My new Pyr's are not killing

TearahBey77 · 07-24-2007, 09:14 AM

Oh no, I understand completely. It is just a odd thought to let me dogs dig into a dead coyote, thats all, lol. :0)

tracknut · 07-24-2007, 10:24 AM

I must says it's fascinating to hear this discussion, and I'm quite surprised to see it on a message forum in 2007. There's a great book called Canines & Coyotes, by Leon Almirall that talks about hunting coyotes with dogs. It's not going to help this particular scenario, but is a great read from about 50-60 years ago for those interested. Not particularly right for the squeamish.

Good luck with your dogs!

Dave

sobreeze · 07-24-2007, 12:37 PM

I had 2 Prys untill early this summer lost my youngest . I am still upset about this both of mine are used as live stock protection on my farm the older one is five years old the one I lost was a little over a year old . She was very protective early on but both did a great job of protection. I just think the chase and playing is part of it my older girl did not get good at her job till she was almost 2 the one I lost was real good before she turned 1 so it is each dog is different. I will get a younger one again but want to wait a bit first good luck with your pups .

ronsetoe · 07-24-2007, 05:42 PM

Tracknut,
You should not be suprised to see this discussion in the year 2007. There are a lot of "us" that still use dogs for work. I also have dogs that I strictly use for hunting, mainly retreiving, some of my friends also have scent dogs for various hunting. Dogs are still used by many for what they were bred to do and not just as pets--I still have my pets though!

It is very hard to find information on the net when searched about working dogs because most search engines will either list the most hit site, or the pay/per view sites-paid by that site. It would be refreshing to see one of the larger sites have a "working class" forum where problems can be discussed. It would not have to be breed specific, but only working dogs. If there was a problem with a flock protector, or a hunting dog was gun shy, Newfie not swimming, GR not retreiving...etc I am sure there a lot of us urban farmers that could chime in and give advice, as there is not a main place where we can turn, other than old wives tales!----I was told to feed a coyote to my dog's by another old farmer??

If a board stepped up and added a forum it would help a lot of people that are looking for answers about their problems, and not just the "rover peed on my floor" ?

sobreeze,
I am very sorry to hear about your loss! My male is a little more aggressive towards the coyotes but I will still give them some more time. The Alpha seems to be OK from the last bout and small critters are bountiful for the coyotes to eat. I hope they come around by Oct!

How did you lose yours? Did a pack get it?
TIA for the replies

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Originally Posted by TearahBey77

Oh no, I understand completely. It is just a odd thought to let me dogs dig into a dead coyote, thats all, lol. :0)

They do not eat them they only kill them. I am not sure if that is what you meant or not?

RonE · 07-24-2007, 05:55 PM

There is no question that most dog forums, and certainly this one, are geared toward dogs as pets. I'm not sure a working dog subforum would be helpful since there are so many different jobs that working dogs do, and livestock protection is a pretty specialized one.

I'm happy to hear about working dogs and you're likely to find a few folks with direct or second-hand experience even here.

One of our members created quite a stir here a while back by posting photos of boar-hunting dogs. I think it's good for all of us to be reminded that dogs where not always primarily family pets.

tracknut · 07-24-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ronsetoe

Tracknut,
You should not be suprised to see this discussion in the year 2007.
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It is very hard to find information on the net when searched about working dogs because most search engines will either list the most hit site, or the pay/per view sites-paid by that site.

We're just operating under different definitions of "surprised". I meant "surprised" in the sense that I travel around the net a fair bit and have *never* seen a discussion of guarding & coyote hunting from someone out doing it today. That's what surprised me. I wasn't questioning whether it existed or not.

BTW I hunt with my dogs too, but the online/permanent discussion has vanished largely due to AR fanatics.

Dave

ronsetoe · 07-26-2007, 07:06 PM

Thanks every one for the replies. As an update the dogs are going to a local farm about 150 miles away where they will watch goats in an acre inclosed, secure, chain link fence. They should not feel too far out of place as the proctect mode will still be on, but nothing can get in to harm them or the goats. If something digs through then they will have time to respond and the new home does not have a problem with coyotes, just racoons/possums, eating the food-which they will do great at!!
I am suppose to be getting three, 2-3 year old Pyr's from a farmer in IA, that are field tested. He is moving to FL and posted a sign in one of our local FS that he was selling his dogs.
There are two females and a younger male. I might move the old man up to the barn to insure there are no problems with the new younger male.

I still think a working dog forum would be a good idea-as most breeds do a specific task. I would not look at it as breed specific because most do the same thing, in a different way. We "working dog people" also do not have many places to turn. It might not be the most active forum on the site but it would put the website in front of the other forum sites and you would get a different type of dog owner. You might also attract a different type of sponser. JMHO

TIA and I will keep everyone informed of the outcome!

Shalva · 07-27-2007, 11:38 AM

personally I think its great when people are working their dogs and doing what the dog was intended to do.....

there is no time that my dogs are happier than when they are out hunting in the field.... and in breeding my current litter it was important to me to maintain that working ability..... the two above pictures are of shalva....

the picture below is her son Meir at who you can clearly see at 8 weeks of age.... loves his wing....

ronsetoe · 07-27-2007, 05:35 PM

Great looking pack there!! How are your Goldens with the hunting? I have always wanted a Flat Coat Retriever-and yours are great looking dogs!
Got the little one going early on the hunt-good for you!
Are you going to start gun training at 3 or 4 months? I started my Golden at 6 months because of work and I feel it was a bit too late, but he is fine now

That is also very interesting about the vaccinations with Cuinn. I am also of the belief that pet owners over vaccinate their pups. Does it hinder him in the field? Again-GREAT looking pack you have there!

Shalva · 07-27-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ronsetoe

Great looking pack there!! How are your Goldens with the hunting? I have always wanted a Flat Coat Retriever-and yours are great looking dogs!
Got the little one going early on the hunt-good for you!
Are you going to start gun training at 3 or 4 months? I started my Golden at 6 months because of work and I feel it was a bit too late, but he is fine now

That is also very interesting about the vaccinations with Cuinn. I am also of the belief that pet owners over vaccinate their pups. Does it hinder him in the field? Again-GREAT looking pack you have there!

our english type golden is pretty good, not as driven as the flat coats are american type golden is a wash... he won't pick up the bird.... but he is a show dog and was bred to be a show dog.... the things you learn huh.... we really do more work with the flat coats at this point and Meir was bred for working ability... beauty also but I wouldn't use a dog that couldn't hunt and work... he comes from a line of danish gamekeepers dogs.... so right now its mostly Shalva and Meir... the puppy.... Cuinn we don't work at all.... I don't know about his ability at this point.... I think he likes the birds but he is so drugged most of the time that we can't do much... he stumbles and falls alot... and he doesn't handle any temperature changes so he gets overheated pretty quick.... he has become more of a bookend.... a cute bookend but none the less a bookend.....

I think its a shame ... the breed splits..... show dogs vs. working dogs and in my mind a show dog should be able to work and a working dog should be structurally sound and be able to show... and with the flat coats we are lucky to have been able to maintain that.....

so far.....

s

ronsetoe · 07-27-2007, 10:17 PM

Again-beautiful pack! Show or not.

There should be a forum on one of the big sites for "working dogs" IMHO

A lot of people could chime in-more than expected, I would presume!

sobreeze · 07-27-2007, 11:28 PM

lost my youngest to the road she got out at night and was killed my fault she was trying to do her job may have heard preadators thats why she might have went to road she was going to be great at her job miss her alot

ronsetoe · 07-30-2007, 06:12 PM

sobreeze,
Great looking dog!! I just love their all black noses against the white fur! She was a beautiful dog.

I picked up the new ones today and got the pups to the goat farm yesterday. The new owner and pups where getting along very well.

I have the new dogs socializing with the old man and the sheep-and so far no problems!!!!!! Which is a relief

I will still retire the old man to the barn area after a few weeks, as his joints are starting to wear, but he can live out his silver years in glory chasing mice!

Those evil mice might try and eat me--so he thinks??

I will keep in touch as to the progress of the new dogs.
Thanks everyone!

ronsetoe · 08-17-2007, 06:06 PM

the old man is up in the barn area this week and is a little sad that he cant be with the sheep. He is getting a lot more food and love though! The tom cat better watch out though-but he is pretty sly!
He was really wound up the first part of the week being in the barn area and looking over the pasture. He has since settled down and is enjoying the old floks home.
The new ones are doing their job and we have had no losses. It is not peak season for the coys but I feel confident. Thanks all

Curbside Prophet · 08-17-2007, 06:59 PM

We'd love to see pics of your working dogs. Action pics I think would be a joy for many. So if you ever have a hand free and think of us, we'd love to see some pics.