[sillylilykitty]

Im not sure if any of you on this forum are aware of what Iams and Eukanuba have been doing to animals for a very long time. Either way I would like to get the word out to as many people as possible.

Iams/Eukanuba does its own animal testing. At the very least animal testers should treat the animals good (provide bedding, etc.), but not Iams, they would rather treat the animals horribly. Here is an exert of one of the articles:

"The IAMS Company have funded and participated in laboratory experiments on hundreds of animals that caused kidney failure, obesity, malnutrition, liver damage, severe allergic reactions, stomach inflammation, diarrhoea, severe skin disorders, lesions, skin wounds and other painful illnesses, and animals have been kept in barren dungeon-like conditions.

Dogs have been force-fed vegetable oil, had chunks of muscle removed from their thighs, and been 'de-barked' by having their voice-boxes cut out in a painful and bloody procedure"

For the full article and more visit these websites:
http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm

http://www.iamscruelty.com/iams.asp

[Love's_Sophie]

Oh my...I can't say much else...yikes...

[mollymypooch]

What Our Investigator Found: Iams’ Den of Horrors
Iams dogs dumped on cold concrete flooring after having huge chunks of muscle cut out of their thighs

dogs and cats gone stir-crazy from confinement; dogs and cats in windowless, dungeon-like buildings

a coworker who instructed her to hit the dogs on the chest if they quit breathing; another coworker who talked about an Iams dog found dead in his cage, bleeding from his mouth

a dog who limped in pain from Lyme disease

cruel studies done by Iams involving sticking tubes down dogs’ throats to force them to ingest vegetable oil

Iams dogs with such severe tartar buildup on their teeth that it was painful for them to eat

vet technicians with inadequate training and experience performing invasive procedures

coworkers who talked about a live kitten who was washed down a drain

coworkers who talked about how they had to go home because the ammonia fumes in the animal trailers were so overpowering that it made their eyes burn (try being one of the animals in those cages!)

cats kept in a cinderblock room with crude wooden “resting” boards that had nails sticking out of them; one of the boards fell on a cat, crushing her to death, while our investigator was there yet the lab director did not remove the boards when the cat was crushed—he removed them when he was told that the lab was going to be inspected because he knew they were illegal

That is soooo sad It makes me mad how can people even want to work at a place like that! yet alone support it, by buying the food!!! Thanks for posting this I had no idea about it!

[Dakota Spirit]

I can't really comment on the issue as I haven't looked into enough - however I did want to comment on one of your sources.

Namely the site that branches directly from PETA (http://www.iamscruelty.com/iams.asp). While some of it might be of worth I am always extra cautious with PETA, taking all of their sightings and sources with a grain of salt. They are well known for bending the truth to benefit their endeavors.

[DogDaze]

Euwww.... That is horrible...

Haven't fed Iams or Eukanuka in quite a while... probably years... we do Wellness & Evo.

[sillylilykitty]

Originally Posted by Dakota Spirit

I can't really comment on the issue as I haven't looked into enough - however I did want to comment on one of your sources.

Namely the site that branches directly from PETA (http://www.iamscruelty.com/iams.asp). While some of it might be of worth I am always extra cautious with PETA, taking all of their sightings and sources with a grain of salt. They are well known for bending the truth to benefit their endeavors.

I know what you mean, I dont like PETA either but that is one topic I agree with them on. PETA is crazy but they have done good. And just like what was mentioned in one of the articles, if it wasnt true Im sure Iams would have sued them by now since these are some serious accusations. PETA did an undercover investigation and provided videos on their site.

[Dakota Spirit]

Yeah, I mean I haven't really looked into it so my opinion wouldn't be based on any detailed knowledge. Just by PETA's reputation as a whole.

It’s definitely a matter I'll be researching - despite being well out of the Iams food category.

Thanks for the heads up, either way

[jeffrey_sy]

is this true? I was not aware of their activities.

[lovemygreys]

Another side: www.iamstruth.com/

[sillylilykitty]

Originally Posted by lovemygreys

Another side: www.iamstruth.com/

Hmmm, Im not sure what to believe now. If it isnt true why dont they sue the people?? And make them take down the websites

[lovemygreys]

Originally Posted by sillylilykitty

Hmmm, Im not sure what to believe now. If it isnt true why dont they sue the people?? And make them take down the websites

Well...there were some nefarious things happening at the independent labs the corporation was using. Once it was uncovered, they made changes and implemented safeguards with outside, independent resources providing checks and balances. So...is the other website necessarily being libelous? Not if what they say was true at some point in time...and the do reference the specific years (ref the iams cruelty.com site).

Iams *should* be and *was* called out on their neglect in overseeing the animals in their programs and the facilities they were using. Had they not made efforts to rectify the situation, then I'd be on the anti-Iams bandwaggon myself.

PETA can never move past anything. They can't accept that sometimes sh*t happens and when it does, it can be fixed to prevent it moving forward. All the while PETA is killing animals themselves...so aren't they quite the hypocrites At least Iams has the cojones to own up and change.

Whether or not what happened is forgivable, is up to the individual consumers. But, people should at least be aware of what Iams did in reaction to what happened.

[RonE]

There are other legitimate reasons not to feed those two foods, but I wouldn't base my decision based on anything PETA has to say.

[ChillisMom]

Originally Posted by lovemygreys

Well...there were some nefarious things happening at the independent labs the corporation was using. Once it was uncovered, they made changes and implemented safeguards with outside, independent resources providing checks and balances. So...is the other website necessarily being libelous? Not if what they say was true at some point in time...and the do reference the specific years (ref the iams cruelty.com site).

Iams *should* be and *was* called out on their neglect in overseeing the animals in their programs and the facilities they were using. Had they not made efforts to rectify the situation, then I'd be on the anti-Iams bandwaggon myself.

PETA can never move past anything. They can't accept that sometimes sh*t happens and when it does, it can be fixed to prevent it moving forward. All the while PETA is killing animals themselves...so aren't they quite the hypocrites At least Iams has the cojones to own up and change.

Whether or not what happened is forgivable, is up to the individual consumers. But, people should at least be aware of what Iams did in reaction to what happened.

I agree.
Also I met a dog this summer though, and his coat was so beautiful so I asked the guy what he fed the dog and he said Eukanuba, I was surprised but then again different dogs do well on different foods. But you should have seen this dogs coat!

[Wimble Woof]

I agree with RonE here,
PETA just annoys me in so many ways I avoid reading anything that they have to say.
People definately need to be aware of what the pet food companies are doing, but to be a PETA follower.... well, thats just nuts.
PETA doesnt even think we should have animals as pets as we are being cruel to them by making them slaves or something like that.

People shouldnt be feeding Iams and Eukanuba for the simple reason they are over priced for nothing, their foods are not very good overall.
For the price of Eukanuba you could be feeding Orijen or Innova with some change to spare.

[Lorina]

as we are being cruel to them by making them slaves

I'll never understand that. I'm the one who feeds them, grooms them, cleans up after them, plays with them, takes care of any medical needs, exercises them even if it's snowing, raining, or 20 below zero. Who's the slave here?

[Wimble Woof]

exactly!
Honestly I think most pets (especially the ones who's owners are on forums like these) are treated like royalty.
I know my guys would rather stay here than live their lives as wild dogs... Sheesh, where would kita find herself a twinsized bed with a duvet and feather pillow in the wild??? She would have a fit!
Friggen PETA! *rollseyes*

[lurcherloopy]

Originally Posted by Wimble Woof

PETA doesnt even think we should have animals as pets as we are being cruel to them by making them slaves or something like that.

.

Ive seen this stated on another forum and asked for a link to show where PETA say this - no one ever got back to me! Can you help please?

[Dakota Spirit]

Originally Posted by lurcherloopy

Ive seen this stated on another forum and asked for a link to show where PETA say this - no one ever got back to me! Can you help please?

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I've heard this claim many times as well as searched through the PETA site on several occasions and have yet to find anywhere where they state one of their missions to be ending the practice of keeping pets.

Honestly there is nothing I would like more then to discredit PETA, but this is one claim I haven't even seen from THEM.

[ChillisMom]

Well they think every dog should be spayed and neutered so I think that means that they want to put an end to pet ownership. They also support BSL...
They make me ashamed to be vegan.

[Dakota Spirit]

Originally Posted by ChillisMom

Well they think every dog should be spayed and neutered so I think that means that they want to put an end to pet ownership.

No, it doesn't. There are plenty of people out there that aren’t PETA supporters and still believe all dogs should be spayed and neutered. It’s based on the opinion that the overpopulation problem is so great right now that no other dogs need to be born into the world until it’s fixed. If you look on the PETA website there are countless pages regarding making your pet's life better - but nothing (that I can find) about ending the practice as a whole.

BSL also isn't really related to ending pet ownership - on a big level. It’s about banning 'dangerous' breeds, non-supporters (myself included) just tend to see beyond that as a possible banning of all dogs in the future.