[DobManiac]

We Can Stop the Killing by Making America a 'No-Birth' Nation

We can save animals and end these deaths by working to make America a "no-birth" nation today. The only way to stop the suffering of the innocent victims of companion animal overpopulation is to prevent their births through sterilization efforts. The United States will never be a "no-kill" nation unless it becomes a no-birth nation. Why? Every last one of the millions of deaths of animals at shelters and in the streets, alleyways, fields, basements, and back yards that occur every year could be prevented through spaying and neutering. Every single stray cat, every neglected dog, every rabbit kept in a hutch in a drafty garage—came from an animal who wasn't spayed or neutered. Animals must be killed and euthanized by the millions every year because prospective guardians choose to purchase animals from pet shops and breeders and still don't sterilize their dogs and cats.

That's a tad extreme. No births at all. It sounds like voluntary extinction of a species.

[ChillisMom]

No, it doesn't. There are plenty of people out there that aren’t PETA supporters and still believe all dogs should be spayed and neutered. It’s based on the opinion that the overpopulation problem is so great right now that no other dogs need to be born into the world until it’s fixed.

But if everyone did that we would have no dogs left after about fifteen years.

[Wimble Woof]

Ive seen this stated on another forum and asked for a link to show where PETA say this - no one ever got back to me! Can you help please?

Just from quotes from them in the past as highlighted here....

http://www.computan.com/~klawrenc/ar.htm

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-- Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Just Like Us? Toward a Nation of Animal Rights" (symposium), Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.

"I don't use the word 'pet.' I think it's speciest language. I prefer 'companion animal.' We would no longer allow... pet shops... Eventually companion animals would be phased out."
-- Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Harper's Magazine, Aug. 1988

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind.
-- Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Animals, May/June 1993

"You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment >from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild .. they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV,"
-- Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.

and a particular favorite from yet another PeTA supporter -

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist."
-- John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic (Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), 1982), p. 15.

[Dakota Spirit]

Ah, thanks for those quotes Wimble Wolf

[lurcherloopy]

Originally Posted by Wimble Woof

Just from quotes from them in the past as highlighted here....

http://www.computan.com/~klawrenc/ar.htm

Thanks for the quotes but they appear to be mainly from one person, can you post a link from PETA that says it is their policy that all dogs and cats should be released or phased out. I have seen these before but again can find nothing officially from PETA saying it is their policy. Thanks again.

[RonE]

I think it's POSSIBLE that - just as PETA seems incapable of 'moving past' something that Eukanuba did many years ago - it may be impossible for many pet owners to move past extreme statements made by PETA's director over a decade ago.

Here are thoughts from PETA's website regarding 'companion animals.' Maybe they are 'spin' but I don't know where else you would look - other than 1993 - for their official statements.

http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp

http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/exploitation.asp

Part of the problem here, both for PETA and for Eukanuba, is that Internet fact and lore never die. Once either one is posted on a public site, it circulates forever.

[lovemygreys]

Originally Posted by lurcherloopy

Thanks for the quotes but they appear to be mainly from one person, can you post a link from PETA that says it is their policy that all dogs and cats should be released or phased out. I have seen these before but again can find nothing officially from PETA saying it is their policy. Thanks again.

I believe PETA does not take an official stance against pet ownership. They may be whacko nut-jobs but they at least have the sense to know that if the entire organization said they were out to end pet ownership, their donations would shrivel right up. And then who would pay all their salaries and that walk in freezer they use for the animals they kill?

I do not trust Peta and would never trust them in any way. They are too extremist for my taste...not in regards to pet ownership necessarily, but just about everything else.

[RoxysPack]

I think byproducts and poor quality are reason enough not to buy Iams or Eukanuba. We use Orijen, which specifically indicates that its meat portion is fit for human consumption.

[Wimble Woof]

Originally Posted by lurcherloopy

Thanks for the quotes but they appear to be mainly from one person, can you post a link from PETA that says it is their policy that all dogs and cats should be released or phased out. I have seen these before but again can find nothing officially from PETA saying it is their policy. Thanks again.

Honestly now, would you list those things on your site if you were PETA? I doubt it. as said previously it already looks bad for them that they said it to...
Harper's Magazine and Chicago Daily Herald, and were quoted on it.
To find the entire discussions you would have to look them up with them.

[nlkeple]

To quote the PETA site

"We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed....This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to."


http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp

This is what PETA has as their official stance on Pets

[RonE]

depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

Gosh, dogs really DO sound like children.

[Dakota Spirit]

Originally Posted by nlkeple

...and even urinate when humans allow them to."

Heh, I remember the day I discovered I could control the bodily functions of animals...