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Old 05-07-2007, 04:25 PM   #1
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puppy getting very mean

okay..well my dog (mix beetween a shitzue and yorkie) is about a year old..and..when it takes stuff like socks etc you can get them back..he gets a bit mad but..when it something like a bone etc he actually goes crazy..like today..he got a bag out of the garbage that had some meat juice in it and he ran under the couch and hid..me and my mom both tried to get it back but he groweld and tried to bite..and acted like a wolf..i had to use a treat to move him then try to get it with my lacrosse satick..and he went crazy and bit it..he acts crazy and i hate it..ive heard that puppys thinks there wolfs (and im asuming he thikns hes the leader) ..does anyone have and training tip to get him to stop doing this
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Old 05-07-2007, 05:08 PM   #2
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Re: puppy getting very mean

Well i'm definatley not a dog trainer but i will lend my opinion. I had a yorkshire terrier for about 11 years so i can see where your coming from here because we sort of had the same problem. this is one of those situations where you really have to assert dominance over your dog. It does think it's the pack leader and anytime you back down from taking something from her you confirm that (don't get me wrong i wouldn't want to suffer a bite either) You were saying you tried to lure her out with a treat. I understand where you were coming from but really all it did was give a positive reinforcment for aggressive behavior. The only suggestion i could give as to what i would do is try and get her out from under whatever she was hiding under and turn her on her back exposing her belly. This is typical dominant stance. She obviously will go insane but just try and hold her there until she calms down. This is amature advice at best so please anyone who knows better correct me. I hope this helps. Good luck!
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seems like your dogs is displaying resource guarding behaviors. i`m not a training expert or anything, but my recommendation would be first off, you have a small dog. you should easily be able to get trash cans that he cannot get into. human food is very tempting to a dog and him being able to get to it is going to bring out those guarding behaviors. he is small enough that with a little diligence and some covered cans, that should be easy enough to prevent. of course this will not cure his underlying problem, but it should reduce the temptation anyways. for help with his guarding behaviors, i would suggest talking to a trainer who specializes in behavioral problems. the bottom line is if he is holding something and growling, the last thing you want to do is yell at him or chase him--you will just hype him up and cause more problem behavior. once you get him to drop it, do not scold him or hit him. if you can get him to come to you and take a treat from you and drop the item, that is awesome. try crouching down and calling him to you with the sweetest voice possible while holding out a treat. dogs are not stupid, if you are yelling or talking in a stern voice, hes not going to come to you if he thinks he is getting in trouble. if you are advancing towards him, he is going to be more likley to be aggressive towards you. he will also be more likley to be aggressive when he feels cornered. positive reinforcement is going to go much further with your dog than forcing her into a submissive roll. we tried that with our dog and it only made things worse. before trying aversive training methods, i would suggest looking up resource guarding behaviors and also enrolling your dog in a puppy training class. its not only training for the dog, its training for thier humans too. your dog is not acting like a wolf, he is acting like a dog who is trying to protect a valuable resource to him. you need to help him see that he is not going to be punished by giving up the resource. instead, he will be rewarded. IMO, your dog should submit to you because he respects you and because he wants to, not because he is afraid of you. what kind of a relationship is that?i'm no expert, but if i were having this problem with my dog, this is what i would do: i would start by offering him treats for his toys. each time he has a toy in his mouth, call him to you and offer him a small treat in exchange for the toy. when he steals something like a sock, don't chase him, again crouch down and offer him a treat in exchange for the sock. that way, when he steals a more high value item, he will be more likley to come to you and give up the item. the bottom line is you want the item back, and you don't want him to act like cujo. if he is willing to come to you, then it will be alot easier. even if you are forced to pry the item from his mouth, you should still NOT yell or punish him.
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Re: puppy getting very mean

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okay..well my dog (mix beetween a shitzue and yorkie) is about a year old..and..when it takes stuff like socks etc you can get them back..he gets a bit mad but..when it something like a bone etc he actually goes crazy..like today..he got a bag out of the garbage that had some meat juice in it and he ran under the couch and hid..me and my mom both tried to get it back but he groweld and tried to bite..and acted like a wolf..i had to use a treat to move him then try to get it with my lacrosse satick..and he went crazy and bit it..he acts crazy and i hate it..ive heard that puppys thinks there wolfs (and im asuming he thikns hes the leader) ..does anyone have and training tip to get him to stop doing this
Dogs aren't wolves, and dominance isn't the issue here. I'm also hesistant to think resource guarding is the issue here as well, but I understand where you're coming from meeegun and you could very well be right.

What I believe is going on is, the dog is playing a game with you, and you've willingly participated in the game. What you need to do is practice NILIF (there's a sticky at the top of this forum on NILIF). I would also hand feed this dog on a regular schedule and teach some obedience. meeegun's exchange game is an excellent exercise to add in here. These are ideas to improve the consistency of the communication with your dog. From what I can tell, it sounds like this dog is confused, and it's acting accordingly. So you and your family needs to set up some structure that everyone can follow in communicating with the dog.
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The only suggestion i could give as to what i would do is try and get her out from under whatever she was hiding under and turn her on her back exposing her belly. This is typical dominant stance. She obviously will go insane but just try and hold her there until she calms down. This is amature advice at best so please anyone who knows better correct me. I hope this helps. Good luck!
Flipping your dog on it's back and forcing it to lay there is a great way to get bitten. This is NOT a typical dominant stance (sorry, you asked to be corrected ). The only time an Alpha dog would flip another on it's back would be to kill it - not show dominance. Any other time this behavior would be offered up as an appeasement gesture from a lower ranking pack member, never forced. Let's keep in mind that we are not dogs, our dogs know we are not dogs and there is no way on this earth that we as humans could ever emulate dog behavior, so why try? Instead let's show leadership, not dominance, leadership.
Here's a few handy articles:
http://www.clickersolutions.com/arti.../dominance.htm
http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/macho.htm
http://www.clickersolutions.com/arti...01/whycant.htm

To the OP: I would tend to believe this is object guarding. The trading game is a great idea - here is a good article and plan to help with this.
http://www.clickersolutions.com/arti...ctguarding.htm
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Re: puppy getting very mean

When you are at home I would keep a leash on him so when he gets something you will have some controll and then trade it with a good treat or a faviorite toy.
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Re: puppy getting very mean

My Riley is half shih tzu and did pretty much the same thing. It was almost a game to him but the growling was kind of scarey. I started to play fetch with him and would offer a treat when he brought the toy/ball back which would cause him to drop the toy. I would point down, say drop, hold treat and when he did it feed him the treat and use the clicker. We could spend hours playing this game. Before I knew it he would drop the item before he even got to me. LOL. I no longer have to treat or clicker. I just say drop and he does it. So now when he gets a grip on something I don't want him to have - for instance my shoe - I just have to point down, say drop and he does it. Most of the time. He's only 6 months old.
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