[Elana55]

Well, you got some good suggestions here Erick. How is it working for you? Where in Mexico do you live (north, central, southern)? Are you in the mountains?

If you spend a lot of your time outdoors, the dogs can be out with you. I recall someone posting here from Greece and they LIVED outside... only went in at night to sleep. What a great place that sounded like. Wondering if you live in a similar place?

[Erick Aguilar]

No, there is a difference from fecal matter and a fart... a great difference, but i won't explain all the shabang as it seems you can't find logic to it and even if i make a point, it won't make a difference.

Look, you and me have very different points of view.
I don't know your neighbors dogs, but my dogs are always very happy in my yards playing,chewing their toys,chasing and digging.

And my puppy loves to be outside when i take him to play with my other dog as much as he loves to be inside, i spend enough time to tire him up and let him sleep two hours and then feedtime,and some more playing,then we both go to sleep.
Not to mention my other dog who has even MORE energy than my Husky, so it's the double effort and time i spend with them.
Husky puppy is already very close to me, and i'm his world, my other dog is not only fond to me, she is my companion, and we spend awesome time togheter, but she knows to wait patiently for me to go outside and play with her.

I ask you not to generalize please; the fact that you know persons who actually have a very BAD situation with their dogs living outside, doesn't mean that everybody that has their dogs living outside will have the same horrible situation.

About poisonous food.
You know dogs are very curious, and you can't be looking after them all the time, i also think you know that most cleaning products, and products used for mechanical stuff, have a sweet flavor which attracts dogs, not to mention they are natural chewers (at least when they are puppies, which is the main think i'm aiming for in this discussion) and they could chew anything without you noticing.

Anyway, i doubt your opinions will change my mind anyway.

[Sydni]

We have had baby gates up in parts of our home that we want the puppies to be out of since before they came home. They have never known any other thing. One of them will immediately go through and "investigate" if the gate is open, the other will lay on the floor outside the gate and watch us, even if the gate is open. Sometimes it is not training, it is personality. You just need to be patient. But I can say that even though one dog's nose is the same hight as the gate, they have never even considered jumping them. They jump other things but not the gates, because they are like moving walls to them.

We also taught them the word "out". Even if the gate is open we simply tell them "out" and out the go. We have used this approach since we brought them home at 4 months old. They are now 16 months and very well behaved about where they go in the house.

Again, patience and persistence are key.

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[Taz Monkey]

Originally Posted by wvasko

Taz
Good reply as it gets me a chance to get into your head a little. I can understand the outside dogs (neighbors) being a pain in the butt. I also agree with the attitude of dogs being outside where in a 24 hr program they may if they are lucky actually get to see their owners maybe 30 to 45 minutes a day when they are fed and watered and cleaned up after. 100% I agree with it's not the best of lives for dogs. When you reply with something of interest people read it and think about it and may even try to change something if they can. When you just jump up and down on an OP you turn people off and any message gets lost in the reply. It's kinda like throwing the baby out with the bath water. With outside dog owners I like to tell them to keep a daily journal about how much time each day that they spend with the dogs, and what they actually do with the dogs. I have an idea there will be some surprised owners if they don't lie on the journal about how little quality time they spend with their dogs. My opinion only.

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I bet if I went across the yard and asked my neighbor to do this, he would laugh...because he does not care. I have talked to him about it. He sees them as animals, the dogs were all gifts for the kids, who, of course, don't care about them anymore. So, your approach might work with some, but not all. This is the same neighbor who's daughter was outside hitting the beagle on the back with a broom. I went to their house and told the mother, who basically said ok and shut the door. They don't care.

And to Erick, a dog is only going to poop on the floor for a very short time. 2 of my 3 dogs have NEVER had a single accident in the house. I also dont think a turn on the floor is going to affect food in the cabinets and silverware in the drawer, but I digress. Good luck to you. I think a dog has a far great chance of getting into something dangerous and poisonous while it's outside unsupervised, than when it's inside with you. None of my dogs have access to foods that are bad for them or cleaning products. Everything in my home has a place.

[Erick Aguilar]

Originally Posted by Elana55

Well, you got some good suggestions here Erick. How is it working for you? Where in Mexico do you live (north, central, southern)? Are you in the mountains?

If you spend a lot of your time outdoors, the dogs can be out with you. I recall someone posting here from Greece and they LIVED outside... only went in at night to sleep. What a great place that sounded like. Wondering if you live in a similar place?

I live in northern mexico (Just below Texas)
My current dog only comes inside when there is a huge storm with lightings,floods or celebrations that involve fireworks. As she is very scared of booms and she dislikes water.

And my new puppy is inside most of the time, i take him out 3 times a day to play with Prude (old dog)

Yep! i love to be out with them, and play games, chase eachother...

[wvasko]

Originally Posted by Taz Monkey

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I bet if I went across the yard and asked my neighbor to do this, he would laugh...because he does not care. I have talked to him about it. He sees them as animals, the dogs were all gifts for the kids, who, of course, don't care about them anymore. So, your approach might work with some, but not all. This is the same neighbor who's daughter was outside hitting the beagle on the back with a broom. I went to their house and told the mother, who basically said ok and shut the door. They don't care.

And to Erick, a dog is only going to poop on the floor for a very short time. 2 of my 3 dogs have NEVER had a single accident in the house. I also dont think a turn on the floor is going to affect food in the cabinets and silverware in the drawer, but I digress. Good luck to you. I think a dog has a far great chance of getting into something dangerous and poisonous while it's outside unsupervised, than when it's inside with you. None of my dogs have access to foods that are bad for them or cleaning products. Everything in my home has a place.

Taz-Erick
As I said I can understand your outside dog problems and I think you and Erick can play nice now and agree to disagree and I am off this thread.
Good Luck to both of you.

[Elana55]

I have been to the Border Towns in that area and life there is vastly different than here in the US.. and border towns are, in my understanding, vastly different than other parts of Mexico.

It sounds like the dogs come in when they have to. You rarely have cold weather requiring them to be in like I have here and probably spend as much time outside as possible. A different culture and climate for sure!

Meanwhile, have you come up with a way to keep the dog out of the kitchen when he is indoors? You did get some good advice.

[Erick Aguilar]

I just thetered him to my leg so he follows me wherever i go, and praise when he is out of the kitchen, and correct when he goes in, and it's working so far =D