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Old 11-04-2009, 03:45 PM   #1
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I have a 5 month old Brittany, named Sawyer. I am hoping to do obedience with him, and least get his CD, if not more. We are in puppy classes right now, but they are very basic and we are using them mostly as socialization. He is doing very well, he knows sit, down, stand, come, shake, crawl, rollover, drop it, leave it. He is doing very well with heel, and stay too. I have a few more things I want to teach but dont know how. I am knew to advance obedience, but have trained many pet dogs successfully.

First is I want him to drop into a laying down position immediately when told, "drop on recall". How do you teach this? What is the hand signal? Voice command? What does he need to master before this?

How do I teach the strong heel. I want him to stay directly at my side. I have never required this of one of my dogs, always just a loose lead. For obedience he needs a true heel. BUT I also want to be able to take a walk with him where he just has a loose lead.

How do you teach the finish in heel position? Where the dog backs into the heel position again?

Any other commands or tricks are very welcome too!!

Thanks guys!

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First is I want him to drop into a laying down position immediately when told, "drop on recall". How do you teach this? What is the hand signal? Voice command? What does he need to master before this?
Drop on recall command (AKC) is either voice or signal but, not both. Most people use voice...Down is the most popular. The dog needs to be proofed on Downs. Does he really understand that Down means Down under all conditions, anytime, anywhere.

One tip: don't always down the dog on a recall. They'll usually start slowing down...often dramatically.....anticipating that drop.

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This takes a long time....often, 2 years to master. While there are many approaches, the most tried and true method starts out with zero slack in the leash. Once the dog has mastered that....staying in perfect heel position you give him 1" of slack and start all over again (lefts, rights, about turns, changes of pace, etc.). Then, you go to 2" of slack, then 3", etc.

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There are 3 ways to accomplish the Swing finish (vs. the Around finish). The 'Pop finish' where the dog jumps in the air, does a half twist and lands at heel is done by teaching the dog to target/touch your left hand.

The traditional way to teach the Swing finish is to hand lure the dog to your left while taking a large step back with your left foot. That produces a walk..slight arc to your left...the dog walks slightly behind you and then comes up a step or two into heel position.

The Butt back-in is probably the harder one to teach. That one is done on leash (sometimes 2 leashes) usually with the leash behind your back...holding the leash in your right hand. Lots of guiding, sometimes stepping forward slightly with your left foot to force the dog to move to your left while pulling on the leash or, using your left hand in front of his face to back him up.

Alot of it is trial and error, practice (alot of it!) and whatever the dog seems to respond to the best.

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I'd be careful about teaching a drop on recall to a dog still training for or competing in novice. You don't want to confuse the issue, and it can happen, especially with novice handlers/dogs.

I suggest you get a really, really good book. One of the best competition obedience training books out there is "competition obedience, a balancing act" by adele yunk and judy byron.
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I'd be careful about teaching a drop on recall to a dog still training for or competing in novice. You don't want to confuse the issue, and it can happen, especially with novice handlers/dogs.

Good point! We avoid the drop on recall until the CD is completed even if they're training for CDX. (We allow folks to start CDX training once they have 2 CD legs).
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yea, I can see teaching DB and jumps. But keep the out of sight stays and DOR lower key.

Hey Tooney, what sort of competition obedience training books do you like to recommend to people? I'm always interested in new titles to read.

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Thank you both. I will put off teaching DOR for now.

I would also be interested in any/more books. This is my first competition dog, but hopefully not my last!
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Here is the list put out by my dogobedience yahoogroup. It has some good ones, and then "don't waste your time one"... Some of the titles might be repeats, oh well.

I added a couple of titles, too. And * means that the book is super great.

Play Training Your Dog by Patricia Gail Burnham

The Inner Game of Tennis by W Timothy Gallwey (for competition nerves, I'm thinking)

Beyond Basic Dog Training-Bauman *

Successful obedience handling-Handler *

Most books by Volhard *

Obedience Judging:-Oxandale *

Koheler books

Bernie Browns Novice and Open books

Terri Arnolds set of 3...after you put a second mortgage on your house....lol *

Lana Mitchells, The Clicked Retriever for clicker fans (I have this, and am not impressed with it at all - a total waste of money, though for some people it works)

Shirley Chongs pages of clicker training on the net and by all means get;

Dr. Chris Zinks....Coaching the Canine Athlete and Jumping A to Z *

How to Raise a Puppy You Can Live With.....Rutherford

Dog Listener...Jan Fennell

Beyond Obedience...April Frost

Positively Fetching by Judy Byron and Adele Yunck* (

Competition Obedience: A Balancing Act by Judy Byron and Adele Yunck *

The Art of proofing - by Adele Yunk *

'Building Blocks for Performance'. Bobbie Anderson's *

The Power of Positive Training by Pat Miller

Ring Wise and Ring Ready by Marie Sawford

COMPETITIVE OBEDIENCE TRAINING FOR THE SMALL DOG
by Barbara Cecil & Gerianne Darnell ** (you can apply lots of this to big dogs!)

And on training "non-traditional obedience" breeds:
SO YOUR DOG'S NOT LASSIE
by Betty Fisher & Suzanne Delzio *

Dog Training with the Touch* by Tom Rose & Annetta L. Cheek
(www.tomrose.com) covers some AKC and UKC exericses, although it's
mainly a SchH book.

Fido, Come!": Training Your Dog with Love & Understanding* by
Liz Palika ((www.lizpalika.com) is, alas, out of print, but if you can
find a copy, it covers UKC as well as AKC exercises.

A classic of dog training:, Patricia Gail Burnham's

Yunck and Byron's, Competition Obedience

Winnifred Strickladnd, (yep the first training book I ever owned and still
useful)Expert Obedience Training for Dogs (this was one of the first books I ever got when I started, and you can learn from her!)

Amy Ammen's, Dual Ring Dog

That Winning Feeling by Jane Savoie


With Winning in Mind by Lanny Bassham

Janet Lewis' Smart Trainers, Brilliant Dogs (excellent book) *

Judie Howard's booklet on retrieve, jumping (I wish she would write a
complete book on training she's excellent) *

Terri Arnold's, Steppin Up series *

Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson *

On Talking Terms With Dogs: Calming Signals by Turid Rugaas

Dildai's, Training in Drive

Playtraining Your Dog* which, I'm told, was written as a kind of antidote to Koehler.

Schutzhund Obedience: Training in Drive* by Sheila Booth &
Gottfried Dildei is very good on inducive training. Don't let the
title scare you -- it doesn't cover "bitework." This is a classic of
inducive training, written before Booth got the "pure positive" religion. (this one is great, much better than her other one she wrote later)

Brian McGovern's *Competitive Obedience for Winners* has excellent
instructions on attention training and footwork by one of the leading
European handlers. Again, some of the exercises are going to be a
little different, because McGovern trains and shows in Europe.



Schutzhund Obedience--Training in Drive-Gottfried Dildei

Stop! Sit! and Think-Charles P. Eisenmann

Don't waste your time on Spector's, "Clicker training for obedience" i - t has little helpful information, no proofing or problem solving, and the man has only put three CDXs (two of them weren't even clicker CDXs) and nothing ever higher, and he claims his book will get you to an OTCH! HAH!! Hah, big claims for someone who's never put UD on a dog yet.
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*The Dog Listener by Jan Fennell

Dog Whisperer, Paul Owens

the tao of bow wow-unknown auther


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Videos:
Bauman video's

OBEDIENCE WITHOUT CONFLICT -Ivan Balabanovs

Connie Cleveland's video package

Jan DeMello's tape on articles(around the clock methood)

Anne Marie Silvertons tapes-awesome in my book-I have 4 of
them-attention to Utility

Attention heeling-Terri Arnold

Gottfried Dildei videos, some of Joanne Plumbs, and most definitely, the two by Ivan Balabanov. These (like
Dildei and Plumb) are chiefly for SchH obedience, but Balabanov, of
course, is famous for his high scores and precision in the obedience
phase of SchH. Much of what he says is quite applicable to AKC obedinece.

Barbara Handler's *Successful Obedience Handling: The New Best Foot
Forward*
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Wow! That's a great list. I have somehow developed a paralyzing fear of buying bad books, so I really appreciate the inclusion of do not buy.

I'm going to have to get another bookcase soon. C:
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What about teaching him how to change lightbulbs?
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What about teaching him how to change lightbulbs?
Wouldnt that be handy?
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Much of this training depend on the breed. A Chihuahua couldn't be expected to change a bulb that is more then a few feet, or rather inches, above the ground.
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I can't really comment on training for competition obedience (I'm an agility and field girl, myself) but I did want to ask that you post photos of Sawyer! Yay for Britts!

TXCollies, great list. Copied to my HD.
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http://www.dogforums.com/8-dog-pictu...k-picture.html (Having Fun at the Park (Picture heavy!))

Libby is BEAUTIFUL!!! I dont see very many Brittanys around.
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Yay! Pictures! I missed that thread... I have had a rediculously busy week!

Thanks, I think she's pretty special myself. Sawyer is a looker too!
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