[RonE]

I'm reading on another thread about holding a dog down on it's back to "calm" him and/or show who's boss.

I hear from people every day who rub their dog's nose in their own feces or urine to housebreak them and are frustrated because it doesn't seem to be working.

Those are two popular training myths. Let's start a collection of them so we can get them out in the open. Maybe the light of day will kill them.

Ooh, ooh, I just remembered another one: Smack your dog with a roll-up newspaper instead of using your hand so he doesn't fear your hand.

Just to be clear - these are MYTH'S! Don't do this stuff.

[harrise]

The mad screaming recall. (with correction)

The knee in the chest for jumping.

[borzoimom]

Discipline a dog when you come home if the dog has gotton into or done something wrong.

[RonE]

The mad screaming recall.

Oh, I LOVE that one. "Fido, get your mangy butt back here so I can kick your ass!"

Then, if Fido somehow DOES decide to come home, don't forget to kick his ass (or maybe smack him with a rolled up newspaper.)

[harrise]

After he gets up from the roll, right?

[gills]

How to train a dog to heel: Hold the leash in your left hand, with half of it loose in your right. When the dog pulls, use your right hand to slap the dog across the side of the body with the end of the leash. Repeat until dog is cowering on a loose lead.

That's how my dad did it when I was a kid

[Curbside Prophet]

The one I see most often...justifying a punishment by thinking and saying, "he knows what he did wrong." It's a myth in that most likely the dog wasn't taught what to do, and it doesn't work because, well, we're simply applying human attributes to a dog.

[harrise]

Ooh, ooh. The ear pinch retrieve!

[Love's_Sophie]

Ooh, ooh, I got one!!!

Playing the catch me if you can game!!!! I think I see this one the most...people call the dog, dog runs...person chases after...Doh!!!!!

[Curbside Prophet]

Originally Posted by Love's_Sophie

Ooh, ooh, I got one!!!

Playing the catch me if you can game!!!! I think I see this one the most...people call the dog, dog runs...person chases after...Doh!!!!!

I see this differently. I see this as the dog teaching the human a perfect recall, LOL.

[Inga]

wiping puppies nose in his mess when he has an accident. I hate that.

[RonE]

That's how my dad did it when I was a kid

Here's how they taught kids like me to swim 50 years ago. Have the kid stand at the end of the diving board - back to the water. Whack the kid on the back of the knees with a cane pole so he does a kind of sad back-flip into the deep end. After he struggles for a while (but preferably before he sinks to the bottom, since the "instructor" is in street clothes) reach in with the same cane pole and pull the kid to the side. Repeat as necessary.

It didn't work with me, or most kids. It took a summer of private lessons with a competitive swim coach to get me to even LIKE the water, and I decided I liked it a LOT.

Sorry. I just OT'd my own thread.

[applesmom]

Originally Posted by harrise

Ooh, ooh. The ear pinch retrieve!

Even though I'm 100 percent against it; the ear pinch method of retriever training does work, if done properly by an experienced trainer.

However I do agree, also 100 percent, the method doesn't work for the majority of pet owners and shouldn't even be attempted by anyone that isn't well experienced in it's use.

[briteday]

How about...if the dog is barking, yell at it louder so that the dog will stop???!!!

Kinda like talking loud to a blind person, jeesh, they're not deaf!

[Curbside Prophet]

Originally Posted by applesmom

Even though I'm 100 percent against it; the ear pinch method of retriever training does work, if done properly by an experienced trainer.

I, thankfully, have not seen a forced retrieve using the ear. Do they really use the ear? I thought it was done with a toe loop.

When harrise said that, I immediately thought of how my father would ear pinch us to pick up our toys.

[wvasko]

Originally Posted by harrise

Ooh, ooh. The ear pinch retrieve!

The ear pinch is used in conjunction with force breaking a dog to retrieve and it does work, but it is a savage ordeal. Not to be used by the faint of heart.

[Sugar Daddy Otis]

Good thread, RonE!
Biting a dog back when it bites you.

[harrise]

Originally Posted by applesmom

Even though I'm 100 percent against it; the ear pinch method of retriever training does work, if done properly by an experienced trainer.

However I do agree, also 100 percent, the method doesn't work for the majority of pet owners and shouldn't even be attempted by anyone that isn't well experienced in it's use.

It's one of those gray area things. Works for a very small percentage and is misunderstood by most.

[wvasko]

Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet

I, thankfully, have not seen a forced retrieve using the ear. Do they really use the ear? I thought it was done with a toe loop.

When harrise said that, I immediately thought of how my father would ear pinch us to pick up our toys.

CP I force broke many dogs using the ear pinch and also an e-collar on an exceptionally tough dog. This was the older Tri-Tronics collar where the safety program was the finger on the button.

[Curbside Prophet]

Along the lines of what SDO said, Much of dominance theory is a myth, and I especially find it amusing when those who believe in it become lycanthropic.

Originally Posted by wvasko

CP I force broke many dogs using the ear pinch and also an e-collar on an exceptionally tough dog.

Makes sense now, whether by ear or toe the principle is the same, and I guess the body part chosen doesn't really matter.