.


change "prey model" to "food modeled on prey" and you get the idea, that being the food should be given in as natural a state as possible.

note: my dog had to be taught to eat rmbs. she wasn't quite sure what to do at first, so I would do things like peel off a tendril of meat for her to get a grip on and during the first few days I had to hold it for her. she crunches away like a champ these days. if you run into this issue be patient with your pup. they figure it out after a bit.

the other issue you might run into is some dogs get used to inhaling their kibble so when they switch to raw they go too fast. supervise closely at first.


good luck.

[RawFedDogs]

Originally Posted by Striker2807

On this prey model diet you dog eats just meat and bones.

Meat, bones, AND organs. Organs are a required part of the diet though not necessary to feed every day. Every week or every other week or once a month but the need to be fed.

When you say bones is there special ones you can buy or do you just give the ones that are in the meat?

The ones that are in the meat. You will never see me suggest feeding bare bones.

Also I know some of you recommend feeding fish once a week for the Omega 3 Fatty Acids and I was just wondering if the prepackaged fish, that is whole and wrapped like meat, would be good to use to provide the Omega 3 Fatty Acids. I reason I ask is because I think that be great, but if it is Salmon is it safe to use because I thought salmon was poisonous to dogs.

Most any kind of fish will do but Salmon, Mackerel, and Sardines are some of the better ones. I feed canned fish. I know it's cooked but it's easier on me so thats what I do. If you feed a good bit of grass fed beef or a good bit of wild game such as rabbits or deer you will get plenty of O3's.

The only Salmon you need to be concerned about are wild caught salmon from the Pacific Northwest. SOME of them carry a parasite that is harmful and even lethel to dogs. If you freeze this salmon for a few weeks it will kill the parasites. Farmed salmon or salmon from other parts of the world are ok.

[Striker2807]

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

note: my dog had to be taught to eat rmbs. she wasn't quite sure what to do at first, so I would do things like peel off a tendril of meat for her to get a grip on and during the first few days I had to hold it for her. she crunches away like a champ these days. if you run into this issue be patient with your pup. they figure it out after a bit.

the other issue you might run into is some dogs get used to inhaling their kibble so when they switch to raw they go too fast. supervise closely at first.


good luck.

I just don't see this being a problem, but hey you never know so I will keep that in mind!

Oh I am excited and I know my puppy will love it! Even if it takes her time to get used to it!

[JayBarnes]

Another great informative thread about RAW. I just started my 10 month old Siberian Husky on raw. I've got a couple of questions though.
First off, lets see if I'm on the right track. He's been on this diet for around 4 days. He's about 65 lbs, so I give him a chicken quarter in the morning and a chicken quarter in the evening. He seems to love it and munches up the bones with ease. So far he's had nothing but chicken quarters. Does this sound right so far?
Next, isn't it a possibilitly that some of the raw meat you run across would contain some parasites? For example, isn't trichinella found in pork muscle occasionally? Is there any meat that could potentially contain harmful parasites that should be avoided?
How long should I feed the chicken quarters until I change it up a little. I'm thinking I've read two weeks? Then after two weeks, throw in a turkey neck for a meal for example? Also, do I need to wait about two weeks before giving any organ meat?
Thanks in advance.

[Alpha Dog]

Ok guys, the following information I have provided for you all will hopefully give you all a brief insight into the world of the BARF/RMB diets......or simply RAW feeding.......all the information is supplied with dogs in mind, but this diet is also suitable for cats.........ok.......here goes......

What is BARF/RMB's?
BARF stands for: Biologically Appropriate Raw Food, or as most people know it, Bones and Raw Food..............
RMB's stands for: Raw Meaty Bones......
These diets are not new, or any type of new feeding trend, in fact they have been aroung for hundreds/thousands of years if you think about evoloution, and they are basically about feeding cats and dogs the necessary diet to help them thrive through life and assist in reaching their genetic potential in terms of health, longevity, physical exercise and reproduction, so when the diet strays away from this evoloutionary way of feeding then the more health problems an individual animal is likely to develop. It is also worth a mention here that the genetic make-up of an animal also plays it's role here too.
In basic terms, convential grain based pet foods, which as we are all aware is a MASSIVE industry in itself, cause MANY health problems, no matter what research is put into them. They simply cannot stand upto RAW diets in terms of health enhancing attributes.

Ingredients for BARF/RMB's
Basically, it is what is readily available that you can get hold of around your location, but as the diet names suggest this diet consists of various parts to get the WHOLE benefits and this should be done over time and not all crammed into 1 or 2 meals.
All the following ingredients are suitable to be fed as part of this diet, unless of course you know your pet has an intolerance towards it, these include - Chicken wings, legs, carcasses, whole chickens, lamb ribs, lamb shanks, beef, pork, venison, fish, duck, pork, turkey, rabbit, veggies(blended or pureed), fruit (but there is on-going debate as to whether the fruit and veg side is necessary/helpful......but that's for another person to get stuck into), eggs, offal etc etc, there really is an abundance of items out there for everyone to be able to get hold of.

Feeding the above items, such as the meat products, it is best to do so as a whole and not to strip it down, for example, meat and bone should be eaten as a whole and together, yes give your dog a bone on it's own once or twice a week or so, but the main part of the diet should be eaten whole, this enables your dog to basically clean as it goes, such as when they eat rabbit, the bones help clean the teeth and gums, whereas the fur, tendons, ligaments etc will floss and basically polish the dogs internal system.......sorry could'nt really think of another way to put it.

Also thought I'd quickly metion Fasting. This is beneficial to your dogs as tend to regulate their own food intake, for example, even if there is a HUGE pile of food for your dog they will not necessarily eat it all, once they are full thry will come away from it. By fasting it allows the dogs digestive system to rest and recouperate and studies from wild dogs/wolves show that there are health benefits from doing do.

Benefits from RAW feeding

Increased energy levels (especially good to see in the older/infirm dogs)
Increased lean body mass (your dog will lose unwanted fat and gain increased muscle mass)
MANY dental problems will disappear (including a nicer breath and tarter removal)
Many skin problems disappear (just see how much healthier and younger your pals look and all your friends will be saying 'Ooohhh isn't your dogs coat nice and shiney......time to chuck away the medicated bath rinses)
Healthy ears (BARF and RMB's strengthens the immune system which contains essentail fatty acids aswell as a host of other ingredients which in turn reduces inflammatory conditions)
Anal Sac problems disappear (this diet will firm up the horrible sloppy smelly stools and you'd be surprised that when toilet time comes there usually is a reduction in the amount that is excreted, gone are the days of taking your dog to the vets to have their anal glands emptied.......YUK)

There are MANY other benefits but the above gives you a good starter too see some of the benefits when feeding this way.

Fears of the RAW diets

Personally, MANY people do not feed this way I beleive from 2 simple assumptions - 1.Fear 2.Ignorance(not meant in any bad way to anyone)

When you speak to people, especially when they ask what you feed you dog, the usual reply is......Oh no your not supposed to feed your dogs bones........or..........are'nt they always sick because things like raw chicken carry bacteria like Salmonella and Compalabacter..........so basically......cats and dogs are hunters and have fed this way for thousands of years.......their systems are designed to take such food and their whole being and make-up produces the necessary things needed to be able to cope with bacteria and digest this type of food to get the whole benefit from it.........how often do you see your cats catching and eating birds etc.......do they suddenly become ill...........or how often does your dog run into the garden to find a half eaten bird left over to quickly gobble the whole lot down........do they then suddenly become ill.........

Another fear people have are bones.......if ANYONE does not want to feed whole bones, there is no reason not to smash or grind them up.....this is particulary good for those GREEDY dogs who do not know what the word 'chew' means.........for all of our 6 labradors we dont grind anything up and feed things as they come

Old wives tales such as.....'my dog will become blood thirsty' or 'my dog will become aggressive' are COMPLETELY untrue.........aggression will only come from a dog that has food aggression from the outset.......anyone should be able to go up to their dogs and take ANY piece of food from them at any time without ANY problem, this is why it is so important as puppies, whatever the food maybe that they are taught you are the TOP-DOG of the household and they should respect this

Just to finish off, common sense must prevail to us humans when handlimg RAW meats and food etc, as we are not designed like dogs so we MUST wash anything we use well including ourselves in order to maintain a healthy immune system.....if you don't then yes, you may well become sick

Thanks for reading this guys, this is a very brief and basic guide to RAW feeding, which I have only scratched the surface as there is SO MUCH more to this including things like supplementation of vitamins and a whole host of other things........this in itself again is a debatable topic of discussion, which I won't enter now.

Alpha Dog

[RawFedDogs]

Originally Posted by JayBarnes

He's about 65 lbs, so I give him a chicken quarter in the morning and a chicken quarter in the evening. He seems to love it and munches up the bones with ease.

Cool. You are doing great so far.

So far he's had nothing but chicken quarters. Does this sound right so far?

Yep

Next, isn't it a possibilitly that some of the raw meat you run across would contain some parasites?

It's possible but not probable. Most parasites are little more than an nutance anyway. The most likely place to run across parasites is if you feed your dog wild animals. Freezing wild animal meat for a few weeks will kill any parasites.

For example, isn't trichinella found in pork muscle occasionally?

Not if you live in the US, Canada, Austraila, or most of western europe. Trich was killed off years ago. Again If you feel it's a problem and worry about it, freeze the meat for a few weeks before feeding.

Is there any meat that could potentially contain harmful parasites that should be avoided?

Wild caught salmon in the pacific northwest have some pretty dangerous stuff. Again freezing kills it. Farmed salmon or salmon from other parts of the world are ok.

How long should I feed the chicken quarters until I change it up a little. I'm thinking I've read two weeks? Then after two weeks, throw in a turkey neck for a meal for example?

All that is right on.

Also, do I need to wait about two weeks before giving any organ meat?

I'd wait a couple of months just to be safe and then start slowly with very small amounts.

[JayBarnes]

Good deal. Thanks for the help.

[Striker2807]

Well I was at WalMart today to see what they had and they had Chicken Quarters, well they were Chicken Leg Quarters, but am assuming they are the same thing.

So I will start my puppy on those for two weeks and during that time I will see if I can't find some Turkey or something to throw in there after that two weeks. Can't wait I am going to start her on a raw diet starting the 19th or somewhere close to there.

Also does a raw Diet tend to be cheaper because looking at some stuff today it seemed like it will be.

[Kyllobernese]

I somehow have a really hard time thinking about feeding my dog chicken bones. Even though I know they are raw, not cooked which would be dangerous, aren't they also very sharp when they are crunched up? I know thirty years ago, when we had greyhounds, I was given a bunch of turkeys that had died of heart attacks when they were catching and shipping them. The greyhounds ate them up, no problem so guess I am just being overly cautious. Has anyone had a problem with chicken and turkey necks even with small dogs?

[RawFedDogs]

Originally Posted by Striker2807

Well I was at WalMart today to see what they had and they had Chicken Quarters, well they were Chicken Leg Quarters, but am assuming they are the same thing.

Yes, that is what I am talking about.

So I will start my puppy on those for two weeks and during that time I will see if I can't find some Turkey or something to throw in there after that two weeks.

Go to a grocery store or meat market where they cut their own meat. Ask them if you can get some turkey necks that haven't been cut yet. The turkey necks you find in grocery stores have been cut in 1/2 or 1/3s and packaged that way. You want to get necks that haven't been cut yet. Uncut necks are about a foot or so long and weigh about a pound. If you can't get those, see if you can get some turkey wings.

Also does a raw Diet tend to be cheaper because looking at some stuff today it seemed like it will be.

It will probably be a little more expensive at first but as you learn to show for good meat deals, it will get a lot cheaper.

Originally Posted by Kyllobernese

I somehow have a really hard time thinking about feeding my dog chicken bones. Even though I know they are raw, not cooked which would be dangerous, aren't they also very sharp when they are crunched up?

We all were nervous when we first started. Sometimes some of the bones look pretty sharp but they are not as sharp as they appear and dog's insides are pretty tough.

Has anyone had a problem with chicken and turkey necks even with small dogs?

You don't want to feed chicken necks to any but the smallest of dogs. For the medium size dogs, they will swallow them whole and they can't be a choking hazzard. For the larger dogs, they will swallow them whole but the chicken necks aren't large enough to be any problem but they don't get the dental benefits from chewing them. When you get turkey necks, get whole ones that haven't been cut. A whole neck is about a food long and weighs about a pound.

[BoxMeIn21]

Originally Posted by RawFedDogs

Why in the world would you have to sometimes feed your dog inferior foods? Why would kibble even be in your house?

LMAO! It's not in the home - usually it's when my dogs are being watched by friends who just can't stomach feeding raw. I know, I probably need new friends, don't I?