[blunder]

Originally Posted by kellytoonces@aol.com

color does have an effect on things in dogs ,there is a reason the majority of National finalist are black dogs,there are an equal number of males and females but 90 percent of them are black lots and lots of black bitches have won nationals no yellow or chocolate females have few ever qualifyand there are lots of yellow FC/AFC dogs standing ar stud and God knows Rascal was bred to death so and the problem with genetic is not recessive genes that is the easiest to breed around and many of those have genetic tests for its polygenic traits that hard hard to predicy and eliminate and autosomal dominant traits cause a lot of problems i.e. Rd in Labradors

Not true, that is mostly just a numbers game. For every chocolate there are ten+ blacks.
As for yellow bitches never winning a national,,,,, a-er what color was "Ginger"?? NFC YANKEE INDEPENDENCE? Did you know that Ginger is the mother of two national champions out of her only litter, and is now the grandmother of more national champions than any bitch in history?

Now what color is "Chip" also a national champion? Rascal isn't even close to being the only quality chocolate out there. Charley Tysons chocolate dog "Cuda" was ten times the dog "Rascal was.

Sorry, but I have been to way to many field trials & hunt tests, and have seen way to many of these dogs in person to buy into that old wives tail.
I live on the old Utah field trial grounds (before LeeKay center) SLRC & NURC held a lot of trials on my property.

[jbray01]

this thread is ridiculous!!! haha

you cant just say to a first time owner get one of these theyre good for a first time... you have to take into account the person's lifestyle, living situation, if they have kids etc.

and i think each dog is different. yes bredds do have certain qualitites that are uniform, but to say that color determines temperament. i have a chocolate lab and she is not more aggressive than other labs...

shes just browner.reading through this thread made me laugh and made my head want to explode all at the same time...oops. sorry i meant "ecksplowed"

[kellytoonces]

Originally Posted by blunder

Not true, that is mostly just a numbers game. For every chocolate there are ten+ blacks.
As for yellow bitches never winning a national,,,,, a-er what color was "Ginger"?? NFC YANKEE INDEPENDENCE? Did you know that Ginger is the mother of two national champions out of her only litter, and is now the grandmother of more national champions than any bitch in history?

Now what color is "Chip" also a national champion? Rascal isn't even close to being the only quality chocolate out there. Charley Tysons chocolate dog "Cuda" was ten times the dog "Rascal was.

Sorry, but I have been to way to many field trials & hunt tests, and have seen way to many of these dogs in person to buy into that old wives tail.
I live on the old Utah field trial grounds (before LeeKay center) SLRC & NURC held a lot of trials on my property.

okay so I forget about that one but when was the last time a yellow bitch even qualified for or finished a National?? total up the number of dogs whi have qualified for the last decade and tell me that equates to the number born and Chip won in Canada not here when was the last time you looked in the trail news its donimated by yellow studs plenty of FC dogs are choc factored also and the last two TWM award winners were yellow factored the fact remains the number of black dogs who qualify for the National is disporportionate and to say color has nothing to do with anything in dogs is wrong a lot of white dogs are deaf and breeding certain colors together in animals can result in a lethal gene

[wvasko]

Originally Posted by bigdawgs

My main concern, iamcool1109, is that the advice you give is not only often poor, but patently not true. We hired a new vet the beginning of the month, freshly graduated, and I have seen first hand how difficult it is for a new vet. All the more reason to be extremely careful about the sweeping generalizations you tend to make about breeds. if you really are a vet, I sure hope you do not do this in your practice. If you have only been at this only a year, you do not have the experience to make these kinds of generalizations with any accuracy.

I have said this a few times and it is my opinion and practise. I will never operate on a dog/cat etc. I will not try to x-ray a dog, I will not attempt to splint a broken leg, a good competent Vet does this type of work on a regular basis. This is why they went to school etc. But it does irk me when a client tells me what his Vet advised him/her to do with their dog's behavioural problems. The Vet giving the info may have seen the dog 15 minutes a year when he gives the yearly shots etc. and actually knows absolutely nothing about the dog's problems. Through the years as a trainer I have heard some of the silliest things come out of some Vets. I actually read some stuff on this thread that enforces my opinion. I get asked all the time about which is the best breed to purchase. I have one answer pick something that is pleasing to your eyes and then work the h*ll out of it. There is absolutely no guarantee or warranty that any breed out there is going to give you the dog you want and yearn for. Each breed of dog has brilliant dogs and dogs not brilliant and all the variables in between. This is my opinion as a dog trainer with 90 breeds and waiting for 91 trained. It's the dog world the way I see it and not meant to offend anybody's sensibilities.

Originally Posted by blunder

Not true, that is mostly just a numbers game. For every chocolate there are ten+ blacks.
As for yellow bitches never winning a national,,,,, a-er what color was "Ginger"?? NFC YANKEE INDEPENDENCE? Did you know that Ginger is the mother of two national champions out of her only litter, and is now the grandmother of more national champions than any bitch in history?

Now what color is "Chip" also a national champion? Rascal isn't even close to being the only quality chocolate out there. Charley Tysons chocolate dog "Cuda" was ten times the dog "Rascal was.

Sorry, but I have been to way to many field trials & hunt tests, and have seen way to many of these dogs in person to buy into that old wives tail.
I live on the old Utah field trial grounds (before LeeKay center) SLRC & NURC held a lot of trials on my property.

Blunder
Great post, makes a lot of sense. It is a number's game. What a rascal you are bringing logic to a thread. It's very hard to beat experience and actually seeing the trials etc.

[Dog Lover !]

I agree with the first two...You really can't go too wrong with Labs or Golden Retrievers.

You must make sure that they have room to play and run though OR that they get excercised daily, very vigorously, or they may become stressed out and start exhibiting bad behaviour.



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[Abbymarie]

Okay yes I feel dogs should be picked due to your lifestyle but if you have a dog you really really want, and the dogs that fit your lifestyle don't appeal to you why not get it and make it work


but I feel you can't go wrong with a poodle.

[wvasko]

Originally Posted by Abbymarie

Okay yes I feel dogs should be picked due to your lifestyle but if you have a dog you really really want, and the dogs that fit your lifestyle don't appeal to you why not get it and make it work


but I feel you can't go wrong with a poodle.

Oh! Oh!
That sounds like a poodle commercial

[Elana55]

I have been lurking on this thread and the first really GOOD dog we ever had as a family was a Standard Poodle. The ONLY drawback of that dog was the need, once a month, to bathe and clip the dog. We cut his hair short,.. very short on his snout and his feet, slightly longer on his body and ear with a slight "pom" on his head and the end of his docked tail.

He was a WONDERFUL dog for us kids and the whole family.

My next best dogs (not the German Shpherds I have loved) were two mixed dogs. Sheba was a lab mix rescue who was the most loyal dog I ever had.. it is true she knew I saved her and I really loved her. That dog would lay her life down on the line for me and I knew it.

The other was Rass who was a Golden/Black labX. Rass looked like a Gordon Setter.. which is a beautiful dog.. but she had the Golden attitude with some lab mixed in, but she was not a easy weight gainer so was a good dog.

The GSD's I have had I would not recommend for first dogs. They need a job and are very happy if you can be precise and show them how to be precise. They need training, socializing and a lot of exercise (but so do Poodles). Mostly the thing is they need a JOB.

Pretty much what WV says.. find a dog that fits with you and go from there. Honestly, my experience has been the dog has found me. BTW I saw a Pit the other day that I might have liked having and I really don't like the LOOK of the breed (pure vanity, as they seem sweet and trainable dogs). But, for whatever reason, this dog (mostly white) had "the look."

[rosemaryninja]

Originally Posted by Dog Lover !

I agree with the first two...You really can't go too wrong with Labs or Golden Retrievers.

You must make sure that they have room to play and run though OR that they get excercised daily, very vigorously, or they may become stressed out and start exhibiting bad behaviour.

You can go very wrong with Labs and Goldens. It's easy as pie to get a poorly bred pup of these breeds, and that will land you with all kinds of temperament problems, not to mention hip problems by the time the dog's barely halfway through its life.

Plus, even from reputable breeders, too many people have misconceived that these breeds come as ready-made perfect dogs... they expect their Goldens to get along great with their kids regardless; they think the dog's going to come obedience trained and ready to just lie calmly on the living room rug, play frisbee, be the quintessential "family dog." My shelter gets tons of 1-2 y/o Goldens and Labs because that's when owners start realising that they're just as much work as every other dog their size.

[wvasko]

Originally Posted by rosemaryninja

You can go very wrong with Labs and Goldens. It's easy as pie to get a poorly bred pup of these breeds, and that will land you with all kinds of temperament problems, not to mention hip problems by the time the dog's barely halfway through its life.

Plus, even from reputable breeders, too many people have misconceived that these breeds come as ready-made perfect dogs... they expect their Goldens to get along great with their kids regardless; they think the dog's going to come obedience trained and ready to just lie calmly on the living room rug, play frisbee, be the quintessential "family dog." My shelter gets tons of 1-2 y/o Goldens and Labs because that's when owners start realising that they're just as much work as every other dog their size.

Melissa
Plus, even from reputable breeders, too many people have misconceived that these breeds come as ready-made perfect dogs... they expect their Goldens to get along great with their kids regardless; they think the dog's going to come obedience trained and ready to just lie calmly on the living room rug, play frisbee, be the quintessential "family dog." My shelter gets tons of 1-2 y/o Goldens and Labs because that's when owners start realising that they're just as much work as every other dog their size.

That is one of the big problems and I hear it from many Lab owners as I have trained bunches. They are so surprised as they explain the wild, energy type problems. I have one answer "they built a dog to break 100 yards of ice to fetch a duck and they are not being used for that" the energy does not magically disappear

elana
You have answered the OP's question because good dogs are everywhere, the fun is in the hunting.