[Foyerhawk]

No kidding Cracker. Those are the nastiests posts I've ever seen on any forum I've ever been on, I think- and that's saying something. I've seen a few decent fights on forums, but they've never turned into cussing out strangers!

[BoxMeIn21]

Originally Posted by Cracker

Thank goodness for the quote function, or I wouldn't have been able to read all the nice words the Mrs. sent our way.

Yikes.

Um yeah, and that wasn't all of it...She was all about throwing out some insults...but who could blame her, she was being abused!!

[MaddieTheDog]

The dog is probably very confused and may fear the owner when it comes to spanking. Just the image of someone picking their dog up and spanking its rear end (uncovered, butthole exposed rear end, mind you, gross) is messed up. They dont speak our language. I dont think anyone would like to go to a foreign country and get spanked for not knowing their language immediately.

I also disagree with spanking children...but, I can understand spanking in VERY rare occasions to spank children for the REALLY bad things--like running into streets. (Used rarely, it can be efficient.) I dont have kids so I can't say for myself, but I work with children professionally.

Now, in the rare case that Maddie tries to bite or tries to jump on a child (she gets very defensive, I think it's because she's fearful of the child who is her size/smaller, and acts dominant and will do some damage if allowed-older kids fine, just those smaller ones) she gets picked up, glared at and I yell at her a big fat "NO! NOT OK!". Only when her behavior becomes dangerous will she get this treatment.

To those saying they do it for the noise-
You can make noise by things other than their bodies. Yesterday, Maddie barked at nothing (probably someone across the street) and she went to the door. I let her, then told her to come back. She ignored me. I kept saying "maddie, come" and made myself sound very exciting. She has a problem with coming when asked. Then she tried to go upstairs to see her daddy. So I took the book in my hand and threw it on the couch. Got her attention and she came back over. It was the first time I did that. I dont want her to get scared of these loud noises.

Originally Posted by Allie3985

I have spanked my dog two times. Once when she was chasing a toad into a bonfire. The toad actually jumped into the fire and Pickles was about to follow suite! She was running full speed at the fire and I freaked and screamed "Pickles stop!" and whacked her on the butt. It scared the CRAP out of her and she did not come near the fire the rest of the night and kept coming up to me with her head hanging as if to say she was sorry. I felt terrible but I suppose I would have felt worse if she would have been burned.

I have also spanked Merry once when she was getting in a dog fight. This is very stupid. . .but I got lucky and it worked.

Both times that I spanked it was out of panic. I don't know if I regret doing it because I prevented worse injuries but I do wish that I would have
a) had a better recall with Pickles to call her off or had been watching her closer to see this coming
b) known the "finger in the butt" trick, or again seen the warning signs from the other dog and not let Merry near him
c) no more dog park for me, you live and learn. I will react better the next time I'm in the situations.

That would be one of the few times I would spank a dog or a child---gets them out of danger. With the dog, I would grab the dog or "spank" him/her to get their attention because there's no time to waste. Doing something else may not work in time and then you'd have one hot dog. Well, with the kid, I would grab them as fast as I could. Not sure if I would spank, but I can see the point there.

Originally Posted by marsha=whitie

I don't believe in spanking, but I do believe in some type of physical punishment (not beating). When Susie chased a car down the driveway, and I yelled at her, she didn't stop. I had to chase her down. When I caught her, she refused to walk, so I drug her til she decided to cooperate. She was tied up for 2 days, and she hasn't chased a car since. Sometimes you have to get rough, but not to the beating point.

When Callie was a pup, she would bite. Anytime she did so, I'd yelp and ignore her, but she just wouldn't stop. So, one day I kinda went off; she bit me, I grabbed her by her neck hair and collar, flipped her over and growled(call me wierd, idc). I held her there til she stopped squirming and biting. It work; she hasn't bitten me since, unless we're rough-housing and its ok. That's actually why I named her Callisto Kaida: "My most Beautiful Little Dragon." lol

Two days???? Within 30 seconds your dog would have had NO idea what you were upset at. I hope your dog was not continuously tied up--isnt it illegal to have your dog tied up for over a specific amount of time? Maybe it's just certain states. Either way, that is a form of abuse.

With your second example, my trainer said that she did that with her dog a couple of times and it was the only time she would. I've adopted the same stance, as I wrote above.

[Rayzyn]

My dog is a large breed (Am. Staff x Boxer) and weighs about 35kg.. When playing he somtimes goes a bit far and jumps and bites the face/chest area. I have given him a stern NO! and a tap on the back leg, but never hit him to the point where he's afraid of me.

It's my dog and I use my own judgement on how I treat him (within the law that is)

[nikkiluvsu15]

I would like to say I haven't, but unfortunately I have. It was after Rebel chewed something up. I don't want to say that spanking him made him NOT ever do it again, but he hasn't. I haven't ever hit him again though.

Although both Harleigh and Rebel are a little hard headed at times. I sometimes, not always use a gentle tap to get their attention. It seems to work and neither are aggressive. But no spanking anymore for them.

I was spanked as a child and I am glad I was. I'm a much better kid because of it. Spanking, IMHO, isn't as cruel as everyone says it is. Nor is it child abuse. Let me clarify, It isn't that unless the parents or whoever take it out of hand. My parents never did. Everyone I know never takes it out of hand either.

One way I look at it is... Most kids (not all, some respond better to other methods and I have no problem with that. Whatever works!) learn something from spankings, dogs don't because they aren't human beings.

That's just me honest opinion. Some may disagree and some may agree, but that's just the way the world goes!

[SunnySmoothe]

My dog had an accident, #2, in the house on Fri/Sat. Terrible considering she is house trained. The weird part is she pooped right in front of 2 different bathroom doors for some odd reason.

The accident on Friday, I tried to be calm and smacked her lightly then she just comes up to me and licks me.

Second time on Sat, I was being observant and let her out several times yet she managed to sneak away and went to my bedroom bathroom and pooped. I was so pissed, that I picked up my dog, threw her down near the poop, yelled and hit her a couple times in the face. I rolled up a magazine and started hitting it with my hand making a loud noise and scaring her. Then I picked her up and put her in the bath tub as I cleaned. I realize what I have done does not help house train her however I lost my temper. Horrible excuse and I feel so badly.

I really felt bad the day after and I can tell her mood wasn't the same even though I know she forgave me. Unfortunately the bruises she may have had I cannot see because of her fur and the emotional bruises have probably ruined some of the trust she had in me.

Today I feel completely horrible because thinking back when I hit her she didn't even growl, yelp, or run, she took it. Her head cowered and she was terrified but she just stood there. I mean its only poop and shouldn't be a big deal so why did I get so mad. I am so disappointed in myself for being so angry and not being a calm pack leader. I hope this incident is a good lesson for me. My dog Lucy is so innocent, very friendly and loves to lick so I could be so evil and hurt her in that manner. WOW I am feeling depressed.

[Cracker]

Sunny Smoothe.

I found your post really upsetting. NOt only because of your pup but also because of you. IF your dog is fully housetrained (and if she's under a year, she's most likely NOT) than an accident or two must happen because of something...she could be having trouble holding her bowels for some reason, she could be suffering from separation anxiety, she could have worms etc. You didn't even try to figure out why this happened. This is unfair to her....and your reaction was, simply put..ABUSE.

Now, this is something you feel bad about now...I truly believe you need to talk to someone about your anger...this sort of behaviour on your part needs to be looked into as it is NOT a normal response. Please do so.

I am torn between anger and pity.

[Jen D]

I spanked once an aggressive dog that turned and showed teeth towards a person. I am lucky I didn't get bit and I could of handled it a better way but it was just an instant reaction.

[MarleyandMe]

I believe that spaking in children is somthing to evolk emotions, not pain. You tap a todler on the bum, and tell him no, he cries, not because the tap that was through a diaper hurt him, but because it's shocking to the child, oh my dog, mom is mad at me. However, I think a dog wouild take it differently. I have never ever hit marley, ever. They would take it too much to heart, so to speak, and it might create fear. I think positive reinforcement is better to the dog, because it creates a happier atmospshere. Hitting is completly unnessasary because just saying "bad dog" has the same effect on the dog as the light tap on a child's bum, and that's all that's needed.

[deege39]

Originally Posted by SunnySmoothe

My dog had an accident, #2, in the house on Fri/Sat. Terrible considering she is house trained. The weird part is she pooped right in front of 2 different bathroom doors for some odd reason.

The accident on Friday, I tried to be calm and smacked her lightly then she just comes up to me and licks me.

Second time on Sat, I was being observant and let her out several times yet she managed to sneak away and went to my bedroom bathroom and pooped. I was so pissed, that I picked up my dog, threw her down near the poop, yelled and hit her a couple times in the face. I rolled up a magazine and started hitting it with my hand making a loud noise and scaring her. Then I picked her up and put her in the bath tub as I cleaned. I realize what I have done does not help house train her however I lost my temper. Horrible excuse and I feel so badly.

I really felt bad the day after and I can tell her mood wasn't the same even though I know she forgave me. Unfortunately the bruises she may have had I cannot see because of her fur and the emotional bruises have probably ruined some of the trust she had in me.

Today I feel completely horrible because thinking back when I hit her she didn't even growl, yelp, or run, she took it. Her head cowered and she was terrified but she just stood there. I mean its only poop and shouldn't be a big deal so why did I get so mad. I am so disappointed in myself for being so angry and not being a calm pack leader. I hope this incident is a good lesson for me. My dog Lucy is so innocent, very friendly and loves to lick so I could be so evil and hurt her in that manner. WOW I am feeling depressed.

I just want to ask why accidents in the house like that make you erupt with such anger and violence?

It is only after all, poop or pee, if one or two accidents that can be easily cleaned up are that upsetting, I think you may need someone to talk to... It's not as if the accidents covered the entire room, ceiling to floor, ground into the furniture to never be removed... If it left a stain, or an odor, a simple steam-cleaner from Wal-Mart can resolve the mess...

Your post was very troubling, as it was very descriptive, but I do give you credit for acknowledging that reaction was inappropriate...

[MaddieTheDog]

Regardless of what the law says, that should not dictate whether or not something should or should not be done. What is morally/ethically right may not be what the law says. The law can say it's ok to run someone over, but does it make it ok? nope.

[Furby]

Try a rolled up news paper. DO NOT hit the dog with it. Bang the paper around. Make some noise. Tap the dog LIGHTLY with it. They get the idea.

That way they can hate the paper not me.

[RedyreRottweilers]

Originally Posted by Furby

Try a rolled up news paper. DO NOT hit the dog with it. Bang the paper around. Make some noise. Tap the dog LIGHTLY with it. They get the idea.

That way they can hate the paper not me.

You really should not come on a public forum and advise people to use such an object to strike or intimidate their dog.

This is absolutely not necessary in ANY form of training. If you find a need to pick up a rolled up newspaper, I suggest you hit yourself on the head with it, not use it to intimidate or strike your dog.

[Luce]

I've tapped Otis about 3 times now. All 3 times were reactionary and all pointless. It goes like this: we're doing sit/stay/down/shake/etc and after a while he gets tired and barks at me because he doesn't want to do it anymore. Then I say 'No! No bark!' and he crouches down playfully and barks at me. Then I say 'No! No bark!' and he jumps up and tries to bite my hand. And then, without thinking, I slap him on the nose or the side and say 'No!'. Then he tries to jump and bite my hand again because now he thinks we're playing tussle (obviously I don't slap him hard enough for him to think I'm angry - lucky for us both!) and by now I'm in control of myself and I either walk away or I pick him up and either put him in another room for a time out or I hold him firmly and say 'Calm down!' until he stops stuggling/trying to bite.

Anyway, point is, 3 times now I've done that as a reaction, without thinking, and three times he responded by trying to play-bite me again. So I would never try to use correctional taps/slaps on purpose - he might develop a real aggression/fear issue.

And yeah, I have also realised that I need to make our training sessions shorter so he doesn't get tired and snappy in the first place.