[the-tenth]

Originally Posted by Chi_Girl

I have never understood why it is expected to pay people extra just for doing their job that they are already getting paid for. I don't understand having to pay the pizza delivery guy not to spit on your pizza. That just isn't right. Every waitress/waiter I have ever met has always made more money than me(me making min. wage and them making a heck of a lot more) yet I'm still expected to pay them extra just for doing their job. I've worked a lot of thankless, hetcic, fast paced jobs, dealt with unruly customers, screaming kids, etc, etc, and I wasn't tipped. I just don't get it. I know people who have quit their jobs to be a waitress because waitresses make so darn much money, and thats before the tips.

I've never seen a place that hires wait-staff for even miminum wage. Every state that I have lived in doesn't have to pay minimum wage for wait-staff. And they are taxed on 15% of their sales. So when you go somewhere and don't tip, not only are they not making minimum wage while waiting on you, they're having to pay for it. It's called class. Why don't you quit your thankless low paying job, and get a job as a waitress? I can tell you first hand, it's not as wonderful as you're making it out to be.

[Chi_Girl]

Originally Posted by the-tenth

I've never seen a place that hires wait-staff for even miminum wage. Every state that I have lived in doesn't have to pay minimum wage for wait-staff. And they are taxed on 15% of their sales. So when you go somewhere and don't tip, not only are they not making minimum wage while waiting on you, they're having to pay for it. It's called class. Why don't you quit your thankless low paying job, and get a job as a waitress? I can tell you first hand, it's not as wonderful as you're making it out to be.

I don't know all the places you've lived but where I live yeah, they make well above minimum wage. And I'm not making it out to be anything, thats just the way it is here. I'm in Washington state and another person from here has already posted to the fact that waitresses here are paid well. And no, they do not get taxed 15%. And I can't quit my job now cause I don't have one. I'm disabled, I can't work, and I guarentee you I'm raising my children on less than what waitresses make. There are lots of HARD jobs out there that only pay minimum wage.

I like to take my little girls out to eat every couple months or so. I'm a single, disabled mother raising them on $500 a month disibility pay so if you think I'm low class for trying to give my little girls a treat every once in a while without tipping then good for you I guess, I'm glad you are so blessed in life that you can have that opinion. By the way when we go out all I can afford to buy is an appetizer that we all share and we drink water, the bill comes to $11 but its still a neat feeling for us to get to be going out. I guess in your eyes we are just the scum of the earth.

[nrhareiner]

Originally Posted by Chi_Girl

I don't know all the places you've lived but where I live yeah, they make well above minimum wage. And I'm not making it out to be anything, thats just the way it is here. I'm in Washington state and another person from here has already posted to the fact that waitresses here are paid well. And no, they do not get taxed 15%. And I can't quit my job now cause I don't have one. I'm disabled, I can't work, and I guarentee you I'm raising my children on less than what waitresses make. There are lots of HARD jobs out there that only pay minimum wage.

I like to take my little girls out to eat every couple months or so. I'm a single, disabled mother raising them on $500 a month disibility pay so if you think I'm low class for trying to give my little girls a treat every once in a while without tipping then good for you I guess, I'm glad you are so blessed in life that you can have that opinion. By the way when we go out all I can afford to buy is an appetizer that we all share and we drink water, the bill comes to $11 but its still a neat feeling for us to get to be going out. I guess in your eyes we are just the scum of the earth.

NOt at all. I can remember when I was a kid my mom scraping pennies so I could have some fries after church on Wed nights. It is hard to be a single parent no matter what.

I agree that tipping should be something above and beyond not just a %. I only tip if the service is impecable and if not then I tip to that leval and only wait staff. Around here they do not make that much without tips.

Heidi

[the-tenth]

Originally Posted by Chi_Girl

I like to take my little girls out to eat every couple months or so. I'm a single, disabled mother raising them on $500 a month disibility pay so if you think I'm low class for trying to give my little girls a treat every once in a while without tipping then good for you I guess, I'm glad you are so blessed in life that you can have that opinion. By the way when we go out all I can afford to buy is an appetizer that we all share and we drink water, the bill comes to $11 but its still a neat feeling for us to get to be going out. I guess in your eyes we are just the scum of the earth.

That's exactly what I said...You're low class for taking your daughters out. I must have just edited that out, huh? I didn't call you scum, I said it's called class to tip someone who provides a service for you. And the thing is, you don't have to be "blessed" to have an opinion. If I don't have the money to tip the wait-staff, then I take my kids to McDonalds. I've lived in OK, VA, NC, and PA, and most states are not required to pay wait staff minimum wage. And a guilt trip about treating your girls once in a while isn't working. If it were me, I would think about cutting back on some of the costs for housing 15 animals, and vet bills, and quite possibly internet. But that's just me. Being a single mother and on disability doesn't excuse you for putting words into people's mouths. I'm pretty cut and dry. I mean what I say, and say what I mean. i don't need any help speaking, thank you though.

[Chi_Girl]

Originally Posted by the-tenth

If it were me, I would think about cutting back on some of the costs for housing 15 animals, and vet bills, and quite possibly internet. But that's just me. Being a single mother and on disability doesn't excuse you for putting words into people's mouths.

LOL, I knew you were going to bring my animals into this. You are assuming an awful lot that you know absolutely nothing about but it's not worth arguing about or explaining for everyone to have to sit here and read. You are welcome to pm me if you want but don't tell me how to do things when you know nothing about my life or how I spend what little money I have. And I did not put any words in your mouth. You put words in my mouth, I never said you have to be blessed to have an opinion. I said you you have that specific opinion BECAUSE you are blessed. You sit there and judge others when you have never been in their shoes and you don't know what goes in their life or the area they live in.

[the-tenth]

Originally Posted by Chi_Girl

You are welcome to pm me if you want but don't tell me how to do things when you know nothing about my life or how I spend what little money I have.

Again. Read what I said. I believe what I said was "if it were me" and ended that particular statement with "that's just me". That is not telling you what to do. And forgive me, but I would think it a fairly common assumption that if you have pets, then you have to feed them. If I'm wrong, I apologize. I raised my son for 3 years alone. I know what it's like to scrape by (and still do a lot of times). And yes I do feel blessed that I am able to work, and not be forced to raise two children on a disability check. But my life hasn't been a cake walk, and will never be. My point was, and continues to be, I am of the opinion (even if I don't have the money to do it) that people that provide me services, deserve a tip. Whether the customer is unemployed and has no income, $500 disability, $7 million pro quarterback or Bill Gates. The amount of money I have doesn't affect what these service people deserve. And if I can't give them that (and a lot of times I can't) then I don't get the service.Notice how many times I said I in this post.

[Love's_Sophie]

Well...most people who tip me, tip 4-5$, although the largest tip I got one time was 20$...that was a total suprise, but the owners were so happy with their dogs when they were done. I was happy too...but not just because of the tip; those were nice people to deal with.

I really don't care so much about tips; sometimes, I would like it more if people gave me more feedback face to face about their dogs. What they liked, and disliked; instead they call the ladies upstairs, and talk to them, instead of talking to me...Lol!!! Hmmmm...how to I improve if the receptionists are the ones who they talk to? Or if they really liked the job, it would be really swell if they told, or wrote a note themselves and gave it to the receptionists to give to me later. That's what I like, is feedback...tips are nice, but some people tip regardless of whether they like the job or not.

[Cooper's Mama]

The only grooming that Cooper gets (besides me bathing and brushing him myself) is getting his nails trimmed. He has black nails and I refuse to do them. The groomer is wonderful with him as he gets very nervous and usually pees on her floor. She uses a dremel, which he responds to much better that clippers. The first time I took him in, it took 3 people to get it done. She only charged me $5, but I gave her $10. Now it only takes one person to do it, but I still give her $10.

[nrhareiner]

For me waight stafe is differnt. When you go out to eat you pay for the food and the tip is for the service. I do not tip a % of what the meal cost though. I tip according to the service. I do not care if the bill is a $100 if the servise is poor they are not going to get much. If the bill is a $1 and the service was really good they will get more.

Now when it comes to Groomers farrars hair dreasers and such I do not tip as I am already paying for that service. Again if you are not making enough to cover your costs and time then raise your prices or find a way to cut costs. I do it all the time in my business'.

Heidi

[poodleholic]

Originally Posted by starry15

I lost respect in groomers when we 1st got star. We are in such a small town theres only 2 groomers. The one we went to wanted to charge us 200 dollars for star and all he needed done was his nails and his tail needed cleaned out. My mom was like no way am I paying that much. So we go to the other groomer. It was awful. All the doggies were in cages litterly SHAKING. She made the dogs stay over night and her eyes were bobbing up and down. She was on drugs and she was feeding the dogs drugs. My mom and I walked out of there. They lady offered us a dog treat to give our dog, I said no thanks. After that experance, I lost respect in them. I now bathe and groom star myself. The vet clips stars nails FREE of charge.

$200 for nails and what??? His tail cleaned out???? LOL Do you mean anal sacs expressed? That's absurd!

A groomer can't legally administer drugs to dogs.
The dogs may have been shaking in the crate because they weren't used to being crated, so it's stressful for them in a strange environment.

Your vet clips your dog's nails free of charge?! That's a new one! I do nails every two weeks, but even if it's once a month, I'm surprised a vet wouldn't charge you - for an office visit AND the nail clipping!

[Janelle]

Your vet clips your dog's nails free of charge?! That's a new one! I do nails every two weeks, but even if it's once a month, I'm surprised a vet wouldn't charge you - for an office visit AND the nail clipping!


we do not charge at our vets office for nails if they are coming in for some thing else ..if they walk in and ask for a nail trim only then we do charge
OMG 200 for what ..that's excessive and i would be calling the better business bureu

[starry15]

We have a nice vet. He always is filled so if you need an appt you have to call a week ahead just to get in the following week. Its only 35 dollars vet visit for the 1st visit after that is free. The nail clippin is free too. My mom does have to pay for the shampoo and any medacine star gets and stars getting medacine to stop his ichyness. Other then that its free. My mom also had to pay for stars shots.

My aunt was switching to our vet. Her other vet charges 50 dollars a vet visit and extra on anything else.

Originally Posted by Janelle

Your vet clips your dog's nails free of charge?! That's a new one! I do nails every two weeks, but even if it's once a month, I'm surprised a vet wouldn't charge you - for an office visit AND the nail clipping!


we do not charge at our vets office for nails if they are coming in for some thing else ..if they walk in and ask for a nail trim only then we do charge
OMG 200 for what ..that's excessive and i would be calling the better business bureu

He probily would charge if it was just for nails but star was in for his shots when he clipped his nails and it was free of charge.

[Durbkat]

I know I won't be tipping because I just called the only groomer in our neighborhood to get a pricing of how much they'd charge just to trim the fur off Snoopy's feet so it doesn't mat and they want 30 freaking dollars! I think I will be looking at different groomers because I mean why even charge for it because all you have to do is run the clippers over the feet and your done!

[Lorina]

I mean why even charge for it because all you have to do is run the clippers over the feet and your done.

If you think it's so easy, why not just do it yourself? Because I'm sure there's no training involved, that it doesn't take any kind of skill whatsover to get a wiggly puppy to stay still enough that you don't shred the bottom of his feet.

[Durbkat]

Well if I had some clippers I would!

I know it takes skills to do it but I mean $30? I would think $10 would be a resonable price.

[Lorina]

I'm sure they just didn't pull the price out of their buttcheeks. They charge what people are willing to pay. If you're unwilling to pay what it costs to groom a long haired dog, maybe you shouldn't have gotten dog with a high-maintenance coat.

[starry15]

clippin' nails is harder then you think. You gotta make sure you dont cut it to short. If you do, it will bleed and if not taken are of if bleedin, your dog can die.

[Durbkat]

I wouldn't have a problem paying it if I was getting a body trim but I plan to keep his hair long and I wasn't even going to trim the fur off his pads but the vet said it can get matted if I don't do it.

[Dakota Spirit]

Originally Posted by Durbkat

I wouldn't have a problem paying it if I was getting a body trim but I plan to keep his hair long and I wasn't even going to trim the fur off his pads but the vet said it can get matted if I don't do it.

Heh, tell me you don't think that keeping a long coat will free you from any pro. grooming requirements? If anything, it will only require you to attend the groomer on a more consistent basis. So, I'd either start saving up or rethink the whole 'long coat' idea.

He probably would charge if it was just for nails but star was in for his shots when he clipped his nails and it was free of charge.

That’s how my vet works as well. I though you meant anyone could walk in for a nail trim (and nothing else) free of charge.

[nrhareiner]

I trim all my dogs nails and hair around their feet. I keep them groomed for what ever breed they are. Not too hard if you take your time read and learn. Heck check with your local kenal club most have clinics on grooming. You may not end up with a show grom your first few times but the only way to larn is just give it a try. It really is not that hard. I even do my horses feet and have body cliped them. You think a dog is hard and time consumming try a horse.

I agree $30 to trim just the feet is way too much. It really is not that hard and is something you can work on over time getting the pup use to it. I trim feet here as it helps keep the wet, mud and snow in the winter time out of the house. Takes about 10 min to do all 4 paws plus nails.

Heidi